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Netherlands6191 Posts
These theories are great, by the way. I could see them as being legit. But in the book from Catelyn's POV she says Jon looked far more like Eddard than any of the children she gave him, which could totally have been because of Lyanna I suppose.
Shae is a very confusing character to me too. It took me completely by surprise that she betrayed Tyrion like that. Additionally, what do you think was the real story behind Joffrey's death? I remember being moderately confused when I read about it and my understanding was that QoT had somehow managed to poison Joff's wine through that little stone that was missing, through Tyrion.
Why would she use Tyrion as her instrument though? To free Sansa from him? Do you think QoT had any genuine interest in Sansa?
Edit: My spelling is shocking. Think I should blame my autocorrect...
Edit2 : Also, why was it necessary to change Jeyne into Talisa? I think the original reasons for Robb marrying Jeyne was better than him 'falling in love'. This changes the plot a bit. I don't like it. I DON'T LIKE DEVIATIONS FROM THE PLOT MR. MARTIN.
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"Tell them the Lannisters send their regards"
nerd chills! How about that for foreshadowing?
Anyway I hope they're done with the Theon scenes for a while. It would be a nice stopping point to have the viewers forget about him for awhile and then all of a sudden Reek shows up and he's unrecognizable.
Think Talisa will be revealed as a spy during the RW?
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didnt like the episode much.....still,great butts 
i only liked Jaimes`s scenes and Brienne`s
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Dem asses
Also, just watched Ep. 8 preview -- is Joffery dying next episode? I completely forgot about that!
Dohohohoho
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What do you guys think are the plans for Theon? In the books, he simply disappears for two books before returning as Reek. They cannot possibly have him tortured for 2-3 whole seasons in the show and do absolutely nothing else with him? There's got to be more to that.
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On May 14 2013 03:32 Conti wrote:
What do you guys think are the plans for Theon? In the books, he simply disappears for two books before returning as Reek. They cannot possibly have him tortured for 2-3 whole seasons in the show and do absolutely nothing else with him? There's got to be more to that.
I like what TheFish recommended -- just leave it at that. Forget about him. And then in a season or two he just comes back as Reek, and all the show people will think it's just a new character and then we're all like OH WAIT THAT'S RAMSAY OH SHIT THEON and it would be great.
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On May 14 2013 02:58 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 02:12 KwarK wrote:On May 14 2013 01:39 Sabu113 wrote:On May 14 2013 01:33 Conti wrote:
Oh, crap. I just realize the chain Tyrion gave to Shae as a gift is, well, the chain. I'm really unhappy that they turned Shae into a jealous bitch that will betray Tyrion for some entirely non-justified jealousy reasons, as that makes Shae a terribly, terribly shallow character, but I still can't wait for those scenes of him killing Shae and then Tywin. Given the actors involved, I'm looking even more forward to that than to the RW. I don't think a whore's a whore would go over well with feminist groups.Probably safer and takes out more ambiguity if she 'loved' him this way. I thought this was kinda the meh episode of the season. Maybe a bit too relationship focused and some of the lines were over wrought. More than a few moments kinda broke the immersion. I'm not a feminist group, just a lone feminist, but I'd much rather she was portrayed as always in control from the outset and using him as a ladder. That's the vibe I always got from bookShae, being a lot more fake and manipulative than showShae, and dumping Tyrion as soon as his fortunes start falling (being dumped as Hand) and jumping at the opportunity of something better (Tywin). They kinda ruined the character when she became a person of trust for Sansa and started being whiney all the time. Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 02:25 Dosey wrote:
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Bran is another candidate, not as a rider, but as the dragon himself. I could actually see Bran warging as the dragon that Jon rides. A POV of when he attempts to warg into the dragon would actually be kind of cool. Aegon could be the 3rd rider as well, assuming he is the real deal. I believe the R+L=J but I'm unsure whether A+J=T is true. A lot of it stems from the assumption that there is more to Tywin's claim that he isn't Tyrion's father than simple rejection of a dwarf as son. But of course it would fit nicely with Tyrion going east.
I thought it was widely accepted that "Rhaegar" is actually Illyrio's son and just part of Illyrio + Varys plan...? There has to be someone who is a "mummer's dragon" and he is the only one that fits the bill.
The second Tyrion chapter in aDwD drops quite a few hints as well.
Tyrion "...your queen's dragons will be larger than Aegon's three..."
Illyrio "Would it were so. A large dragon is much more fearsome than a small one.."
Is this grasping at straws? Perhaps. Perhaps Illyrio knows more than he lets on as well? Varys was Aerys's spider after all. Varys could very well know what Aerys did to Joanna and know of Tyrion's true lineage. It would also explain why Varys goes out of his way to help Tyrion, even at the cost of his position in Kings Landing.
