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No, this is not a joke/trolling thread. We don't need more filler posts asking if it is.

Remember to spoiler season 6 content, and clearly label your spoilers.
Phant
Profile Joined August 2010
United States737 Posts
October 15 2011 23:52 GMT
#3421
I really enjoyed the episode. But I would wait to see more from this season before saying that this is the new "direction" of the show. I'm sure every season will have a few over the top episodes mixed in with the typical style, I highly doubt the entire season will be as crazy as this episode.
Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
October 15 2011 23:56 GMT
#3422
My feedback on the feedback. Some of this is pretty sweeping statements, not really directed at anypony in particular.

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First off, the notion of "derp too much fanservice" is completely wrong. Remember that they've been working on the season 2 stuff before the fandom exploded, so shit like "hey they made an Epic Cupcake Time reference with Rainbowglasses" (possibly not the best example, but you know what I mean) is wildly inaccurate.

What I really don't get is all the paranoia around the whole "zomg they're going over the top" thing. The season 2 pilot wasn't batshit over the top, even S1E26 wasn't. Yeah, it had its moments, but it was the season closer. This episode was a continuously-ramping episode of pure insanity. The classic humour and expressions used were appropriate, IMO, since a big selling point for the episode is insanity. They won't make every episode like this. Remember, these are the exact same people that created the first season.

One of Lauren's biggest complaints AFAIK was the "e/i" restriction on the episodes, limiting what they could do. With that gone, it gave them the freedom to do cool shit, so now we can see it. I'm sure episodes will bring back that classic charm that made us love MLP so very much. I can see episode 5 being a prime example of this. Remember that although she left the show, she reviewed the scripts for season 2 before fully removing herself from it, so we won't see any true "post-Faust" episodes until 2012.

Love it or hate it, it's a memorable and unique episode. Following the season 2 opener, it really sets the tone for an epic set of episodes. Yeah, there's a metric shit ton of hyperbole, but that's what really makes the episode IMO.

Regarding the whole "too extreme for kids" argument, do you not remember kids movies from our youth? Land Before Time, anyone? There have been some downright sad and scary moments in movies aimed at a similar target age range to MLP. The thing is, super sad/scary shit in content for this age group is perfectly fine AS LONG as it gets resolved somehow. The episode ends on a positive note, just like the rest of MLP (except the very first episodes of seasons, because they're in a 2 parter).

Finally, there are multiple types of MLP episodes. I'm pretty sure we're not going to see half of season 2 be "insanity" episodes. Studio B isn't dumb, they know that episodes like this one are best used sparingly. We'll have some scary episodes, some adventure, some sappy ones, etc.

Besides, all this worrying/speculation won't do shit for us. The season's pretty much finished in production AFAIK, as I'm pretty sure they're beginning work on season 3 right now. These guys are in tune with the fanbase and won't give us true fanservice beyond little things like Derpy in the train in the new opener (which I like, the song is less girly, but almost identical, save for greatly improved audio quality and a few seconds of new animation). All we can do is sit back and enjoy the ride. Worrying about it will only put a damper on the whole experience.
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kunstderfugue
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico375 Posts
October 15 2011 23:57 GMT
#3423
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I'm gonna join the boat of 'it [mostly] isn't canon'. I feel like it makes much more sense that it was Twilight's perception changing around stuff here and there; it almost feels like the entire episode was a dream to me. If anything, i did catch how the developers started acknowledging the brony-centric fanbase way too much. I personally like it because it is a good girl show, with all its cuteness and character driven story. If i wanted to watch crazy people messing up I would watch another show. And Twilight, my favorite pony of them all! This wasn't her! *hides in denial*
Old lamps for new!
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
October 15 2011 23:59 GMT
#3424
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[image loading]


Lol it had to be done.
John Joseco is a boss.
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REIGNbow_Dash
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2 Posts
October 16 2011 00:10 GMT
#3425
On October 16 2011 08:44 Zephirdd wrote:
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On October 16 2011 07:49 REIGNbow_Dash wrote:
I think it's easiest for me to compare this episode to Party of One to explain why I didn't like it.

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Party of One starts out with Pinkie Pie being cute and going far for her friends, gaining audience sympathy. Lesson Zero starts with Twilight being cumbersome in her organization, so the jokes about it are very "laugh-at" jokes. The setup for Party of One is gradual and something the audience can identify with (losing all your friends), whereas Lesson Zero is stark, immediate and the extremity of Twilight's reaction is not as identifiable. Along with the kept information (you don't know that the Mane 6 are throwing Pinkie a party but you do know Celestia won't be harsh on Twilight), this leads to Pinkie Pie keeping audience sympathy while Twilight loses it, a huge deal in a show founded on its sympathetic and cute characters.

