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On October 16 2011 02:47 GMarshal wrote:Some thoughts. + Show Spoiler + I personally thought it was way too over the top, yes it was a fun episode but I feel like the characters are behaving like caricatures, honestly I enjoyed celestia and spike the most in that episode. I don't know it felt like they were trying too hard, but that might just be me. I guess we'll see when episode 4 rolls around in a week. I love the new intro though ^_^
EDIT: Does fluttershy seem a little less yellow and more white to anyone else? I swear that was bothering me every time she appeared.
+ Show Spoiler +yeah twilights crazyness was i bit over the top but it was a very funny episode
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oh and how long do we have to spolier tag things?
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Atrocious episode, what's up with this fetish for insane ponies since Ep26? Really hope the show can get back on track.
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Ahh forgot to watch this new one.
Ponies or MLG? :s
Edit, yeh you're right mate (below poster).
I actually liked this episode, it was pretty funny. some awesome gif material too
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On October 16 2011 05:58 Incognoto wrote:
Ahh forgot to watch this new one.
Ponies or MLG? :s
Duh, MLG then ponies during breaks.
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+ Show Spoiler +It was a good episode, but I don't really like it. It was funny, but it feels out of place in my headcanon. I'm gonna convince myself that most of the insane stuff, (read: Sonic Thermonukebooom, Karateshy, TS Rapefaces, 4th Wall Spike, hell even Smartymac) was in Twilight's head. If taken literally, it is less believable than a crossover fanfic. All the total crazy stuff happened post-Gollum scene, where it is confirmed that Twilight is off the deep end. In my headcanon, I will just think that the stuff is Twilight's exaggeration of what is really going on (Sonic thermonuke = RBD just helping tear the barn down, Karateshy really was just a massage all along, etc.).
This is a character driven show, based on the development of characters. Naturally, characters acting out-of-character is hilarious, but doesn't belong in true canon. Leave Sonic Thermonukeboom and Pedo-Twilight to webcomics.
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On October 16 2011 05:54 rockerman101 wrote:
oh and how long do we have to spolier tag things?
The policy is to always spoiler episode relevant material, even for things that happened in season 1 so that new bronies who haven't yet caught up aren't spoiled.
EDIT: The new fluttershy color scheme is *really* bothering me >.> <.<
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On October 16 2011 06:47 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 05:54 rockerman101 wrote:
oh and how long do we have to spolier tag things? The policy is to always spoiler episode relevant material, even for things that happened in season 1 so that new bronies who haven't yet caught up aren't spoiled. EDIT: The new fluttershy color scheme is *really* bothering me >.> <.<
i hope its a mistake, i am bothered as well!
also, writting with virtual keyboard is HARD. i need new batteries urgently -_-
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I don't think the color scheme is any different. I think what it is, is that the outline is a different color. In season 1, the outline was a much darker color, but in this episode, it seems as if the outline is only a shade lower than her actual hair color. This means less contrast, giving her a different look in terms of color.
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Hehe, just watched the episode (a bit late I know), it was way too awesome for words, I think season 2 is going to be amazing, especially now that a lot of background ponies seems to be established (I hope they'll stick to the same voice actors this time).
Also I was flabbergasted at all the faces Twilight made throughout the episode, the animators went cuh-ray-zy! :p
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That episode was awesome. And I just wanted to hug these loli ponies <3
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On October 16 2011 06:47 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 05:54 rockerman101 wrote:
oh and how long do we have to spolier tag things? The policy is to always spoiler episode relevant material, even for things that happened in season 1 so that new bronies who haven't yet caught up aren't spoiled. EDIT: The new fluttershy color scheme is *really* bothering me >.> <.<
That's ridiculous, every episode is on Youtube. Someone who doesn't want to read about it has no reason to be in the thread.
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On October 16 2011 07:07 Soap wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 06:47 GMarshal wrote:On October 16 2011 05:54 rockerman101 wrote:
oh and how long do we have to spolier tag things? The policy is to always spoiler episode relevant material, even for things that happened in season 1 so that new bronies who haven't yet caught up aren't spoiled. EDIT: The new fluttershy color scheme is *really* bothering me >.> <.< That's ridiculous, every episode is on Youtube. Someone who doesn't want to read about it has no reason to be in the thread.