Later in the chapter we get another "hint" of sorts
When he was still a lonely child in the depths of Casterly Rock, he oft rode dragons through the nights, pretending he was some lost Targaryen Princeling...
A fantasy? Possibly. But if dreams have proven anything in aSoiaF, it's that they are often prophetic in nature, which leads me to our next two hints from this chapter.
Tyrion "I had a dream about the queen. I was on my knees before her swearing my allegiance and she mistook me for my brother, Jaime, and fed me to her dragons"
This might actually go down in the way that he dreamed it would, revealing his true nature as a Targaryen as the dragons either refuse to eat him, or save him from execution. Remember how Brown Ben claimed to have a "dabble of Targaryen blood" and this is why the dragons were fond of him? Imagine what would happen if an individual had more than just a "dabble".
Another dream he has in this chapter...
That night Tyrion dreamed of a battle... He had two heads. He slew his father and then he killed his brother, hacking at his face until it was a red ruin, laughing every time he struck a blow. Only when the fight was finished did he realize that his second head was weeping
So, why would he have two heads here? Tyrion is supposedly of pure Lannister descent. Joanna was a Lannister and Tywin was a Lannister. Tyrion also hasn't appeared to have dual personalities either... so why, why would he ever have two heads? And why would one be enjoying the death of Jaime Lannister while the other be saddened by it? I'll tell you why. One head is Targaryen while the other head is Lannister. The Targaryen (more specifically, the Aerys in him) would absolutely love to see Jaime dead and would enjoy the entire process. While the Lannister (Joanna) would be saddened by the death of Jaime.
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So, just saying:
If the show catches up to the books and book 7 will not be out before the show has to finish the series, will that mean that the book readers will avoid the show in order to not get their book-stories spoiled? Wouldn't that be a fantastic turn of events? Where the show watchers are the ones who are spoiling it for the book readers? It's almost poetic in a dumb way, haha.
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On May 14 2013 03:15 DragonLord wrote:
These theories are great, by the way. I could see them as being legit. But in the book from Catelyn's POV she says Jon looked far more like Eddard than any of the children she gave him, which could totally have been because of Lyanna I suppose.
Shae is a very confusing character to me too. It took me completely by surprise that she betrayed Tyrion like that. Additionally, what do you think was the real story behind Joffrey's death? I remember being moderately confused when I read about it and my understanding was that QoT had somehow managed to poison Joff's wine through that little stone that was missing, through Tyrion.
Why would she use Tyrion as her instrument though? To free Sansa from him? Do you think QoT had any genuine interest in Sansa?
Edit: My spelling is shocking. Think I should blame my autocorrect...
Edit2 : Also, why was it necessary to change Jeyne into Talisa? I think the original reasons for Robb marrying Jeyne was better than him 'falling in love'. This changes the plot a bit. I don't like it. I DON'T LIKE DEVIATIONS FROM THE PLOT MR. MARTIN.
Wasn't it revealed that it was a plot between the Tyrells (primarily QoT + Margery) and Littlefinger and that they framed Tyrion?
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On May 14 2013 02:25 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 01:49 DragonLord wrote:On May 14 2013 01:46 InDaHouse wrote:On May 13 2013 18:05 DragonLord wrote:On May 13 2013 17:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On May 13 2013 17:48 DragonLord wrote:On May 13 2013 17:39 armada[sb] wrote:
Definitely 7. Was originally supposed to be three, I believe, and then it became 5 or 6 and then ended up on 7. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we ended up at 8 but George seems to think he can do it in 7.
Him dying before then is worrisome, especially since he said he wouldn't want anyone else to finish it. The show catching up to the books would also be very troublesome. Interesting. The 7th book title change might mean he had a change of plot that the Starks are no longer central to? And that winter will still be upon them. I'm not for deities in the slightest but I think we could get some fairly interesting opinions out of all of you on the Lord of Light (R'hollor?) because he seems pretty legit. I'd totally take over his books though. Bring everyone back to life. If Jon Snow dies I will lose my shit (and yes i know it is implied he may die after being stabbed) because he is bringing the book to life for me. There really isn't any more or less evidence for R'hollor than there is the Drowned God, the Old Gods, etc.. We know for certain these supernatural or seemingly supernatural events occur, but we have no idea if it's actually divine intervention or not. Damphair drowning people and resuscitating them is claimed to be the work of the Drowned God. Warging/Green Dreams/etc are all claimed to be work of the unnamed Old Gods. Reviving the dead/creating magical shadow assassins is claimed to be the work of R'hollor. Whilst all this is true, the actual threat to the realm are the Others, which only R'hollor seems to be the counter to? Unless everyone in Westeros is given dragon glass, it seems unlikely there is any other way to deal with this threat. The Drowned God doesn't have much effect in the book to me - his powers seem to only be of any use under the water (if he has powers?) I think the Damphair is a bit of a nutter to be honest. The Old Gods would have to be my favourite as they do not demand sacrifices or any sort of special treatment (and the New Gods are... what? I think they are a bit useless but maybe I am just a little biased), but they don't seem to have any powers. Think it will be very interesting if it has anything to do with Bran's personal adventure. It is stated in the books that dragonglass and swords of Valyrian steel can kill White Walkers/the Others. My guess is that Dragonfire (Daenerys dragons) will also have that deadly impact. Therefore I rather believe that the three Dragons with riders will save Westeros than R'hllor. I completely forgot about that, thanks for pointing it out. That is very valid and quite a predictable plot twist. I would like to know who the other two are. Fairly sure Jon is one of them (if he doesn't die). And I am almost certain he is related to Dany in some way. Jon and Tyrion are both hinted at being of Targaryen descent. (R+L=J and A+J=T) And all three are born of mothers that died shortly after their birth. Those two are the clear front runners as the 2nd and 3rd heads of the dragon. Bran is another candidate, not as a rider, but as the dragon himself. I could actually see Bran warging as the dragon that Jon rides. A POV of when he attempts to warg into the dragon would actually be kind of cool.
