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No, this is not a joke/trolling thread. We don't need more filler posts asking if it is.

Remember to spoiler season 6 content, and clearly label your spoilers.
Soulreaver
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany13 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-11 01:53:40
November 11 2012 01:43 GMT
#13221
Im just gonna post my own review of this season opener
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So far I've heard mixed opinions about this episode,but more of them leaning towards the negative.

So personally, I actually thought it was a really good opener. If you are reading this you have probably seen the episodes allready so I wont go into detail what happened, so lets just jump in to some of the negative opinions I have heard thus far:

First off,the most often named problem of the bad villain. Now I do have to admkit myself, that King Sombra had no backstory,he was kinda just there and then he was gone without even saying anything important, and I do admit he is probably the worst villain so far. BUT allow me to ellaborate a bit on his character and think about it for a second. When King Sombra is compared to chrysalis/NMM/Discord you should immediatly notice something: he is very DIFFERENT in his role and behaviour than the other three villains and should therefore be looked at from a different perspective.

The other three villains were pretty cocky and talked a lot about their motives/plans, they were playing with the mane cast, and were all around pretty engaged into the episodes therefore. King Sombra however, does not fulfill any of these aspects. Instead he is incredibly direct about his goal and doesnt stop a single second to work to achieve it,not being stopped by anything in his path.

Therefore he doesnt waste time talking or trying to use direct mindtricks like the other three villains to stop the ponies. Sure Twilight stumbles upon the Door of Fears, but that wasnt a direct attack that King Sombra planned, it was merely a coincidence that Twilight found and fell for it. Additionally,he doesnt even HAVE ANYONE TO TALK TO, how is gonna have a personality and text, if he has no one to talk to like the other villains had? Once again,this is due to his different nature. This is also why on the show his appearance seems very lackluster and he hardly does anything to portrait his backstory or motives, nor does anyone else do that, which kinda leaves him as a blank character.

This is why we need to go one step further and start analyzing to interpret his character, which means we also have to make assumptions. I hope you have no problem with some interpretation and assumptions, but it actually works out really nicely. As mentioned before,King Sombra is a very different type of villain, I had a conversation with Camail, talking about how powerful he actually is compared to the other villains. But one thing is for sure: No pony can withstand his power, he was able to overthrow an entire empire in a day and he can seal unicorn's magic,aswell as summon and control dark crystals by will. He is also elusive and seems untouchable, making him this impending sense of doom that would befall the crystal ponies if the mane6 (and spike ofc) were to fail. This is exactly his role. His role is to make sure the opener has that lose condition, the ill fate, the murderous, unstoppable force that would consume the crystal empire and maybe even equestria afterwards. And this role he fulfills absolutely PERFECTLY.

Of course a lot more could have been done with him, like explaining his backstory, his motives, reasons, or why he even got that powerful. One thing I deducted for example,is that his appearance as a unicorn is very different from the crystal ponies and he must therefore not have been a crystal pony, but rather an outsider that stumbled upon the empire. But back to the opener. We know how powerful King Somber is,and combined with his characteristics, the opposite of the other three villains Chrysalis/NMM/Discord, makes it almost impossible for him to do any sort of character building HIMSELF, which means other characters would HAVE to have done it for him.

Allow me to explain: He has a clear goal: enslave the crystal ponies once again and make sure they cant use the crystal heart to stop him, he also has more than enough power to reach this goal, he is incredibly powerful and untouchable in his smoke form at the same time, he is also incredibly direct and wants nothing more than to reach this goal as quick as possible. This makes him incredibly focused and fixated on his goal and he does everything imaginable in his power to reach it, meaning he won't stop or even waste time talking for one single second. Of course this is all something I came up with, looking at the episode and the evidence I found in that episode by looking at his behaviour. Which is also once again, something very different than the other three villains that did all the characterbuilding themselves and hardly needed any sort of interpretation to be made by the viewer.

All in all, its very important you actually think about King Sombra for a bit, and dont just put a "SUCKS" stamp on his head and just move on. He is a very different type of villain that is defined not by his character, but by his power and goals, and should therefore be treated as such and not be treated like he was supposed to be another Chrysalis or Nightmare Moon. But as I mentioned in the beginning of this, I still think hes the worst villain so far.




Apart from the aspect of the "bad villain" I heard people saying it was an all around not that great of an episode, with a lot of stuff "just happening", I have to disagree once again. Given the time they had,which is ALWAYS something to take into consideration when talking about the episode and its plot (hehe plot) in general is how much they can fit into the time they have. And I personally think they have used their time very very nicely. If you look away from the villain and look at all the other aspects of the episode, you will see its a coherent and understandable plot that makes sense in itself.

