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The assesment of the Sand Snakes literally being B action move villians is so accurate it hurts. Not just any B movie but 80's style cliche terrible. Ugh I was cringing so hard watching that scene.
Jaime going to Dorne makes 0 sense, Sending Bronn to Dorne with one or two well trained dudes would be a smart move. Jaime is basically useless and just there to die. It's flat out a bad decision, it's the writers pandering to the fans who want to see more of Bronn and Jaime.
Barristan Selmy is regarded as one of, if not the most bad ass fighter of all time in Westeros. Him getting overpowered by a some dudes with Daggers is flat out silly, Add on top of that the leader of the Unsullied and a dozen actual unsullied the supposed best infantry in the world? It's fucking laughable to think that a force like that was beaten by dudes is cloth robes wielding daggers and knives.
A handful of unsullied+Their leader+Best fighter in the world(Though old)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>20+ dudes in robes with knives. Seriously they shouldn't have even broken a sweat here. These are all supposed to be the best of the best. It's unthinkable to me that they would lose to such weak opponents even outnumbered. Better training, better weapons, better armor(Unsullied) EASILY outweighs having more guys.
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Of all the criticism of the show I have read in this thread, the whole Barristan thing has to be the silliest by far. No, no one can beat >5 guys with knifes and other weapons attacking him at once. Not even the best fighter in the world. If you believe otherwise, you simply have seen too many action movies where the good guy beats an infinite number of evil guys coming at him one at a time.
It's hilarious that one of the complaints is that Barristan wasn't enough of an 80's action hero.
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unsullied were really disappointing... only grey worm was bad as for no reason at all (they should all have the same skill)
except that, i'm glad the show is nothing like the book at this point, the changes are getting bigger after each season
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Anything other than Barristan fighting against >50 enemies before dying is outrageous!
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On May 05 2015 02:20 Conti wrote:
Of all the criticism of the show I have read in this thread, the whole Barristan thing has to be the silliest by far. No, no one can beat >5 guys with knifes and other weapons attacking him at once. Not even the best fighter in the world. If you believe otherwise, you simply have seen too many action movies where the good guy beats an infinite number of evil guys coming at him one at a time.
It's hilarious that one of the complaints is that Barristan wasn't enough of an 80's action hero.
My complain isn't that Barriston doesn't win vs them, my complain is that the unsullied lose in the first place
But i don't understand why he would take a walk in the city like that, ALONE, when it's clear that it's dangerous.
Whatever, overall it was a bad scene and didn't really achieve anything at least for me cause all the time they could have used to flesh him out was used for Grey Worm and Missandei pretty much (i guess they used him to tell the Rhaegar = jesus scene to make a last attempt though)
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On May 05 2015 02:20 Conti wrote:
Of all the criticism of the show I have read in this thread, the whole Barristan thing has to be the silliest by far. No, no one can beat >5 guys with knifes and other weapons attacking him at once. Not even the best fighter in the world. If you believe otherwise, you simply have seen too many action movies where the good guy beats an infinite number of evil guys coming at him one at a time.
It's hilarious that one of the complaints is that Barristan wasn't enough of an 80's action hero.
Many of us are just pissed that Barristan didn't get a proper sending off... Let us get through our 5 stages of grief first.
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On May 05 2015 02:28 LennX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 02:20 Conti wrote:
Of all the criticism of the show I have read in this thread, the whole Barristan thing has to be the silliest by far. No, no one can beat >5 guys with knifes and other weapons attacking him at once. Not even the best fighter in the world. If you believe otherwise, you simply have seen too many action movies where the good guy beats an infinite number of evil guys coming at him one at a time.
It's hilarious that one of the complaints is that Barristan wasn't enough of an 80's action hero. Many of us are just pissed that Barristan didn't get a proper sending off... Let us get through our 5 stages of grief first.
Now that argument I can accept. 
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I don't know. On the one hand, I agree that Barristan single-handedly killing 10 people would be silly. On the other, I think it's down right stupid that he wasn't wearing any armor. If you put Barristan in armor against those guys wearing masks and t-shirts, then yes, I think he would and should cut them down.