Also, in Party of One, Pinkie Pie's reaction is to change herself to accommodate the world when something central to her character turns on its head completely, where in Lesson Zero Twilight's reaction is to change the world to accommodate herself when something incidental to her character has no evidence for existence. Pinkie Pie stays inside and plays imaginary friends, while Twilight acts crazy dangerous around children and starts a fight between the entire town. The lesson of Party of One is to never doubt your friends, where the lesson in this episode is that her friends should have helped Twilight, with "don't make mountains out of molehills" only implicit. There are also more minor things, like the donkey sound when Twilight appears at the picnic and her unkempt hair throughout the episode, but all of this turns into: Party of One is the viewer looking out of Pinkie's eyes; Lesson Zero is the viewer watching Twilight Sparkle mess up.

There were also characterization issues in this episode: the Rarity that says "Can I *help* you with something?" in Art of the Dress is not the same Rarity that whines about missing a ribbon; Twilight's central characteristic is her eagerness to learn about friendship and magic, not her bureaucratic tendencies. Fluttershy cracking a bear's neck is a funny gag, but a cleverer writer can always find a way to have the same humor without sacrificing character. It almost feels like these three (others didn't have a large part) aren't the same ponies we learned to enjoy in previous episodes, which is a huge blunder. I did enjoy Spike and Celestia in this episode though, mostly because they were reasonable, true to characterization and not extreme.

I think about MLP like this: I read science fiction for the cool ideas, fantasy for the world and wonder, other stories for the gory action/drama/cool plot. MLP by genre doesn't have too much of these, so (besides clever wordplay, great art style, jokes for older audiences) it draws heavily on cute characters and audience sympathy for them as appeal. When that premise is subverted by making parts of the Mane 6 un-cute, unsympathetic or changing who they are as characters, the show becomes candy: a treat but unfilling.


I know there were episodes of season 1 that weren't my favorite (Over a Barrel, Feeling Pinkie Keen and whatever the one with the Owl was), but something seems slightly off about these new episodes that I can't help think is connected to the E/I removal and recognizing the new fanbase too much.


Spoilering for the sake of it.
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This episode just shows how different the characters are. While Pinkie, who is prone to socialize and create several situations for her friends changes herself when losing her mind, Twilight tries to change the exterior to fit her inner madness. This same effect occurs on S01E10 "Swarm of the Century", where she gets to the point of suggesting rebuilding the ville just for Celestia.

It is also very consistent with her character: She is overly organizational and pragmatic(As seen in 01x09 "Look Before you sleep" and 01x11 "Winter Wrap Up") and seeks for intense approval of her teacher(01x01 "Friendship is Magic Part 01", 01x10 "Swarm of the Century") as well as she easily thinks of the worst situation possible for whatever is going on, when Celestia is involved(01x22 "A Bird in the Hoof").

It is also consistent with Rarity's complex character, which follows not one but two stereotypes: Either generous and friendly or whiny and dramatic(See 01x19 "A Dog and a Pony Show", or 01x21 "Green isn't your color" for a clearer look at her double stereotype. You can also use 01x02 for the first, and 01x01 for the second).

And Fluttershy is not wrong either: although it may look odd, many times nearly breaking a neck is the best way to fix a neck/column pain. I do it all the time, everyone who swam competitively with me did it all the time, Fluttershy as the carer she is knows that as well, and just helped the bear. I mean, I thought it was pretty obvious, in the end is was just a kind of physiotherapy. It just looked odd before, but that scene was perfectly fine.

Nope, this episode was actually perfectly fine. Surely Twilight went over-crazy, but that's the whole point. I bet 02x04 and 02x05 will have much less craziness, seeing how they are Luna and Rarity/Sweetie Belle centered episodes.


Now *channels inner Photo Finish*
I GO


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You are correct. I don't think the characteristics shown by Twilight and Rarity in this episode are new and strange, but I do think they are taken to levels uncharacteristic of the two.

01x10: Twilight has a momentary crazy idea when Ponyville is almost destroyed before Celestia's visit, vs 02x03: Twilight goes crazy for ~10 minutes and indirectly hurts ponies because an assignment is late -- she adores her teacher and wants to be organized, but this episode felt too far.