Not everyone has 5 hours to devote to watching all the episodes at once, its not like spoilering discussion is a huge hassle either, all it takes is two tags, if it *really* bothers you then feel free to not spoiler your comments, I know I'll be spoilering mine ^_^
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On October 16 2011 07:15 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 07:07 Soap wrote:On October 16 2011 06:47 GMarshal wrote:On October 16 2011 05:54 rockerman101 wrote:
oh and how long do we have to spolier tag things? The policy is to always spoiler episode relevant material, even for things that happened in season 1 so that new bronies who haven't yet caught up aren't spoiled. EDIT: The new fluttershy color scheme is *really* bothering me >.> <.< That's ridiculous, every episode is on Youtube. Someone who doesn't want to read about it has no reason to be in the thread. Not everyone has 5 hours to devote to watching all the episodes at once, its not like spoilering discussion is a huge hassle either, all it takes is two tags, if it *really* bothers you then feel free to not spoiler your comments, I know I'll be spoilering mine ^_^
The problem is not to spoiler, but to have to click every single post to read the thread.
Though I agree, do as you see fit.
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I think it's easiest for me to compare this episode to Party of One to explain why I didn't like it.
+ Show Spoiler +Party of One starts out with Pinkie Pie being cute and going far for her friends, gaining audience sympathy. Lesson Zero starts with Twilight being cumbersome in her organization, so the jokes about it are very "laugh-at" jokes. The setup for Party of One is gradual and something the audience can identify with (losing all your friends), whereas Lesson Zero is stark, immediate and the extremity of Twilight's reaction is not as identifiable. Along with the kept information (you don't know that the Mane 6 are throwing Pinkie a party but you do know Celestia won't be harsh on Twilight), this leads to Pinkie Pie keeping audience sympathy while Twilight loses it, a huge deal in a show founded on its sympathetic and cute characters.
Also, in Party of One, Pinkie Pie's reaction is to change herself to accommodate the world when something central to her character turns on its head completely, where in Lesson Zero Twilight's reaction is to change the world to accommodate herself when something incidental to her character has no evidence for existence. Pinkie Pie stays inside and plays imaginary friends, while Twilight acts crazy dangerous around children and starts a fight between the entire town. The lesson of Party of One is to never doubt your friends, where the lesson in this episode is that her friends should have helped Twilight, with "don't make mountains out of molehills" only implicit. There are also more minor things, like the donkey sound when Twilight appears at the picnic and her unkempt hair throughout the episode, but all of this turns into: Party of One is the viewer looking out of Pinkie's eyes; Lesson Zero is the viewer watching Twilight Sparkle mess up.
There were also characterization issues in this episode: the Rarity that says "Can I *help* you with something?" in Art of the Dress is not the same Rarity that whines about missing a ribbon; Twilight's central characteristic is her eagerness to learn about friendship and magic, not her bureaucratic tendencies. Fluttershy cracking a bear's neck is a funny gag, but a cleverer writer can always find a way to have the same humor without sacrificing character. It almost feels like these three (others didn't have a large part) aren't the same ponies we learned to enjoy in previous episodes, which is a huge blunder. I did enjoy Spike and Celestia in this episode though, mostly because they were reasonable, true to characterization and not extreme.
I think about MLP like this: I read science fiction for the cool ideas, fantasy for the world and wonder, other stories for the gory action/drama/cool plot. MLP by genre doesn't have too much of these, so (besides clever wordplay, great art style, jokes for older audiences) it draws heavily on cute characters and audience sympathy for them as appeal. When that premise is subverted by making parts of the Mane 6 un-cute, unsympathetic or changing who they are as characters, the show becomes candy: a treat but unfilling.
I know there were episodes of season 1 that weren't my favorite (Over a Barrel, Feeling Pinkie Keen and whatever the one with the Owl was), but something seems slightly off about these new episodes that I can't help think is connected to the E/I removal and recognizing the new fanbase too much.