Nothing happens for no reason, even though I read that someone else here said Episode two would have something like random pointless explosions, which I have to admit is in itself a pretty weird accusation. First off I didnt exactly notice that there would in fact be way too many random pointless explosions, and you have to admit, there is a giant incredibly powerful and untoucable monster of smoke rushing towards the empire after the shield has failed and the dark magic of King Sombra corrupts the empire and summons manifestations of his dark energies in form of crystals. This was probably the most apocalyptic scenery and atmosphere we ever had in the entirety of My Little Pony, even moreso than the changeling invasion or the endless night.

And I personally think that the amount of stuff going on onscreen at any given time after the shield fails is definitely NOT too much, too random, or too pointless. We should rather be happy that My Little Pony is shaping up more and more to be the awesome adventure that everyone loves to see, kids and adults. I mean after the S2 ending we could say "In MLP an insectoid race of shapeshifting ponies invade the capital of the land, start to destroy it and even knock out and imprison the leader after a Harry Potter like magic duel".

But now we can say "In MLP the main character has to find an artifact to save an entire empire from impeding doom that is knocking at their door and is allready starting to corrupt the entire and the shield protecting it would fail any minute, so she goes off with her dragon friend to find the artifact and mimics the dark magic of the evil villain himself to unveil a hidden path, overcomes a Door that leads to your worst fear, changes the gravity of herself and her dragon to fly up a ginormous flight of stairs, finds the artifact, but the artifact is actually trapped, but before she gets completely entrapped she throws the artifact out to the dragon,who then is forced by her to abandon her and deliver the artifact himself,by jumping off the tower and running down a slope of forming black crystals that are rapidly corruption and overgrowing the empire,as the barrier fails and the evil villain rushes to steal the artifact and then the guy and the girl who was holding up that barrier, team up and the guy throws the girl like a missile and she intercepts the dragon in front of the villain and they use the artifact to utterly shatter the villain and transform everyone into a crystalline form of themselves, while this has all been a test for the main protagonist to make sure if she is actually powerful enough to fulfil the destiny the two demigods of the land have in store for her" (this was probably my longest sentence I have ever wrote).

Combine this plot of epic proportions with the incredibly awesome lead up to it with all of the mane6 being incredibly in their role,delivering one joke and funny scene after another, and you know why I think THIS OPENER, is actually a BETTER opener, than the S1 opener. In my opinion this opener might not be in the godlike tiers of brony zealotry, but damn its still an awesome as hell episode.

If you have any questions or points you want to mention, be sure to reply, and thank you for taking your time to read my review.
ZealotKiller
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada161 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-11 01:48:16
November 11 2012 01:47 GMT
#13222
On November 11 2012 10:34 13era wrote:
(Cannot embed images, so have a link instead:
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/160/5/6/balloon_shy_by_13era-d52vz9v.png )

Hello folks!

As you probably have guessed, im part of the herd - though not a part of this particular one yet. I was actually introduced to the show by another community (which i wont name here for politeness sake), however after a while the said community slowly degraded and some time ago i decided to leave it all together.

If one thing can be said about the MLP fandom however its that its community is as big a part of the fandom as the show itself is... So when my friend told me about you folks here, i thought i'd come in and say hi.

Who knows, maybe ill find another great place to hang out at!


A bit about me - im a brit (although with russian origins), im 24, and i would praise cats as our overlords if that place wasnt already occupied by a certain pink party pony.
MLP showed me that i really enjoy drawing, and that is how my whole drawing practice actually started, to the point of me trying to take it more seriously. I am still miles behind what i want to be, but oh well, one day...

If you are curious you can find some of my stuff at my DA (same as my username), but i''ve somewhat slowed with uploads lately due to uni and general feel of laziness.

Anyways, im quite looking forward to seeing what you lot turn out like, and hopefully ill get another permanent bookmark in my browser to check, along with EQD and my mail.

So uhm...
Hi.

(Yes, my imagination is lacking, i cant come up with anything better than "hi").


Also, i loved the newest episode. No spoilers, but i thought it was quite a great start to the new season.


Hey there, welcome to tlponies!

Most of us hang out on the IRC and we are always at least 20 in there with whom you can chat to about ponies or whatever (usually we talk about whatever). So head on webchat.quakenet.org and enter channel #tlponies to join us! Don't feel pressured to come though, this thread has plenty of content, but a big part of the community aspect is the IRC
I just like liking things.
Phant
Profile Joined August 2010
United States737 Posts
November 11 2012 01:47 GMT
#13223
On November 11 2012 10:34 13era wrote:
(Cannot embed images, so have a link instead:
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/160/5/6/balloon_shy_by_13era-d52vz9v.png )

Hello folks!

As you probably have guessed, im part of the herd - though not a part of this particular one yet. I was actually introduced to the show by another community (which i wont name here for politeness sake), however after a while the said community slowly degraded and some time ago i decided to leave it all together.