01x19: Rarity whines as a conversational tactic and to get the better of someone, vs 02x03: Rarity whines because frankly anything in the world has happened (misplacing an item? Really?) -- the noble attitude is a facade but usually a more persistent one.

I suppose with Fluttershy it was the screaming and angry faces that seemed out of character, but the gag's punch relied on those. I'm sure a similar joke could have been found that kept Fluttershy more in character. To be fair, when I see Fluttershy being crazy kung-fu aggressive in fanart I laugh my ass off and enjoy it because it contrasts so sharply with canon, and it was funny in this episode, but the writers should beware because this is canon.
Life is like a giant videogame, but no one wins and the computer crashes at the end.
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
October 16 2011 00:15 GMT
#3426
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Twilight changes the whole town just for the princess, it's not about the situation, it's about her teacher. Same thing on 01x22, where she suggests that Fluttershy would be banished and locked down to the place she was banished to. It's part of her character to extremely overreact when she feels something isn't right when concerning Celestia.

I do agree that Rarity was over the top on her whining, but hey, that was the joke right? Doing it once won't hurt. I have to say that her "uh-huh" after finding the ribbon cracked me up hard.

And in defense of Fluttershy, it is very hard to maintain a cute face when you are trying to snap the neck of a bear
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FnF
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland200 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 00:56:50
October 16 2011 00:54 GMT
#3427
Accusing the episode of being out-of-character is pretty silly. Revving up the traits you've already spent an entire season establishing isn't the same as abandoning them. It's a flexible show with multi-faceted appeal, and chastising the writers for exercising the freedom they've rightfully earned just isn't very fair.
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
October 16 2011 00:57 GMT
#3428
On October 16 2011 09:54 FnF wrote:
Accusing the episode of being "out of character" is just silly. Revving up the traits you've already spent an entire season establishing isn't the same as abandoning them. It's a flexible show with multi-faceted appeal, and chastising the writers for exercising the freedom they've rightfully earned just isn't very fair.

just wait to see the storm when Luna is not as expected :p
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
rockerman101
Profile Joined June 2011
United States85 Posts
October 16 2011 01:07 GMT
#3429
On October 16 2011 06:29 Whitewing wrote:
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On October 16 2011 05:58 Incognoto wrote:
Ahh forgot to watch this new one.

Ponies or MLG? :s


Duh, MLG then ponies during breaks.

ponies>mlg u can always miss a match and find out the results later but u cant just hear about a pony episode
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
October 16 2011 04:21 GMT
#3430
On October 16 2011 09:54 FnF wrote:
Accusing the episode of being out-of-character is pretty silly. Revving up the traits you've already spent an entire season establishing isn't the same as abandoning them. It's a flexible show with multi-faceted appeal, and chastising the writers for exercising the freedom they've rightfully earned just isn't very fair.

Exactly. I like how you think you know the characters better than the writers. Your complaints are absolutely ridiculous.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
October 16 2011 04:36 GMT
#3431
Ok, now that we are over with the episode craze

SpeccSY, an amazing artist and mad lover of the Flutter/Pinkie shipping, just finished a series of a 14 page comic that is simply AMAZING.

Disclaimer: I hate shipping, but these stories and fanarts are just too damn good.
http://speccysy.deviantart.com/art/Sight-for-Really-Sore-Eyes-1-255435302

You can follow the next pages on DA itself, the links are right below the page.

Prepare for tons of D'aaaaw
And you've been warned: contains heavy Shipping. Nothing NSFW, just plain ol' cute romance.
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
October 16 2011 04:48 GMT
#3432
On October 16 2011 13:36 Zephirdd wrote:
Ok, now that we are over with the episode craze

SpeccSY, an amazing artist and mad lover of the Flutter/Pinkie shipping, just finished a series of a 14 page comic that is simply AMAZING.

Disclaimer: I hate shipping, but these stories and fanarts are just too damn good.
http://speccysy.deviantart.com/art/Sight-for-Really-Sore-Eyes-1-255435302

You can follow the next pages on DA itself, the links are right below the page.

Prepare for tons of D'aaaaw
And you've been warned: contains heavy Shipping. Nothing NSFW, just plain ol' cute romance.

