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I had always thought Peter Dinklage was overrated and overpraised, but fuck man. He stole the entire episode. His performance was just outstanding. I was reliving Tyrion's hatred during the trial, it was just fucking perfect.
I also loved Oberyn's face when Tyrion said he wanted a trial by combat. I think that shot was made for book readers, haha.
edit: I also thought Yara's scene was entirely useless. Just plain useless, no other word. The other Dreadfort scenes were nice, Ramsay and Theon are great. Alfie Allen really aces the role, especially considering he went from this cocky bastard to this shadow of a man.
Though I thought it was ridiculous that Ramsay would go fighting armored men bareback. Be a little serious, please.
Wtf how could you think dinklage was overrated before today's ep? ! He was epic in the trial but that has been his standard performance since day 1. There's no amount of praise unworthy for his performance in gots.
I'm not saying I thought he was a bad actor. Just that he is/was given too much praise for his performance. He acts very well, but I feel there are better actors on the show.
I was mostly slighted by the fact that the Emmy of S3 went to Dinklage, when I feel it should have gone to NCW for the bath scene.
Episode was ok, the whole trial scene was epic and Tyrions speech gave me goosebumps. But I feel like the tempo is slightly off, the whole Asha/Reek thing felt so weird and rushed. I don't remember that from the book and can't see that it added something plotwise. Stannis and the Ironbank also felt very rushed, the only "hint" we got was the letter that Davos sent which appeared as if he did it without Stannis consent. So I would have liked a scene with Stannis, Davos and the red priestess covering what happened between sending the letter and the meeting with the ironbank. Tyrion asking for a trial by combat without talking to Oberyn first I guess can be explained by anger and lack of sense.
On May 12 2014 18:44 Gullis wrote: Episode was ok, the whole trial scene was epic and Tyrions speech gave me goosebumps. But I feel like the tempo is slightly off, the whole Asha/Reek thing felt so weird and rushed. I don't remember that from the book and can't see that it added something plotwise. Stannis and the Ironbank also felt very rushed, the only "hint" we got was the letter that Davos sent which appeared as if he did it without Stannis consent. So I would have liked a scene with Stannis, Davos and the red priestess covering what happened between sending the letter and the meeting with the ironbank. Tyrion asking for a trial by combat without talking to Oberyn first I guess can be explained by anger and lack of sense.
It had double purpose: 1. Non-book readers want action scenes. 2. Theon chose to remain Reek although he had a real chance to escape. Since they cannot show to the viewers how broken Theon is like in the book they chose this way.
On May 12 2014 18:44 Gullis wrote: Episode was ok, the whole trial scene was epic and Tyrions speech gave me goosebumps. But I feel like the tempo is slightly off, the whole Asha/Reek thing felt so weird and rushed. I don't remember that from the book and can't see that it added something plotwise. Stannis and the Ironbank also felt very rushed, the only "hint" we got was the letter that Davos sent which appeared as if he did it without Stannis consent. So I would have liked a scene with Stannis, Davos and the red priestess covering what happened between sending the letter and the meeting with the ironbank. Tyrion asking for a trial by combat without talking to Oberyn first I guess can be explained by anger and lack of sense.
It had double purpose: 1. Non-book readers want action scenes. 2. Theon chose to remain Reek although he had a real chance to escape. Since they cannot show to the viewers how broken Theon is like in the book they chose this way.
This. People keep forgetting that there is no inner monlogue on TV. Things have to be shown to be understood.
I knew people here would be critical of changes, but I liked almost everything about this episode. Some things even made more sense than in the books.
I thought it was the weakest episode of the season, and that's saying a lot because I think this is the weakest season so far. I haven't liked the dialogue or the directing much this season. Everything seems so fake, I miss the down-to-earth tone present in the first season. It's like the actors like their characters too much, and are trying to oversell their characters? I don't know how to describe it.
Right now I think Jon Snow (from season 4), Jaime, Sansa, and weirdly enough Stannis are the only show characters who act anything like their book counterparts. I'm not talking about their lines or actions in the show, just the way they act. They're the only ones who are able to provide that suspension of disbelief needed for a fantasy series. When I see Tyrion I think "oh there's peter dinklage doing a great job of acting" when I see arya or daneryes I think "oh there's these annoying actors again, I think they like their characters way too much."
So there are lots of actors that I don't think are very good, there are some actors that are really good but somehow still come across as fake, and then there's the few I mentioned who actually manage to come across as a real person.
Those are valid points but I think that they could have done it in a less clumsy way. The upcoming events with Reek going to that castle (what ever it name was) will give plenty of opportunity to showcase his state of mind. I just dislike it when they force some new event in there to showcase something that could have been integrated smoothly with the main story. For example Jaime's deal with Tywin was a really clever way of giving cause for letting Tyrion take the black (which imo lacked in the book).
On May 12 2014 19:50 thrawn2112 wrote: I thought it was the weakest episode of the season, and that's saying a lot because I think this is the weakest season so far. I haven't liked the dialogue or the directing much this season. Everything seems so fake, I miss the down-to-earth tone present in the first season. It's like the actors like their characters too much, and are trying to oversell their characters? I don't know how to describe it.