According to the theory about Tyrion, so who are supposed to be his parents? I think he is a canididate to be a rider of one of the dragons because he is the one living person in Westeros that has most knowledge about Dragons in general.
Ps: Don't forget about the Euron Greyjoy and his magic Horn that is said to control the Dragons, that will also be connected for the outcome of the Dragons as well  . Ds
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Netherlands6191 Posts
On May 14 2013 03:41 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 03:15 DragonLord wrote:
These theories are great, by the way. I could see them as being legit. But in the book from Catelyn's POV she says Jon looked far more like Eddard than any of the children she gave him, which could totally have been because of Lyanna I suppose.
Shae is a very confusing character to me too. It took me completely by surprise that she betrayed Tyrion like that. Additionally, what do you think was the real story behind Joffrey's death? I remember being moderately confused when I read about it and my understanding was that QoT had somehow managed to poison Joff's wine through that little stone that was missing, through Tyrion.
Why would she use Tyrion as her instrument though? To free Sansa from him? Do you think QoT had any genuine interest in Sansa?
Edit: My spelling is shocking. Think I should blame my autocorrect...
Edit2 : Also, why was it necessary to change Jeyne into Talisa? I think the original reasons for Robb marrying Jeyne was better than him 'falling in love'. This changes the plot a bit. I don't like it. I DON'T LIKE DEVIATIONS FROM THE PLOT MR. MARTIN. Wasn't it revealed that it was a plot between the Tyrells (primarily QoT + Margery) and Littlefinger and that they framed Tyrion?
I really can't remember that part, but you are quite possibly right. Alot of the reading I did I was half asleep due to late hours, so it could very easily had slipped me by. Whilst I am questioning things, was there any point to the scenes with the Martell girls? I remember it involved Myrcella but I can't remember what the whole point was. I guess thats what google is for, but I mean, was there any point in that attempted kidnapping?
Edit: Also, I meant more how did QoT manage that with Joffrey and Tyrion? She is a sly woman.
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On May 14 2013 03:50 InDaHouse wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 02:25 Dosey wrote:On May 14 2013 01:49 DragonLord wrote:On May 14 2013 01:46 InDaHouse wrote:On May 13 2013 18:05 DragonLord wrote:On May 13 2013 17:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On May 13 2013 17:48 DragonLord wrote:On May 13 2013 17:39 armada[sb] wrote:
Definitely 7. Was originally supposed to be three, I believe, and then it became 5 or 6 and then ended up on 7. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we ended up at 8 but George seems to think he can do it in 7.