If one thing can be said about the MLP fandom however its that its community is as big a part of the fandom as the show itself is... So when my friend told me about you folks here, i thought i'd come in and say hi.

Who knows, maybe ill find another great place to hang out at!


A bit about me - im a brit (although with russian origins), im 24, and i would praise cats as our overlords if that place wasnt already occupied by a certain pink party pony.
MLP showed me that i really enjoy drawing, and that is how my whole drawing practice actually started, to the point of me trying to take it more seriously. I am still miles behind what i want to be, but oh well, one day...

If you are curious you can find some of my stuff at my DA (same as my username), but i''ve somewhat slowed with uploads lately due to uni and general feel of laziness.

Anyways, im quite looking forward to seeing what you lot turn out like, and hopefully ill get another permanent bookmark in my browser to check, along with EQD and my mail.

So uhm...
Hi.

(Yes, my imagination is lacking, i cant come up with anything better than "hi").


Also, i loved the newest episode. No spoilers, but i thought it was quite a great start to the new season.


You should hop in IRC and see what everyone is like before you bookmark anything =P
13era
Profile Joined November 2012
United Kingdom7 Posts
November 11 2012 01:54 GMT
#13224
@Soulreaver:
Wont quote (due to size), but here's my thoughts:

S1 opener sucked. In fact, i consider S1 opener to be the weakest part of the whole S1, and a reason for many people who decide to "try" it to not try anymore. First part is actually quite decent, second part, however, is extremely cheesy and easily identifiable as a "children's show", which is, to be fair, what it was supposed to be. So i will completely agree that S3 opener is much better than s1.

Discord is too powerful a character to discard right away, so i would say S2 opener was better. However S3 opener was simply different.

+ Show Spoiler +
It gave off a feel of being a mix between a powerful season finale, and a new story arc intruduction. I think black king played his role perfectly - i agree with the points you make - and there was just enough of both seriousness and playing around to keep the episode entertaining for me. You have to notice, however, that they took a somewhat different approach compared to s1/s2 - the show seems more "mature", a bit more serious now, and the last tingest of the "little girly sparkles" seem to be gone. It is still a show aimed at younger audience, however it also expands more, becoming even better. Now its hard to judge until we see the rest of episodes, but so far i can say that i consider it to be a very powerful season opener and cant wait for the rest.



A thing of note, by the way:
+ Show Spoiler +
Has anyone else noticed at the beginning, when Luna is talking with Celestia, and Celly mentions that this task will be a test to see if twilight is "ready" for something... Major plotline incoming? Or just a weird phrasing? I do foresee a lot more of the "Twilight is made into alicorn" fanfics coming, to be fair
Vivere in somniis
Wikt
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Poland226 Posts
November 11 2012 01:54 GMT
#13225
Finished watching the season premiere.

+ Show Spoiler +
The songs were OK but a little underwhelming compared to S2 start.

The story, however, and its execution - great! and I'm excited for the new direction S3 is taking. Shit's gettin' real.


Also my new PC is up and running! Streams will be possible =D
Rest your copper eyes on heavens low. Let the radio waves carry you home.
13era
Profile Joined November 2012
United Kingdom7 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-11 02:05:29
November 11 2012 01:59 GMT
#13226
@IRC:

Any clues on how to make it work? My client asks me for hostname (i put in webchat.quakenet.org), port (no idea, default is 6667), pass (i left empty), nickname/username/realname (i used 13era), and i added the #tlponies channel there, but it doesnt seem to connect.

Edit: i know you can do it directly from the webpage, but im trying to connect remotely
Vivere in somniis
happyft
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States470 Posts
November 11 2012 02:12 GMT
#13227
Songs are okay, I feel like the animation is getting better and better, overall I liked it a lot. Twilight actually growing on me, I never really liked her much -- but pinkie pie is still the best!!
13era
Profile Joined November 2012
United Kingdom7 Posts
November 11 2012 02:34 GMT
#13228
On November 11 2012 11:12 happyft wrote:
Songs are okay, I feel like the animation is getting better and better, overall I liked it a lot. Twilight actually growing on me, I never really liked her much -- but pinkie pie is still the best!!




I noticed in the S2 ending they changed the shading style from vector to soft cell, which i personally am not a huge fan of. They stayed with it in s3 start, but modified it a bit. Im curious to see how they will go
Vivere in somniis
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-11 02:44:18
November 11 2012 02:43 GMT
#13229
+ Show Spoiler [Season Premiere related] +
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nohbrows
Profile Joined February 2011
United States653 Posts
November 11 2012 04:54 GMT
#13230
On November 11 2012 10:59 13era wrote:
@IRC:

Any clues on how to make it work? My client asks me for hostname (i put in webchat.quakenet.org), port (no idea, default is 6667), pass (i left empty), nickname/username/realname (i used 13era), and i added the #tlponies channel there, but it doesnt seem to connect.