The guy sneaked into a castle and freed Aerys. One can cite all the action flick movies they want, there is such a thing as a very talented fighter. Barristan is widely known as the best swordfighter there is, and I think that given proper conditions he would get out of that fight with minimal injuries. I just can't justify having him go out there not wearing any sort of protection.
edit: more importantly, I don't really understand the flow the writers are using here. They show the fight, they show Barristan suffering bad injuries, but when he is about to get his throat cut open Grey Worm saves him, and then roll credits. OK. That's good suspense. But then they show his death on the preview??? I mean, I'm no cinematographer, but that seems very poorly done.
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On May 05 2015 03:06 Spaylz wrote:
I don't know. On the one hand, I agree that Barristan single-handedly killing 10 people would be silly. On the other, I think it's down right stupid that he wasn't wearing any armor. If you put Barristan in armor against those guys wearing masks and t-shirts, then yes, I think he would and should cut them down.
The guy sneaked into a castle and freed Aerys. One can cite all the action flick movies they want, there is such a thing as a very talented fighter. Barristan is widely known as the best swordfighter there is, and I think that given proper conditions he would get out of that fight with minimal injuries. I just can't justify having him go out there not wearing any sort of protection.
edit: more importantly, I don't really understand the flow the writers are using here. They show the fight, they show Barristan suffering bad injuries, but when he is about to get his throat cut open Grey Worm saves him, and then roll credits. OK. That's good suspense. But then they show his death on the preview??? I mean, I'm no cinematographer, but that seems very poorly done.
I'd say he wasn't wearing armor because he was not expecting to fight. There has been no open attack by the Harpies, after all, and nothing indicated that there would be one that day. He was not prepared, unlike his attackers, who have planned the attack for a good while, presumably. Surely that alone puts the odds in their favor.
As for the preview thing, unfortunately the people writing/making the show and the people making the previews are rarely the same, and the latter are often not that talented (or even interested) when it comes to hiding spoilers. One of the reasons I never watch previews. Or "previously on" thingies, while we're at it, since those often contain spoilers too, like reminding people that Lancel still exists, thus heavily implying that he will show up that episode.
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On May 05 2015 00:32 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 00:29 ShiaoPi wrote:
watching the episodes so far I really feel it went all downhill since they deviated major plot points from the books...
guess it's time to just treat it as a spin-off I think it's a bit quick to say that. They have had some truly terrible off-books scenes yes (hello shirtless Ramsay fighting), but I think the series is still good and well above most other shows. At least it belongs in the top. I am somewhat worried about next season though, or even the end of this one. Soon, and if GRRM does not release TWOW this year, they'll have to truly invent content based on what he has told them. I'm not sure I trust their ability to come up with solid plot lines. Time will tell.
I also don't consider it GoT anymore but a fan story.
And it is not above other shows anymore, it went downhill for a while now. I consider Daredevil best TV currently for year 2015.
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Seriously, I've seen better battle formations on Vikings + Show Spoiler +. Unsullied are supposed to be able to hold off mounted Dothraki while outnumbered 4:1.
Also it looks like they're setting up Tyrion and Jorah to run in to the stone men in Valyria. Makes sense considering how they are streamlining Tyrion's journey, but it kinda takes the mystery out of the ruins of Valyria. But without the crows eye I guess that won't matter.
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On May 05 2015 03:06 Spaylz wrote:
I don't know. On the one hand, I agree that Barristan single-handedly killing 10 people would be silly. On the other, I think it's down right stupid that he wasn't wearing any armor. If you put Barristan in armor against those guys wearing masks and t-shirts, then yes, I think he would and should cut them down.
He would never be in full armor, except to go to a certain fight, or for protocol. Light leather for a stroll in the city seams reasonnable. Just has to be weary of the usual ambush of 3 or 4 the harpies have shown ...
His fight scene starts 7vs1 (with 4 opponents remaining to deal with Grey Worm). Barristan kills the first 7, then 3 more that come as reinforcements. Gets kicked in the back by a 10th one coming from a side passage, kills 2 more before being wounded, another 2 before a second stab in the back and a last one before the fatal blow. That's 15 for his killcount out of 11 visible in the group he chose to attack.
(Grey Worm is at 19 kills from the start of the engagement)
The choregraphy of the fight was off, he is full of openings and the harpies are waiting in line against the wall, but not sure they could do much more for his aura as a fighter to send him off. We'll miss his fight in full armor against Khrazz ... still not that bad.
(thought he would go down pretty much in that way in the books, betrayed after he went against Hizdahr)
Agreed the lack of coordination of the unsullied was disturbing, on the other hand. Should still have gone down, but not that scattered.