Him dying before then is worrisome, especially since he said he wouldn't want anyone else to finish it. The show catching up to the books would also be very troublesome. Interesting. The 7th book title change might mean he had a change of plot that the Starks are no longer central to? And that winter will still be upon them. I'm not for deities in the slightest but I think we could get some fairly interesting opinions out of all of you on the Lord of Light (R'hollor?) because he seems pretty legit. I'd totally take over his books though. Bring everyone back to life. If Jon Snow dies I will lose my shit (and yes i know it is implied he may die after being stabbed) because he is bringing the book to life for me. There really isn't any more or less evidence for R'hollor than there is the Drowned God, the Old Gods, etc.. We know for certain these supernatural or seemingly supernatural events occur, but we have no idea if it's actually divine intervention or not. Damphair drowning people and resuscitating them is claimed to be the work of the Drowned God. Warging/Green Dreams/etc are all claimed to be work of the unnamed Old Gods. Reviving the dead/creating magical shadow assassins is claimed to be the work of R'hollor. Whilst all this is true, the actual threat to the realm are the Others, which only R'hollor seems to be the counter to? Unless everyone in Westeros is given dragon glass, it seems unlikely there is any other way to deal with this threat. The Drowned God doesn't have much effect in the book to me - his powers seem to only be of any use under the water (if he has powers?) I think the Damphair is a bit of a nutter to be honest. The Old Gods would have to be my favourite as they do not demand sacrifices or any sort of special treatment (and the New Gods are... what? I think they are a bit useless but maybe I am just a little biased), but they don't seem to have any powers. Think it will be very interesting if it has anything to do with Bran's personal adventure. It is stated in the books that dragonglass and swords of Valyrian steel can kill White Walkers/the Others. My guess is that Dragonfire (Daenerys dragons) will also have that deadly impact. Therefore I rather believe that the three Dragons with riders will save Westeros than R'hllor. I completely forgot about that, thanks for pointing it out. That is very valid and quite a predictable plot twist. I would like to know who the other two are. Fairly sure Jon is one of them (if he doesn't die). And I am almost certain he is related to Dany in some way. Jon and Tyrion are both hinted at being of Targaryen descent. (R+L=J and A+J=T) And all three are born of mothers that died shortly after their birth. Those two are the clear front runners as the 2nd and 3rd heads of the dragon. Bran is another candidate, not as a rider, but as the dragon himself. I could actually see Bran warging as the dragon that Jon rides. A POV of when he attempts to warg into the dragon would actually be kind of cool. According to the theory about Tyrion, so who are supposed to be his parents? I think he is a canididate to be a rider of one of the dragons because he is the one living person in Westeros that has most knowledge about Dragons in general. Ps: Don't forget about the Euron Greyjoy and his magic Horn that is said to control the Dragons, that will also be connected for the outcome of the Dragons as well . Ds
Aerys Targaryen and Joanna Lannister (Tywins wife) it is referenced many times that King Aerys lusted after Joanna. It is possible that he either forced her to lay with him (under the threat of killing her husband) or he simply seduced her.
You have to admit that Jon, Dany, and Tyrion all having their mothers die while in labor with them is also very strange.
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Netherlands6191 Posts
On May 14 2013 03:55 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 03:50 InDaHouse wrote:On May 14 2013 02:25 Dosey wrote:On May 14 2013 01:49 DragonLord wrote:On May 14 2013 01:46 InDaHouse wrote:On May 13 2013 18:05 DragonLord wrote:On May 13 2013 17:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On May 13 2013 17:48 DragonLord wrote:On May 13 2013 17:39 armada[sb] wrote:
Definitely 7. Was originally supposed to be three, I believe, and then it became 5 or 6 and then ended up on 7. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we ended up at 8 but George seems to think he can do it in 7.
Him dying before then is worrisome, especially since he said he wouldn't want anyone else to finish it. The show catching up to the books would also be very troublesome. Interesting. The 7th book title change might mean he had a change of plot that the Starks are no longer central to? And that winter will still be upon them. I'm not for deities in the slightest but I think we could get some fairly interesting opinions out of all of you on the Lord of Light (R'hollor?) because he seems pretty legit. I'd totally take over his books though. Bring everyone back to life. If Jon Snow dies I will lose my shit (and yes i know it is implied he may die after being stabbed) because he is bringing the book to life for me. There really isn't any more or less evidence for R'hollor than there is the Drowned God, the Old Gods, etc.. We know for certain these supernatural or seemingly supernatural events occur, but we have no idea if it's actually divine intervention or not. Damphair drowning people and resuscitating them is claimed to be the work of the Drowned God. Warging/Green Dreams/etc are all claimed to be work of the unnamed Old Gods. Reviving the dead/creating magical shadow assassins is claimed to be the work of R'hollor. Whilst all this is true, the actual threat to the realm are the Others, which only R'hollor seems to be the counter to? Unless everyone in Westeros is given dragon glass, it seems unlikely there is any other way to deal with this threat. The Drowned God doesn't have much effect in the book to me - his powers seem to only be of any use under the water (if he has powers?) I think the Damphair is a bit of a nutter to be honest. The Old Gods would have to be my favourite as they do not demand sacrifices or any sort of special treatment (and the New Gods are... what? I think they are a bit useless but maybe I am just a little biased), but they don't seem to have any powers. Think it will be very interesting if it has anything to do with Bran's personal adventure. It is stated in the books that dragonglass and swords of Valyrian steel can kill White Walkers/the Others. My guess is that Dragonfire (Daenerys dragons) will also have that deadly impact. Therefore I rather believe that the three Dragons with riders will save Westeros than R'hllor. I completely forgot about that, thanks for pointing it out. That is very valid and quite a predictable plot twist. I would like to know who the other two are. Fairly sure Jon is one of them (if he doesn't die). And I am almost certain he is related to Dany in some way. Jon and Tyrion are both hinted at being of Targaryen descent. (R+L=J and A+J=T) And all three are born of mothers that died shortly after their birth. Those two are the clear front runners as the 2nd and 3rd heads of the dragon. Bran is another candidate, not as a rider, but as the dragon himself. I could actually see Bran warging as the dragon that Jon rides. A POV of when he attempts to warg into the dragon would actually be kind of cool. According to the theory about Tyrion, so who are supposed to be his parents? I think he is a canididate to be a rider of one of the dragons because he is the one living person in Westeros that has most knowledge about Dragons in general. Ps: Don't forget about the Euron Greyjoy and his magic Horn that is said to control the Dragons, that will also be connected for the outcome of the Dragons as well . Ds Aerys Targaryen and Joanna Lannister (Tywins wife) it is referenced many times that King Aerys lusted after Joanna. It is possible that he either forced her to lay with him (under the threat of killing her husband) or he simply seduced her. You have to admit that Jon, Dany, and Tyrion all having their mothers die while in labor with them is also very strange.