Right now I think Jon Snow (from season 4), Jaime, Sansa, and weirdly enough Stannis are the only show characters who act anything like their book counterparts. I'm not talking about their lines or actions in the show, just the way they act. They're the only ones who are able to provide that suspension of disbelief needed for a fantasy series. When I see Tyrion I think "oh there's peter dinklage doing a great job of acting" when I see arya or daneryes I think "oh there's these annoying actors again, I think they like their characters way too much."
So there are lots of actors that I don't think are very good, there are some actors that are really good but somehow still come across as fake, and then there's the few I mentioned who actually manage to come across as a real person.
How in the world is Stannis acting like his book counterpart? He is by far the worst portrayal of the show, and while he's not a total opposite to book Stannis, he's missing a LOT of key elements that make Stannis who he is. And that isn't due to Dillan, who is great, but to the writing and the angle the writers are giving Stannis.
I can see what you're saying though. I get the same feeling about Daenerys and Littlefinger. Both actors sort of overact, and it makes the scenes a little painful. The rest though... I like the season so far. I didn't like a few things obviously, but most of it is quite good in my opinion.
I shouldn't have said 'acting like book counterpart' I think I got confused while writing that post. I'm not talking about the lines actors deliver or how their character's actions may be different from the books, I'm just pointing out the actors that make me forget I'm watching a tv show. No matter how good of a job {eter dinklage does, most of the time I'm thinking about how it's Peter Dinklage doing a great acting job.
Maybe it's just King's Landing scenes in general that I have a problem with. I feel like the directors are trying too hard to sell the "game of thrones you win or you die" theme, which isn't really what the show is supposed to be about. The books are about the interactions between widly varying types of people and the show seems to be about delivering witty punchlines and portraying characters as badasses 100% of the time.
And I actually think that tv stannis is more like book stannis than most people claim. I'm aware of all the ways that they've made his "good" actions from the book have less of an impact, or just not happen at all, but I think they are doing a good job of showing you what stannis looks like from the perspective of someone that isn't davos. Stannis is my favorite book character but he DEFINITLY does some terrible, terrible shit in the books. Yet all the book fans act like thje tv show is only supposed to show Stannis' good side so they get butthurt whenever the show changes something.
you know i actually thought emelia clark did a great job during season 1. maybe it's not her acting that I dislike now, maybe it's just that she only gets the chance to potray one aspect of the character. it feels like the producers know that she is a popular character that many show watchers root for so now they are fully commited to only portraying her as a badass. same with tyrion.
It's not that Stannis never does anything bad, he definitely does. He's one of my favourite characters too, but I don't approve of Melisandre, or the Shadow Baby, etc. He's done some very wretched things, no doubt about it. Still though, he has some very redeeming qualities, and none of them have been shown in GoT. His progression is one of the most interesting things in the books, to me at least. I love all of his interactions with Davos and Jon, and most agree he gets the best lines. In the show though... He's portrayed as a villain, right up to his musical theme.
I liked Dany in S1 also. Now, they're only portraying her as this dragon queen who can't be beaten, and who sounds wayyyyy too smug. I'm confident that most viewers have forgotten the frail girl from S1, which is so wrong. Tyrion has been whitewashed quite a bit, but I expect that to be toned down, as he should become much darker, now that we'll be entering his ADWD arc.
If they still try to whitewash Tyrion after he kills his father, I'll be disappointed. But so far, they are delivering alright on most aspects. My two main disappointments are Stannis and Cersei. One is portrayed as too much of a villain, and the other one not enough. Hopefully they rectify that.
I think having stannis show up to the wall will be enough to show his redeeming side. Now if they change that and make it into something different, that's when I'll be disappointed in their portrayal of Stannis. But for now I think they have his character right, which is basically a darker version of eddard.
Besides, I don't remember liking Stannis or even paying that much attention to him until late in the series so I don't mind it being the same way in the show.
Yeah, I was kinda expecting that line to come out after Tyrion pleaded "Shae don't", to avoid any further embarrassment from the laughing crowd... Was that iron bank scene, a scene that was in the books? I can't remember...
On May 12 2014 21:00 SwARmZzz wrote: Yeah, I was kinda expecting that line to come out after Tyrion pleaded "Shae don't", to avoid any further embarrassment from the laughing crowd... Was that iron bank scene, a scene that was in the books? I can't remember...
On May 12 2014 19:52 Gullis wrote: Those are valid points but I think that they could have done it in a less clumsy way. The upcoming events with Reek going to that castle (what ever it name was) will give plenty of opportunity to showcase his state of mind. I just dislike it when they force some new event in there to showcase something that could have been integrated smoothly with the main story. For example Jaime's deal with Tywin was a really clever way of giving cause for letting Tyrion take the black (which imo lacked in the book).
No it does not. I am already reading how it is unrealistic that Theon didn't go with his sister, but if he suddenly decided to not hide with a bunch of Ironborn in a castle (Moat Caitilin) but betray them.. that would be even less believable to viewers. In todays episode Ironborn were kind of outnumbered and one can say Theon was so scared he didn't want to risk trying to flee and getting captured again.
Man, they really went down the route of Shae betraying Tyrion just because she's a jealous bitch. So all my time spent defending her character was for nothing.
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