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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and FireClick Here for the spoiler-free thread. |
On April 29 2014 22:21 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 21:39 fabiano wrote:
I really think it is an absurd to have the series spoil the books. No offense to those who preffer the TV show, but to me the books are much deeper and much more enjoyable, since nothing is rushed, we get more details and inside each characters head.
Now I'm not sure if I should keep watching or if I just wait yet another year for the release of the book. Even not watching the show the chances I'm going to get spoiled by the Internet, be it on 9gag or some random dude joke on some random blog/site/forum post/comics is so high that one might become paranoid.
I've never spoiled the show to anyone anywhere, even refused to hint anything to my friends who came over asking stuff... I feel kind of betrayed now. I know that in the last episode the spoiler was minimal, as many said it was hinted in the books, but this opens a precedent for future events, and the longer the show goes, the higher are the chances we will get major spoilers that might ruin the book series...
What do I do Relax? If you respect the TV medium so little that receiving new plot elements from the show instead of the book offends you deeply, then it sounds like you should stop watching. But navigating the internet like getting "spoiled" of future events of Game of Thrones will literally kill you is insane. If you want to, enjoy the show for what it is, the same story told in a different way, with diverging and converging paths, and if you can't enjoy it for that then don't watch. I don't really understand people saying that the show has "spoilered" them now. This is the story, it's not a spoiler. Telling someone about the Red Wedding or Joffrey's Death in that other thread before it happens is a spoiler. The scene with the Night's King, to me, is just another example of something the show can pull off that the books cannot, except maybe in a prologue...showing the story from the perspective of characters we don't see in the books. This is kind of nice, and there was nothing revolutionary in that scene that book-readers hadn't already hypothesized about. But the show was always going to outpace the books, so I'm not really sure what you expected...
I didn't expect to get spoilered about book 6/7 during season 4.
Also, a TV show spoilering a book series is much more severe than the other way around, since TV is so mainstream that there is a much higher chance that in your daily life you will somehow get spoilered, even when trying to avoid it.
Remember that the series started much before the TV show, and there are people like me that did start reading it years ago. I'm not saying I have the "right" to not get spoilers, what I'm saying is that I'm about to get majorly screwed because I would like to enjoy the story and its future events by reading the book, and there will be so much talk about GoT that it will be unavoidable to not get spoilers.
All in all, this is just a rant, very likely overly histeric about something little that happened.
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It's also possible the show writers made up the scene and it will have no connection to the books. In the book the Others never spread horse parts around at the fist of the first men. There is nothing to suggest they would have passed by Sam and looked at him and let him live. Jon never went back to Craster's, and Bran was never captured by the mutineers. There are plenty of other examples of things the show has decided to change, and GRRM has no say on any of it. He said prior to season 1 that he trusted Dan and David to stay as faithful as they could to the books, but if they wanted to have characters abducted by aliens there is nothing he could do about it because he has no creative control over the show. I suspect this probably is something they consulted him about, but nothing is guaranteed until he says so.
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sometimes i wish GRRM could have waited to sell the rights to the series until he finished the books.
Why would you put so much time pressure on yourself if youre a slow writer? It would be way nicer if you had one cohesive story instead of 2 and you get all mixed up and you have to keep track of all the differences.
the longer i watch the show, i realize that book 4 and 5 have serious pacing issues and its somehow arranged suboptimal. The show tries to bundle similar storylines like arya and sansa get close to meeting up and they make it parallel to jon and bran barely meeting each other. It looks like thats what they're going for.
somehow makes you think if it was better if you give GRRM just more time to figure all the stuff out. I hate it when you look back at a story and be like.. well i didnt really like the way it was in the book thats our chance to make it right.
When i have to read the books in the future and have to erase all my show knowledge so i wont get confused, im gonna have a bad time.. TT
/rant
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I don't think he is under that much pressure. Other readers look far more worried about it than him.
At least now if something happens to him we will have 1 version of the story.
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It is pretty dramatic to call any of this a spoiler. It is, but only in a broad and meaningless sense.
First of all there is the chance that it was an unfortunate borrowing of the term "Night King" and it does not have real meaning beyond attesting that there is a hierarchy among the others.
What happened in 4.4 confirms some, which the show has done before starting all the way back in season 1.