I don't recall it being explicitly stated that Jon's mother died though? But that was probably me being half asleep during reading... again. The only references I can remember to her at all were what Arya was told when she was travelling.
I like The Hound. He is very misunderstood. I wish there had been a chapter or two from his POV because I found him a fascinating character and would have liked more development.
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Austria24422 Posts
God I hope they cast Euron right. I wound up loving his character for some reason. He's pure madness and chaos and I love it.
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On May 14 2013 03:58 DragonLord wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 03:55 Dosey wrote:On May 14 2013 03:50 InDaHouse wrote:On May 14 2013 02:25 Dosey wrote:On May 14 2013 01:49 DragonLord wrote:On May 14 2013 01:46 InDaHouse wrote:On May 13 2013 18:05 DragonLord wrote:On May 13 2013 17:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On May 13 2013 17:48 DragonLord wrote:On May 13 2013 17:39 armada[sb] wrote:
Definitely 7. Was originally supposed to be three, I believe, and then it became 5 or 6 and then ended up on 7. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we ended up at 8 but George seems to think he can do it in 7.
Him dying before then is worrisome, especially since he said he wouldn't want anyone else to finish it. The show catching up to the books would also be very troublesome. Interesting. The 7th book title change might mean he had a change of plot that the Starks are no longer central to? And that winter will still be upon them. I'm not for deities in the slightest but I think we could get some fairly interesting opinions out of all of you on the Lord of Light (R'hollor?) because he seems pretty legit. I'd totally take over his books though. Bring everyone back to life. If Jon Snow dies I will lose my shit (and yes i know it is implied he may die after being stabbed) because he is bringing the book to life for me. There really isn't any more or less evidence for R'hollor than there is the Drowned God, the Old Gods, etc.. We know for certain these supernatural or seemingly supernatural events occur, but we have no idea if it's actually divine intervention or not. Damphair drowning people and resuscitating them is claimed to be the work of the Drowned God. Warging/Green Dreams/etc are all claimed to be work of the unnamed Old Gods. Reviving the dead/creating magical shadow assassins is claimed to be the work of R'hollor. Whilst all this is true, the actual threat to the realm are the Others, which only R'hollor seems to be the counter to? Unless everyone in Westeros is given dragon glass, it seems unlikely there is any other way to deal with this threat. The Drowned God doesn't have much effect in the book to me - his powers seem to only be of any use under the water (if he has powers?) I think the Damphair is a bit of a nutter to be honest. The Old Gods would have to be my favourite as they do not demand sacrifices or any sort of special treatment (and the New Gods are... what? I think they are a bit useless but maybe I am just a little biased), but they don't seem to have any powers. Think it will be very interesting if it has anything to do with Bran's personal adventure. It is stated in the books that dragonglass and swords of Valyrian steel can kill White Walkers/the Others. My guess is that Dragonfire (Daenerys dragons) will also have that deadly impact. Therefore I rather believe that the three Dragons with riders will save Westeros than R'hllor. I completely forgot about that, thanks for pointing it out. That is very valid and quite a predictable plot twist. I would like to know who the other two are. Fairly sure Jon is one of them (if he doesn't die). And I am almost certain he is related to Dany in some way. Jon and Tyrion are both hinted at being of Targaryen descent. (R+L=J and A+J=T) And all three are born of mothers that died shortly after their birth. Those two are the clear front runners as the 2nd and 3rd heads of the dragon. Bran is another candidate, not as a rider, but as the dragon himself. I could actually see Bran warging as the dragon that Jon rides. A POV of when he attempts to warg into the dragon would actually be kind of cool. According to the theory about Tyrion, so who are supposed to be his parents? I think he is a canididate to be a rider of one of the dragons because he is the one living person in Westeros that has most knowledge about Dragons in general. Ps: Don't forget about the Euron Greyjoy and his magic Horn that is said to control the Dragons, that will also be connected for the outcome of the Dragons as well . Ds Aerys Targaryen and Joanna Lannister (Tywins wife) it is referenced many times that King Aerys lusted after Joanna. It is possible that he either forced her to lay with him (under the threat of killing her husband) or he simply seduced her. You have to admit that Jon, Dany, and Tyrion all having their mothers die while in labor with them is also very strange. I don't recall it being explicitly stated that Jon's mother died though? But that was probably me being half asleep during reading... again. The only references I can remember to her at all were what Arya was told when she was travelling. I like The Hound. He is very misunderstood. I wish there had been a chapter or two from his POV because I found him a fascinating character and would have liked more development.