Edit: i know you can do it directly from the webpage, but im trying to connect remotely


Dunno if you have resolved it already or not, but if you havent:
Hostname is irc.quakenet.org
it;s not webchat when you are connecting through the webclient.
Seizon Senryaku!
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
November 11 2012 04:55 GMT
#13231
Rofl raelcun. I love captioned pictures, I save like every one I see . Thanks.
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Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
November 11 2012 09:47 GMT
#13232
+ Show Spoiler +
You cynics you. The season opener was great. Remember this is a show targeted at 5 year old girls. Why go break down the episode so much that you are dissatisfied with it? Relax and enjoy it.
☺
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
November 11 2012 09:48 GMT
#13233
I think I might stop reading this thread. Some of you are way too serious and hypercritical.
☺
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
November 11 2012 14:17 GMT
#13234
So, I watched the opener.

I wasn't prepared.

It was beautiful.
That's all.
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 11 2012 14:45 GMT
#13235
Best season openers yet. Not the a top ten ep but a strong start :D
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Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-11 15:13:02
November 11 2012 15:06 GMT
#13236
Allegedly one of the writer of MLP told fans she would like to give a more "Lord of the rings" direction to MLP. I faintly remember hearing of that a few months ago, I could be wrong though.
+ Show Spoiler +
And this season opener seems to fit this more lotr-like description.
King somber is akin to sauron. Sauron had also few lines and wasn´t really shown to do anything, but was a force that had to be stopped.
The crystal heart would be the "one ring".
At the end king sombras horn was shown to be blown away.


Luna´s black book with stars at the end, taking twilights studies to the next stage(maybe under luna, who knows), twilight and celestia using dark magic(celestia as demonstration, twilight against the fear door) and maybe even some king sombra stuff are just asking to be picked up in future episodes.
At least that´s one speculation I very like.
Also this would mean more luna.


I agree though I didn´t like the songs as much though. The + Show Spoiler +
fair making song
especially reminded me a bit of the infamous "prepare a party" party thing from G3(watch at your own risk).
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Zoundsforsook
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Scotland636 Posts
November 11 2012 15:27 GMT
#13237
I really liked the songs actually.
+ Show Spoiler +
especially at the end of the 2nd episode when all the ponies were singing. I also loved Spikes dancing during the first version of the "failure song" or whatever its proper name is


This made me smile
Paint it bright and bold.
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-11 17:44:52
November 11 2012 17:44 GMT
#13238
The second song was amazing (the fair), reminiscent of the ending to season 2. I think the issue is that the last episode of season 2 was so great that its hard to top it, so anything new feels like a let down. But comparing it to MLP episodes in general, it was still a pretty good episode. So many other cases (games, movies) where sequels were made, or new series started, it fails because its hard to live up to that expectation, and writers have a hard time trying to capture the same magic. I'm glad MLP is still pretty enjoyable to watch
13era
Profile Joined November 2012
United Kingdom7 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-11 17:56:16
November 11 2012 17:55 GMT
#13239
@Phearlock: a small list of my favourite fics. Read at your own risk!

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Romance Reports (CLOP warning, SHIPPING tag). Possibly one of the best shipfics out there, even if you dont like clop. Its worth the read, it really is.

Family Mares - a really good Dashfire

Pillow Thoughts

The Incredibly Dense Mind of Rainbow Dash

A Graceful Submission (minor clop references)

The Party Hasn';t Ended

Flying High, Falling Hard

The Baker and The Scholar

Luna vs Threesome (Progress sidestory) - Clop references (no actual clop), but hilarious

I do

Living the present, hoping for the future

Seeking beauty

Vinyl scratch tapes

Beating the Heat

Allegrezza

A Bluebird's song


And the ones below are non-ship

The Super Amazing Rocket Sled of Awesome
The Three Sisters
Near Death Experience
Vengeance and Fashion
Petriculture
The Ship-off
Who we are
Changelings, changelings everywhere
Mirror's Image
Seeing the pattern (and 2nd part)
Wide Open



These are my faves, out of the huge huge huge amount of fics i have read.
Vivere in somniis
Phant
Profile Joined August 2010
United States737 Posts
November 11 2012 18:03 GMT
#13240
As always the art and animation continue to blow me away, I loved the character interaction in this episode (it's come a long way since the season opener!) I am indifferent towards the songs, they weren't bad but it will probably take a while to grow on me. Kind of like the Smile song, initially I didn't like it but now I enjoy it quite a bit. I think it was a strong opener and can't wait to see what they do with all the things they brought up in these episodes.
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