I'm not into shipping either, but damn, that comic...that comic. I read the finished pages a while ago, but it was incomplete. Great ending. <3
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
Ruffian
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States369 Posts
October 16 2011 05:05 GMT
#3433
Oh dear god the latest episode :D

The scene with Twilight and the Cutie Mark Crusaders had me dying with laughter. Her derped out expressions were the best.
There's a class for this (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:・゚✧
PureMetal
Profile Joined December 2010
United States83 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 07:09:47
October 16 2011 07:07 GMT
#3434


This pretty much sums it up for me... Be forewarned, the video is painfully awkward.
Rareware
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada340 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 07:19:18
October 16 2011 07:18 GMT
#3435
On October 16 2011 16:07 PureMetal wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQysdRTDIYE

This pretty much sums it up for me... Be forewarned, the video is painfully awkward.


I see your other post here was

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On August 12 2011 04:09 PureMetal wrote:
[image loading]
yeahhh.... no thanks...

I can't wrap my head around what would make any decent male enjoy this show. I have tried watching it, but honestly can't do more than 30 seconds.


so if you decided you didn't like this about 160 pages ago, why did you come back?
ROOT Fighting!!!
Zoundsforsook
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Scotland636 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 08:31:47
October 16 2011 08:30 GMT
#3436
It's been said before but it should be said again for clarity, the latest episodes were made before the brony fandom really exploded so any of this percieved "brony fanservice" people are talking about is just imaginary, it simply did not exist at the time, it COULD not exist at the time.

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I for one think the episode was in character for Twighlight Sparkle, we saw an extreme side of Pinkie Pie in party of one, and now we see an extreme side of Twighlight Sparkle, its presented differently and Twighlight way of coping is completely different for obvious reasons, they are not the same ponies!

I don't think the entire season will be like that episode at all, but really I think it was a good episode and not really all that different from season 1 episodes if you consider them on an episode by episode basis rather than in its entirety

edit example: Take Dragonshy for example in season 1, Rarity is a bitch, fluttershys annoying, rainbow dash is kinda an asshole are the sort of conclusions that could be drawn from taking 1 episode and looking at it really closely rather than considering the entire show.
Paint it bright and bold.
Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 08:51:34
October 16 2011 08:44 GMT
#3437
On October 16 2011 17:30 Zoundsforsook wrote:
It's been said before but it should be said again for clarity, the latest episodes were made before the brony fandom really exploded so any of this percieved "brony fanservice" people are talking about is just imaginary, it simply did not exist at the time, it COULD not exist at the time.

+ Show Spoiler +
I for one think the episode was in character for Twighlight Sparkle, we saw an extreme side of Pinkie Pie in party of one, and now we see an extreme side of Twighlight Sparkle, its presented differently and Twighlight way of coping is completely different for obvious reasons, they are not the same ponies!

I don't think the entire season will be like that episode at all, but really I think it was a good episode and not really all that different from season 1 episodes if you consider them on an episode by episode basis rather than in its entirety

edit example: Take Dragonshy for example in season 1, Rarity is a bitch, fluttershys annoying, rainbow dash is kinda an asshole are the sort of conclusions that could be drawn from taking 1 episode and looking at it really closely rather than considering the entire show.

People are watching season 2 and are finding the image of Jesus in their toast. It's honestly that simple.

JT explicitly said there won't be any fanservice beyond stuff like more Derpy. I don't know why so many people are harping on "fanservice" in the recent episodes. If it's a reference to something, it's there because the team making the show wanted to make the joke amongst and for themselves, not in acknowledgement of the bronies.
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
Jhuyt
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden365 Posts
October 16 2011 11:41 GMT
#3438
This fanfic needs some love http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/10/story-dusk-and-dawn.html

It's not perfectly written but what it lacks in those parts it makes up for in atmosphere. It's a really good fanfic
[17:32] <catphone> Roll for % cooler [17:32] <catphone> .roll d20 [17:32] <+Sweetiebot> catphone: 20 (d20=20)
JeosAdn
Profile Joined September 2011
Costa Rica432 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 15:06:06
October 16 2011 14:35 GMT
#3439
Guess in what new direction is Hasbro's marketing department going?

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[image loading]


that. is. amazing.

Also, insane Twilight collage:

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[image loading]


Source: EqD
HoMM
Profile Joined July 2010
Estonia635 Posts
October 16 2011 14:59 GMT
#3440
On October 16 2011 23:35 JeosAdn wrote:
Guess in what new direction is Hasbro's marketing department going?

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


that. is. amazing.

Also, Twilight collage:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


That screenshot.. I can't believe it... too good to be true..
Epic.
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