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A Queens Guard is always with his guard on.
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In would enjoy if the TV show would reveal that Littlefinger belongs in fact to an alien species that comes to earth and kidnaps Daenerys, Bronn and Arya to bring them to their mothership far far away in the omega quadrant whereupon the imprisoned Cersi writes to Jamie and Jamie then tames a dragon to travel through a nearby wormhole that brings him to the alien death star which Jamie destroys by blowing Victaryon's horn, freeing the prisoners, meanwhile the battle of the white walkers is closing in on King's Landing, but Varys has a plan. Also, I would like to see what happened to Gendry.
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On May 05 2015 04:04 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 00:32 Spaylz wrote:On May 05 2015 00:29 ShiaoPi wrote:
watching the episodes so far I really feel it went all downhill since they deviated major plot points from the books...
guess it's time to just treat it as a spin-off I think it's a bit quick to say that. They have had some truly terrible off-books scenes yes (hello shirtless Ramsay fighting), but I think the series is still good and well above most other shows. At least it belongs in the top. I am somewhat worried about next season though, or even the end of this one. Soon, and if GRRM does not release TWOW this year, they'll have to truly invent content based on what he has told them. I'm not sure I trust their ability to come up with solid plot lines. Time will tell. I also don't consider it GoT anymore but a fan story. And it is not above other shows anymore, it went downhill for a while now. I consider Daredevil best TV currently for year 2015.
I see where you're coming from, and I also loved Netflix's Daredevil. Great show. However, I don't think that is a very fair thing to say. Daredevil has had its first season, and it was great; but if we were to compare the first seasons of both Daredevil and Game of Thrones, I think they would be pretty equal. GoT would possibly come out on top.
Yes, GoT has gone downhill, but Daredevil is just one season so far. I think it's better to look at the big picture when trying to assess the quality of a show.
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On May 05 2015 04:43 helpman170 wrote:
Also, I would like to see what happened to Gendry.
Maybe he's still rowing that boat in the wrong direction
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On May 05 2015 05:00 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 04:04 -Archangel- wrote:On May 05 2015 00:32 Spaylz wrote:On May 05 2015 00:29 ShiaoPi wrote:
watching the episodes so far I really feel it went all downhill since they deviated major plot points from the books...
guess it's time to just treat it as a spin-off I think it's a bit quick to say that. They have had some truly terrible off-books scenes yes (hello shirtless Ramsay fighting), but I think the series is still good and well above most other shows. At least it belongs in the top. I am somewhat worried about next season though, or even the end of this one. Soon, and if GRRM does not release TWOW this year, they'll have to truly invent content based on what he has told them. I'm not sure I trust their ability to come up with solid plot lines. Time will tell. I also don't consider it GoT anymore but a fan story. And it is not above other shows anymore, it went downhill for a while now. I consider Daredevil best TV currently for year 2015. I see where you're coming from, and I also loved Netflix's Daredevil. Great show. However, I don't think that is a very fair thing to say. Daredevil has had its first season, and it was great; but if we were to compare the first seasons of both Daredevil and Game of Thrones, I think they would be pretty equal. GoT would possibly come out on top. Yes, GoT has gone downhill, but Daredevil is just one season so far. I think it's better to look at the big picture when trying to assess the quality of a show.
Well I thought we are talking about this year? GoT season 1 is very good (because it is closest to the books so they didn't frack up yet with their fan stories).
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On May 05 2015 04:20 scudst0rm wrote:Seriously, I've seen better battle formations on Vikings + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTYz439cA5w . Unsullied are supposed to be able to hold off mounted Dothraki while outnumbered 4:1. Also it looks like they're setting up Tyrion and Jorah to run in to the stone men in Valyria. Makes sense considering how they are streamlining Tyrion's journey, but it kinda takes the mystery out of the ruins of Valyria. But without the crows eye I guess that won't matter.
that fight choreography was also really iffy. why the fuck would you charge a shield wall if you are in control of the shore to which the vikings (I suppose, no idea about the plot of the show) are returning. Also it looks like the attackers were much more numerous, they could have easily outflanked them instead of going for full frontal assault. Archers are also kind of terrible if you only use them for a single volley on the shieldwall before ordering your charge...
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i was so sure Barristan didnt die in ep 4, but apparently i was wrong
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