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On October 16 2011 07:49 REIGNbow_Dash wrote:I think it's easiest for me to compare this episode to Party of One to explain why I didn't like it. + Show Spoiler +Party of One starts out with Pinkie Pie being cute and going far for her friends, gaining audience sympathy. Lesson Zero starts with Twilight being cumbersome in her organization, so the jokes about it are very "laugh-at" jokes. The setup for Party of One is gradual and something the audience can identify with (losing all your friends), whereas Lesson Zero is stark, immediate and the extremity of Twilight's reaction is not as identifiable. Along with the kept information (you don't know that the Mane 6 are throwing Pinkie a party but you do know Celestia won't be harsh on Twilight), this leads to Pinkie Pie keeping audience sympathy while Twilight loses it, a huge deal in a show founded on its sympathetic and cute characters.
Also, in Party of One, Pinkie Pie's reaction is to change herself to accommodate the world when something central to her character turns on its head completely, where in Lesson Zero Twilight's reaction is to change the world to accommodate herself when something incidental to her character has no evidence for existence. Pinkie Pie stays inside and plays imaginary friends, while Twilight acts crazy dangerous around children and starts a fight between the entire town. The lesson of Party of One is to never doubt your friends, where the lesson in this episode is that her friends should have helped Twilight, with "don't make mountains out of molehills" only implicit. There are also more minor things, like the donkey sound when Twilight appears at the picnic and her unkempt hair throughout the episode, but all of this turns into: Party of One is the viewer looking out of Pinkie's eyes; Lesson Zero is the viewer watching Twilight Sparkle mess up.
There were also characterization issues in this episode: the Rarity that says "Can I *help* you with something?" in Art of the Dress is not the same Rarity that whines about missing a ribbon; Twilight's central characteristic is her eagerness to learn about friendship and magic, not her bureaucratic tendencies. Fluttershy cracking a bear's neck is a funny gag, but a cleverer writer can always find a way to have the same humor without sacrificing character. It almost feels like these three (others didn't have a large part) aren't the same ponies we learned to enjoy in previous episodes, which is a huge blunder. I did enjoy Spike and Celestia in this episode though, mostly because they were reasonable, true to characterization and not extreme.
I think about MLP like this: I read science fiction for the cool ideas, fantasy for the world and wonder, other stories for the gory action/drama/cool plot. MLP by genre doesn't have too much of these, so (besides clever wordplay, great art style, jokes for older audiences) it draws heavily on cute characters and audience sympathy for them as appeal. When that premise is subverted by making parts of the Mane 6 un-cute, unsympathetic or changing who they are as characters, the show becomes candy: a treat but unfilling. I know there were episodes of season 1 that weren't my favorite (Over a Barrel, Feeling Pinkie Keen and whatever the one with the Owl was), but something seems slightly off about these new episodes that I can't help think is connected to the E/I removal and recognizing the new fanbase too much.
OMG I just had to rewatch once I read it and I concur 100%. That is what I call MLP...
+ Show Spoiler +Who is responsible? Step forward, show yourself! 
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On October 16 2011 07:49 REIGNbow_Dash wrote:I think it's easiest for me to compare this episode to Party of One to explain why I didn't like it. + Show Spoiler +Party of One starts out with Pinkie Pie being cute and going far for her friends, gaining audience sympathy. Lesson Zero starts with Twilight being cumbersome in her organization, so the jokes about it are very "laugh-at" jokes. The setup for Party of One is gradual and something the audience can identify with (losing all your friends), whereas Lesson Zero is stark, immediate and the extremity of Twilight's reaction is not as identifiable. Along with the kept information (you don't know that the Mane 6 are throwing Pinkie a party but you do know Celestia won't be harsh on Twilight), this leads to Pinkie Pie keeping audience sympathy while Twilight loses it, a huge deal in a show founded on its sympathetic and cute characters.