Where it enters new territory is that it also substantially harms a couple ideas. It isn't a big deal though. Even if it was a slip rather than a meaningless borrowing of the term "Night King", this only makes the ideas about a human becoming the new Night King seem less likely. That is it. A set of hypotheses (Lets not give them the credit of the word theory here; they do not warrant it. It all comes from the idea that Dany's vision of facing Robert was actually a wight-Stannis, and then the rest is a set of assumptions that follow. The Jon/Benjen as Night King stuff is entirely speculation.) become less likely. If that is a spoiler to be worked up about I can't wait to see what happens if the show drops the kind of R+L=J hint that would be required to introduce that idea to viewers.
All that said, I've been mulling the impossibility of skipping later seasons of the show in favor of trying to read DoS first. It just cannot be done. You would have to isolate yourself from the internet entirely, or near enough to entirely.
Or hope the show goes (or rather continues, but it would take a sharp turn for the worse) downward in quality and doesn't make it? That doesn't seem like something to hope for.
On April 30 2014 08:59 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
sometimes i wish GRRM could have waited to sell the rights to the series until he finished the books.
Agreed. Or at least waited long enough to make sure they would not catch him.
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Can you guys remind me all this night king thing?
I don't remember anything, Q_Q.
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Right, and why do we care?
Isn't he dead?
Or do you guys think a new night's king has arisen?
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There's a fairly popular theory that Coldhands was the Nights King.
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On April 30 2014 12:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:
There's a fairly popular theory that Coldhands was the Nights King.
It was not until his own brother, the King in the North, and Joramun, the King-Beyond-the-Wall, joined forces that the Night's King was brought down and the Night's Watch freed.
Seems like dead to me.
But that "cold as ice woman with blue eyes" may be the queen of the Others or something and she may have claimed a new lover.
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Deader things have not stayed dead. Noone really knows much about the Night King, it could be the same one, could be someone completelly new, could be Benjen for all we know.
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How funny would it be if theon somehow became the new night's king?
Grudge on you, grudge on you too, grudges on everyone! xD
I could even root for a zombie-theon.
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On April 30 2014 01:38 Monsen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 20:12 -Archangel- wrote:On April 29 2014 19:39 Monsen wrote:
I know it wasn't spelled out in the books but to me the white walker scene was no surprise whatsoever. What else would be so important to the Others that they leave Craster alone for it? Human babies tasty snack? Maybe as some sacrifice? Or Craster has some king blood from way back and his babies blood was good for their magic. Why should they accept such a sacrifice when they could just attack Craster and kill plenty more? It has to be more valuable to them than that.
Because killing plenty more means killing grown up women that cannot have any more children then...
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On April 30 2014 12:45 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 12:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:
There's a fairly popular theory that Coldhands was the Nights King. Show nested quote +It was not until his own brother, the King in the North, and Joramun, the King-Beyond-the-Wall, joined forces that the Night's King was brought down and the Night's Watch freed. Seems like dead to me. But that "cold as ice woman with blue eyes" may be the queen of the Others or something and she may have claimed a new lover.
Brought down doesn't have to be dead. He could have been a captive, or powerless, or any number of things. The last allegiance of elves and men "brought down" Sauron but he was still alive.
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On May 01 2014 00:06 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 12:45 Steveling wrote:On April 30 2014 12:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:
There's a fairly popular theory that Coldhands was the Nights King. It was not until his own brother, the King in the North, and Joramun, the King-Beyond-the-Wall, joined forces that the Night's King was brought down and the Night's Watch freed. Seems like dead to me. But that "cold as ice woman with blue eyes" may be the queen of the Others or something and she may have claimed a new lover. Brought down doesn't have to be dead. He could have been a captive, or powerless, or any number of things. The last allegiance of elves and men "brought down" Sauron but he was still alive.
I think it's stated in one of Old Nan's stories that he was beheaded, but I might be confusing him with the Rat Cook.
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On May 01 2014 00:06 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 12:45 Steveling wrote:On April 30 2014 12:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:
There's a fairly popular theory that Coldhands was the Nights King. It was not until his own brother, the King in the North, and Joramun, the King-Beyond-the-Wall, joined forces that the Night's King was brought down and the Night's Watch freed. Seems like dead to me. But that "cold as ice woman with blue eyes" may be the queen of the Others or something and she may have claimed a new lover. Brought down doesn't have to be dead. He could have been a captive, or powerless, or any number of things. The last allegiance of elves and men "brought down" Sauron but he was still alive.