Not directly, but with the smart money on Lyanna being Jon's mother, Lyanna's death after the battle at the Tower of Joy, where she died with a high fever and bathed in her own blood (very highly doubt that she was stabbed by a member of the Kingsguard) from child labor seem to implicate as such.
Edit: Look like episode 8 is Tyrion/Sansa's wedding, and Sam meets up with Coldhands. I guess the guy Dany meets is Daario???
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On May 14 2013 04:10 sung_moon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 03:58 DragonLord wrote:On May 14 2013 03:55 Dosey wrote:On May 14 2013 03:50 InDaHouse wrote:On May 14 2013 02:25 Dosey wrote:On May 14 2013 01:49 DragonLord wrote:On May 14 2013 01:46 InDaHouse wrote:On May 13 2013 18:05 DragonLord wrote:On May 13 2013 17:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On May 13 2013 17:48 DragonLord wrote:
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Interesting. The 7th book title change might mean he had a change of plot that the Starks are no longer central to? And that winter will still be upon them. I'm not for deities in the slightest but I think we could get some fairly interesting opinions out of all of you on the Lord of Light (R'hollor?) because he seems pretty legit.
I'd totally take over his books though. Bring everyone back to life. If Jon Snow dies I will lose my shit (and yes i know it is implied he may die after being stabbed) because he is bringing the book to life for me. There really isn't any more or less evidence for R'hollor than there is the Drowned God, the Old Gods, etc.. We know for certain these supernatural or seemingly supernatural events occur, but we have no idea if it's actually divine intervention or not. Damphair drowning people and resuscitating them is claimed to be the work of the Drowned God. Warging/Green Dreams/etc are all claimed to be work of the unnamed Old Gods. Reviving the dead/creating magical shadow assassins is claimed to be the work of R'hollor. Whilst all this is true, the actual threat to the realm are the Others, which only R'hollor seems to be the counter to? Unless everyone in Westeros is given dragon glass, it seems unlikely there is any other way to deal with this threat. The Drowned God doesn't have much effect in the book to me - his powers seem to only be of any use under the water (if he has powers?) I think the Damphair is a bit of a nutter to be honest. The Old Gods would have to be my favourite as they do not demand sacrifices or any sort of special treatment (and the New Gods are... what? I think they are a bit useless but maybe I am just a little biased), but they don't seem to have any powers. Think it will be very interesting if it has anything to do with Bran's personal adventure. It is stated in the books that dragonglass and swords of Valyrian steel can kill White Walkers/the Others. My guess is that Dragonfire (Daenerys dragons) will also have that deadly impact. Therefore I rather believe that the three Dragons with riders will save Westeros than R'hllor. I completely forgot about that, thanks for pointing it out. That is very valid and quite a predictable plot twist. I would like to know who the other two are. Fairly sure Jon is one of them (if he doesn't die). And I am almost certain he is related to Dany in some way. Jon and Tyrion are both hinted at being of Targaryen descent. (R+L=J and A+J=T) And all three are born of mothers that died shortly after their birth. Those two are the clear front runners as the 2nd and 3rd heads of the dragon. Bran is another candidate, not as a rider, but as the dragon himself. I could actually see Bran warging as the dragon that Jon rides. A POV of when he attempts to warg into the dragon would actually be kind of cool. According to the theory about Tyrion, so who are supposed to be his parents? I think he is a canididate to be a rider of one of the dragons because he is the one living person in Westeros that has most knowledge about Dragons in general. Ps: Don't forget about the Euron Greyjoy and his magic Horn that is said to control the Dragons, that will also be connected for the outcome of the Dragons as well . Ds Aerys Targaryen and Joanna Lannister (Tywins wife) it is referenced many times that King Aerys lusted after Joanna. It is possible that he either forced her to lay with him (under the threat of killing her husband) or he simply seduced her. You have to admit that Jon, Dany, and Tyrion all having their mothers die while in labor with them is also very strange. I don't recall it being explicitly stated that Jon's mother died though? But that was probably me being half asleep during reading... again. The only references I can remember to her at all were what Arya was told when she was travelling. I like The Hound. He is very misunderstood. I wish there had been a chapter or two from his POV because I found him a fascinating character and would have liked more development. Not directly, but with the smart money on Lyanna being Jon's mother, Lyanna's death after the battle at the Tower of Joy, where she died with a high fever and bathed in her own blood (very highly doubt that she was stabbed by a member of the Kingsguard) from child labor seem to implicate as such. Edit: Look like episode 8 is Tyrion/Sansa's wedding, and Sam meets up with Coldhands. I guess the guy Dany meets is Daario???