Also, in Party of One, Pinkie Pie's reaction is to change herself to accommodate the world when something central to her character turns on its head completely, where in Lesson Zero Twilight's reaction is to change the world to accommodate herself when something incidental to her character has no evidence for existence. Pinkie Pie stays inside and plays imaginary friends, while Twilight acts crazy dangerous around children and starts a fight between the entire town. The lesson of Party of One is to never doubt your friends, where the lesson in this episode is that her friends should have helped Twilight, with "don't make mountains out of molehills" only implicit. There are also more minor things, like the donkey sound when Twilight appears at the picnic and her unkempt hair throughout the episode, but all of this turns into: Party of One is the viewer looking out of Pinkie's eyes; Lesson Zero is the viewer watching Twilight Sparkle mess up.
There were also characterization issues in this episode: the Rarity that says "Can I *help* you with something?" in Art of the Dress is not the same Rarity that whines about missing a ribbon; Twilight's central characteristic is her eagerness to learn about friendship and magic, not her bureaucratic tendencies. Fluttershy cracking a bear's neck is a funny gag, but a cleverer writer can always find a way to have the same humor without sacrificing character. It almost feels like these three (others didn't have a large part) aren't the same ponies we learned to enjoy in previous episodes, which is a huge blunder. I did enjoy Spike and Celestia in this episode though, mostly because they were reasonable, true to characterization and not extreme.
I think about MLP like this: I read science fiction for the cool ideas, fantasy for the world and wonder, other stories for the gory action/drama/cool plot. MLP by genre doesn't have too much of these, so (besides clever wordplay, great art style, jokes for older audiences) it draws heavily on cute characters and audience sympathy for them as appeal. When that premise is subverted by making parts of the Mane 6 un-cute, unsympathetic or changing who they are as characters, the show becomes candy: a treat but unfilling. I know there were episodes of season 1 that weren't my favorite (Over a Barrel, Feeling Pinkie Keen and whatever the one with the Owl was), but something seems slightly off about these new episodes that I can't help think is connected to the E/I removal and recognizing the new fanbase too much.
Spoilering for the sake of it.
+ Show Spoiler +This episode just shows how different the characters are. While Pinkie, who is prone to socialize and create several situations for her friends changes herself when losing her mind, Twilight tries to change the exterior to fit her inner madness. This same effect occurs on S01E10 "Swarm of the Century", where she gets to the point of suggesting rebuilding the ville just for Celestia.
It is also very consistent with her character: She is overly organizational and pragmatic(As seen in 01x09 "Look Before you sleep" and 01x11 "Winter Wrap Up") and seeks for intense approval of her teacher(01x01 "Friendship is Magic Part 01", 01x10 "Swarm of the Century") as well as she easily thinks of the worst situation possible for whatever is going on, when Celestia is involved(01x22 "A Bird in the Hoof").
It is also consistent with Rarity's complex character, which follows not one but two stereotypes: Either generous and friendly or whiny and dramatic(See 01x19 "A Dog and a Pony Show", or 01x21 "Green isn't your color" for a clearer look at her double stereotype. You can also use 01x02 for the first, and 01x01 for the second).
And Fluttershy is not wrong either: although it may look odd, many times nearly breaking a neck is the best way to fix a neck/column pain. I do it all the time, everyone who swam competitively with me did it all the time, Fluttershy as the carer she is knows that as well, and just helped the bear. I mean, I thought it was pretty obvious, in the end is was just a kind of physiotherapy. It just looked odd before, but that scene was perfectly fine.
Nope, this episode was actually perfectly fine. Surely Twilight went over-crazy, but that's the whole point. I bet 02x04 and 02x05 will have much less craziness, seeing how they are Luna and Rarity/Sweetie Belle centered episodes.
Now *channels inner Photo Finish*
I GO
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On October 16 2011 08:44 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 07:49 REIGNbow_Dash wrote:I think it's easiest for me to compare this episode to Party of One to explain why I didn't like it. + Show Spoiler +Party of One starts out with Pinkie Pie being cute and going far for her friends, gaining audience sympathy. Lesson Zero starts with Twilight being cumbersome in her organization, so the jokes about it are very "laugh-at" jokes. The setup for Party of One is gradual and something the audience can identify with (losing all your friends), whereas Lesson Zero is stark, immediate and the extremity of Twilight's reaction is not as identifiable. Along with the kept information (you don't know that the Mane 6 are throwing Pinkie a party but you do know Celestia won't be harsh on Twilight), this leads to Pinkie Pie keeping audience sympathy while Twilight loses it, a huge deal in a show founded on its sympathetic and cute characters.