In lotr world there were some people that knew that Sauron was not destroyed and would come back, just the plebs thought that he was defeated.
I don't think it's the same person.
But it may well be Benjen, since he's a Stark as well, brother of the King in the North, Eddard. Too many similarities for this slutty Ice Queen to ignore, xD.
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On May 01 2014 01:39 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 00:06 Mikau wrote:On April 30 2014 12:45 Steveling wrote:On April 30 2014 12:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:
There's a fairly popular theory that Coldhands was the Nights King. It was not until his own brother, the King in the North, and Joramun, the King-Beyond-the-Wall, joined forces that the Night's King was brought down and the Night's Watch freed. Seems like dead to me. But that "cold as ice woman with blue eyes" may be the queen of the Others or something and she may have claimed a new lover. Brought down doesn't have to be dead. He could have been a captive, or powerless, or any number of things. The last allegiance of elves and men "brought down" Sauron but he was still alive. In lotr world there were some people that knew that Sauron was not destroyed and would come back, just the plebs thought that he was defeated. I don't think it's the same person. But it may well be Benjen, since he's a Stark as well, brother of the King in the North, Eddard. Too many similarities for this slutty Ice Queen to ignore, xD.
That's not the point. I just meant "brought down" (if it is indeed phrased that way, I honestly can't remember) opens up a lot of possibility for still being alive and being a potential major player down the road.
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On May 01 2014 01:42 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 01:39 Steveling wrote:On May 01 2014 00:06 Mikau wrote:On April 30 2014 12:45 Steveling wrote:On April 30 2014 12:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:
There's a fairly popular theory that Coldhands was the Nights King. It was not until his own brother, the King in the North, and Joramun, the King-Beyond-the-Wall, joined forces that the Night's King was brought down and the Night's Watch freed. Seems like dead to me. But that "cold as ice woman with blue eyes" may be the queen of the Others or something and she may have claimed a new lover. Brought down doesn't have to be dead. He could have been a captive, or powerless, or any number of things. The last allegiance of elves and men "brought down" Sauron but he was still alive. In lotr world there were some people that knew that Sauron was not destroyed and would come back, just the plebs thought that he was defeated. I don't think it's the same person. But it may well be Benjen, since he's a Stark as well, brother of the King in the North, Eddard. Too many similarities for this slutty Ice Queen to ignore, xD. That's not the point. I just meant "brought down" (if it is indeed phrased that way, I honestly can't remember) opens up a lot of possibility for still being alive and being a potential major player down the road.
Plus it was like, 8,000 years ago, and the stories aren't written down, they are passed on from old lady to old lady. Some of the details may be incorrect.
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On May 01 2014 05:23 chillpenguin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 01:42 Mikau wrote:On May 01 2014 01:39 Steveling wrote:On May 01 2014 00:06 Mikau wrote:On April 30 2014 12:45 Steveling wrote:On April 30 2014 12:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:
There's a fairly popular theory that Coldhands was the Nights King. It was not until his own brother, the King in the North, and Joramun, the King-Beyond-the-Wall, joined forces that the Night's King was brought down and the Night's Watch freed. Seems like dead to me. But that "cold as ice woman with blue eyes" may be the queen of the Others or something and she may have claimed a new lover. Brought down doesn't have to be dead. He could have been a captive, or powerless, or any number of things. The last allegiance of elves and men "brought down" Sauron but he was still alive. In lotr world there were some people that knew that Sauron was not destroyed and would come back, just the plebs thought that he was defeated. I don't think it's the same person. But it may well be Benjen, since he's a Stark as well, brother of the King in the North, Eddard. Too many similarities for this slutty Ice Queen to ignore, xD. That's not the point. I just meant "brought down" (if it is indeed phrased that way, I honestly can't remember) opens up a lot of possibility for still being alive and being a potential major player down the road. Plus it was like, 8,000 years ago, and the stories aren't written down, they are passed on from old lady to old lady. Some of the details may be incorrect.
Also, if you can live to be 8000 years, I doubt a bit of sickle in your neck is much obstacle. I'm not even sure you need to be alive to command an army of undead.
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