The episode is called the second sons, so I would assume that is the Titan's Bastard
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On May 13 2013 19:37 Zeon0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 17:33 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On May 13 2013 17:31 DragonLord wrote:On May 13 2013 17:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On May 13 2013 17:23 DannyJ wrote:
I hope George finishes book 6 before he dies... 6 is pretty safe right now. I'm more worried about 7. Will there be a 7? I thought i read somewhere that he would stop on 6. But yeah I am a bit worried he won't make seven and if he does, what will the quality be like? You know, like 0 original characters left? In some ways I hope he becomes immortal so he can write forever. Other times I hope he dies just as painfully as his characters >_< Definitely 7. 6 is titled "The Winds of Winter" 7 is titled "A Dream of Spring" + Show Spoiler +(Originally titled "A Time for Wolves") I read somewhere that he told the planned rough story to someone else, so even if he dies someone else can complete the series. But I forgot details, maybe some of you guys know more?
For the show, not for the books.
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Austria24422 Posts
On May 14 2013 04:17 scudst0rm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 04:10 sung_moon wrote:On May 14 2013 03:58 DragonLord wrote:On May 14 2013 03:55 Dosey wrote:On May 14 2013 03:50 InDaHouse wrote:On May 14 2013 02:25 Dosey wrote:On May 14 2013 01:49 DragonLord wrote:On May 14 2013 01:46 InDaHouse wrote:On May 13 2013 18:05 DragonLord wrote:On May 13 2013 17:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
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There really isn't any more or less evidence for R'hollor than there is the Drowned God, the Old Gods, etc..
We know for certain these supernatural or seemingly supernatural events occur, but we have no idea if it's actually divine intervention or not.
Damphair drowning people and resuscitating them is claimed to be the work of the Drowned God.
Warging/Green Dreams/etc are all claimed to be work of the unnamed Old Gods.
Reviving the dead/creating magical shadow assassins is claimed to be the work of R'hollor. Whilst all this is true, the actual threat to the realm are the Others, which only R'hollor seems to be the counter to? Unless everyone in Westeros is given dragon glass, it seems unlikely there is any other way to deal with this threat. The Drowned God doesn't have much effect in the book to me - his powers seem to only be of any use under the water (if he has powers?) I think the Damphair is a bit of a nutter to be honest. The Old Gods would have to be my favourite as they do not demand sacrifices or any sort of special treatment (and the New Gods are... what? I think they are a bit useless but maybe I am just a little biased), but they don't seem to have any powers. Think it will be very interesting if it has anything to do with Bran's personal adventure. It is stated in the books that dragonglass and swords of Valyrian steel can kill White Walkers/the Others. My guess is that Dragonfire (Daenerys dragons) will also have that deadly impact. Therefore I rather believe that the three Dragons with riders will save Westeros than R'hllor. I completely forgot about that, thanks for pointing it out. That is very valid and quite a predictable plot twist. I would like to know who the other two are. Fairly sure Jon is one of them (if he doesn't die). And I am almost certain he is related to Dany in some way. Jon and Tyrion are both hinted at being of Targaryen descent. (R+L=J and A+J=T) And all three are born of mothers that died shortly after their birth. Those two are the clear front runners as the 2nd and 3rd heads of the dragon. Bran is another candidate, not as a rider, but as the dragon himself. I could actually see Bran warging as the dragon that Jon rides. A POV of when he attempts to warg into the dragon would actually be kind of cool. According to the theory about Tyrion, so who are supposed to be his parents? I think he is a canididate to be a rider of one of the dragons because he is the one living person in Westeros that has most knowledge about Dragons in general. Ps: Don't forget about the Euron Greyjoy and his magic Horn that is said to control the Dragons, that will also be connected for the outcome of the Dragons as well . Ds Aerys Targaryen and Joanna Lannister (Tywins wife) it is referenced many times that King Aerys lusted after Joanna. It is possible that he either forced her to lay with him (under the threat of killing her husband) or he simply seduced her. You have to admit that Jon, Dany, and Tyrion all having their mothers die while in labor with them is also very strange. I don't recall it being explicitly stated that Jon's mother died though? But that was probably me being half asleep during reading... again. The only references I can remember to her at all were what Arya was told when she was travelling. I like The Hound. He is very misunderstood. I wish there had been a chapter or two from his POV because I found him a fascinating character and would have liked more development. Not directly, but with the smart money on Lyanna being Jon's mother, Lyanna's death after the battle at the Tower of Joy, where she died with a high fever and bathed in her own blood (very highly doubt that she was stabbed by a member of the Kingsguard) from child labor seem to implicate as such. Edit: Look like episode 8 is Tyrion/Sansa's wedding, and Sam meets up with Coldhands. I guess the guy Dany meets is Daario??? The episode is called the second sons, so I would assume that is the Titan's Bastard
Yeah I would think so. Should also have the Tyrion/Sansa wedding.