Also, in Party of One, Pinkie Pie's reaction is to change herself to accommodate the world when something central to her character turns on its head completely, where in Lesson Zero Twilight's reaction is to change the world to accommodate herself when something incidental to her character has no evidence for existence. Pinkie Pie stays inside and plays imaginary friends, while Twilight acts crazy dangerous around children and starts a fight between the entire town. The lesson of Party of One is to never doubt your friends, where the lesson in this episode is that her friends should have helped Twilight, with "don't make mountains out of molehills" only implicit. There are also more minor things, like the donkey sound when Twilight appears at the picnic and her unkempt hair throughout the episode, but all of this turns into: Party of One is the viewer looking out of Pinkie's eyes; Lesson Zero is the viewer watching Twilight Sparkle mess up.
There were also characterization issues in this episode: the Rarity that says "Can I *help* you with something?" in Art of the Dress is not the same Rarity that whines about missing a ribbon; Twilight's central characteristic is her eagerness to learn about friendship and magic, not her bureaucratic tendencies. Fluttershy cracking a bear's neck is a funny gag, but a cleverer writer can always find a way to have the same humor without sacrificing character. It almost feels like these three (others didn't have a large part) aren't the same ponies we learned to enjoy in previous episodes, which is a huge blunder. I did enjoy Spike and Celestia in this episode though, mostly because they were reasonable, true to characterization and not extreme.
I think about MLP like this: I read science fiction for the cool ideas, fantasy for the world and wonder, other stories for the gory action/drama/cool plot. MLP by genre doesn't have too much of these, so (besides clever wordplay, great art style, jokes for older audiences) it draws heavily on cute characters and audience sympathy for them as appeal. When that premise is subverted by making parts of the Mane 6 un-cute, unsympathetic or changing who they are as characters, the show becomes candy: a treat but unfilling. I know there were episodes of season 1 that weren't my favorite (Over a Barrel, Feeling Pinkie Keen and whatever the one with the Owl was), but something seems slightly off about these new episodes that I can't help think is connected to the E/I removal and recognizing the new fanbase too much. Spoilering for the sake of it. + Show Spoiler +This episode just shows how different the characters are. While Pinkie, who is prone to socialize and create several situations for her friends changes herself when losing her mind, Twilight tries to change the exterior to fit her inner madness. This same effect occurs on S01E10 "Swarm of the Century", where she gets to the point of suggesting rebuilding the ville just for Celestia.
It is also very consistent with her character: She is overly organizational and pragmatic(As seen in 01x09 "Look Before you sleep" and 01x11 "Winter Wrap Up") and seeks for intense approval of her teacher(01x01 "Friendship is Magic Part 01", 01x10 "Swarm of the Century") as well as she easily thinks of the worst situation possible for whatever is going on, when Celestia is involved(01x22 "A Bird in the Hoof").
It is also consistent with Rarity's complex character, which follows not one but two stereotypes: Either generous and friendly or whiny and dramatic(See 01x19 "A Dog and a Pony Show", or 01x21 "Green isn't your color" for a clearer look at her double stereotype. You can also use 01x02 for the first, and 01x01 for the second).
And Fluttershy is not wrong either: although it may look odd, many times nearly breaking a neck is the best way to fix a neck/column pain. I do it all the time, everyone who swam competitively with me did it all the time, Fluttershy as the carer she is knows that as well, and just helped the bear. I mean, I thought it was pretty obvious, in the end is was just a kind of physiotherapy. It just looked odd before, but that scene was perfectly fine.
Nope, this episode was actually perfectly fine. Surely Twilight went over-crazy, but that's the whole point. I bet 02x04 and 02x05 will have much less craziness, seeing how they are Luna and Rarity/Sweetie Belle centered episodes. Now *channels inner Photo Finish* I GO
Ver well explained. On top of that, all episodes of Season one and the first of Season two were all produced at the same time, way before any Brony hype. I read that in a Lauren Faust interview iirc and it made me quite happy.
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