Episode 9 is called The Rains of Castamere so we all know what that means.
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Netherlands6191 Posts
On May 14 2013 04:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 04:17 scudst0rm wrote:On May 14 2013 04:10 sung_moon wrote:On May 14 2013 03:58 DragonLord wrote:On May 14 2013 03:55 Dosey wrote:On May 14 2013 03:50 InDaHouse wrote:On May 14 2013 02:25 Dosey wrote:On May 14 2013 01:49 DragonLord wrote:On May 14 2013 01:46 InDaHouse wrote:On May 13 2013 18:05 DragonLord wrote:
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Whilst all this is true, the actual threat to the realm are the Others, which only R'hollor seems to be the counter to? Unless everyone in Westeros is given dragon glass, it seems unlikely there is any other way to deal with this threat. The Drowned God doesn't have much effect in the book to me - his powers seem to only be of any use under the water (if he has powers?) I think the Damphair is a bit of a nutter to be honest. The Old Gods would have to be my favourite as they do not demand sacrifices or any sort of special treatment (and the New Gods are... what? I think they are a bit useless but maybe I am just a little biased), but they don't seem to have any powers. Think it will be very interesting if it has anything to do with Bran's personal adventure. It is stated in the books that dragonglass and swords of Valyrian steel can kill White Walkers/the Others. My guess is that Dragonfire (Daenerys dragons) will also have that deadly impact. Therefore I rather believe that the three Dragons with riders will save Westeros than R'hllor. I completely forgot about that, thanks for pointing it out. That is very valid and quite a predictable plot twist. I would like to know who the other two are. Fairly sure Jon is one of them (if he doesn't die). And I am almost certain he is related to Dany in some way. Jon and Tyrion are both hinted at being of Targaryen descent. (R+L=J and A+J=T) And all three are born of mothers that died shortly after their birth. Those two are the clear front runners as the 2nd and 3rd heads of the dragon. Bran is another candidate, not as a rider, but as the dragon himself. I could actually see Bran warging as the dragon that Jon rides. A POV of when he attempts to warg into the dragon would actually be kind of cool. According to the theory about Tyrion, so who are supposed to be his parents? I think he is a canididate to be a rider of one of the dragons because he is the one living person in Westeros that has most knowledge about Dragons in general. Ps: Don't forget about the Euron Greyjoy and his magic Horn that is said to control the Dragons, that will also be connected for the outcome of the Dragons as well . Ds Aerys Targaryen and Joanna Lannister (Tywins wife) it is referenced many times that King Aerys lusted after Joanna. It is possible that he either forced her to lay with him (under the threat of killing her husband) or he simply seduced her. You have to admit that Jon, Dany, and Tyrion all having their mothers die while in labor with them is also very strange. I don't recall it being explicitly stated that Jon's mother died though? But that was probably me being half asleep during reading... again. The only references I can remember to her at all were what Arya was told when she was travelling. I like The Hound. He is very misunderstood. I wish there had been a chapter or two from his POV because I found him a fascinating character and would have liked more development. Not directly, but with the smart money on Lyanna being Jon's mother, Lyanna's death after the battle at the Tower of Joy, where she died with a high fever and bathed in her own blood (very highly doubt that she was stabbed by a member of the Kingsguard) from child labor seem to implicate as such. Edit: Look like episode 8 is Tyrion/Sansa's wedding, and Sam meets up with Coldhands. I guess the guy Dany meets is Daario??? The episode is called the second sons, so I would assume that is the Titan's Bastard Yeah I would think so. Should also have the Tyrion/Sansa wedding. Episode 9 is called The Rains of Castamere so we all know what that means.
I both dread and look forward to that episode. PLEASE don't mess it up producers! If they show the wolfs head on Robb's body I will probably be sick. Had way too many dreams about it - ever since reading about it when Dany sees it in the vision in the House of the Undying.
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I just want Episode 9 to be as brutal and unforgiving as possible. As much as I liked all the Stark characters, I'll enjoy the non-book reader's reactions even more.
Hoping for a good "Jaime Lannister sends his regards", followed by Roose plunging a knife into Robb's heart, as well as Grey Wind's head (wearing a mock crown) on Robb's shoulders while the picture fades to black as the episode ends.
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