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On May 13 2013 17:39 armada[sb] wrote: Definitely 7. Was originally supposed to be three, I believe, and then it became 5 or 6 and then ended up on 7. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we ended up at 8 but George seems to think he can do it in 7.
Him dying before then is worrisome, especially since he said he wouldn't want anyone else to finish it. The show catching up to the books would also be very troublesome.
Interesting. The 7th book title change might mean he had a change of plot that the Starks are no longer central to? And that winter will still be upon them. I'm not for deities in the slightest but I think we could get some fairly interesting opinions out of all of you on the Lord of Light (R'hollor?) because he seems pretty legit.
I'd totally take over his books though. Bring everyone back to life. If Jon Snow dies I will lose my shit (and yes i know it is implied he may die after being stabbed) because he is bringing the book to life for me.
There really isn't any more or less evidence for R'hollor than there is the Drowned God, the Old Gods, etc..
We know for certain these supernatural or seemingly supernatural events occur, but we have no idea if it's actually divine intervention or not.
Damphair drowning people and resuscitating them is claimed to be the work of the Drowned God. Warging/Green Dreams/etc are all claimed to be work of the unnamed Old Gods. Reviving the dead/creating magical shadow assassins is claimed to be the work of R'hollor.
Whilst all this is true, the actual threat to the realm are the Others, which only R'hollor seems to be the counter to? Unless everyone in Westeros is given dragon glass, it seems unlikely there is any other way to deal with this threat. The Drowned God doesn't have much effect in the book to me - his powers seem to only be of any use under the water (if he has powers?) I think the Damphair is a bit of a nutter to be honest. The Old Gods would have to be my favourite as they do not demand sacrifices or any sort of special treatment (and the New Gods are... what? I think they are a bit useless but maybe I am just a little biased), but they don't seem to have any powers. Think it will be very interesting if it has anything to do with Bran's personal adventure.
It is stated in the books that dragonglass and swords of Valyrian steel can kill White Walkers/the Others. My guess is that Dragonfire (Daenerys dragons) will also have that deadly impact.
Therefore I rather believe that the three Dragons with riders will save Westeros than R'hllor.
I completely forgot about that, thanks for pointing it out. That is very valid and quite a predictable plot twist. I would like to know who the other two are. Fairly sure Jon is one of them (if he doesn't die). And I am almost certain he is related to Dany in some way.
Jon and Tyrion are both hinted at being of Targaryen descent. (R+L=J and A+J=T) And all three are born of mothers that died shortly after their birth. Those two are the clear front runners as the 2nd and 3rd heads of the dragon.
Bran is another candidate, not as a rider, but as the dragon himself. I could actually see Bran warging as the dragon that Jon rides. A POV of when he attempts to warg into the dragon would actually be kind of cool.
According to the theory about Tyrion, so who are supposed to be his parents? I think he is a canididate to be a rider of one of the dragons because he is the one living person in Westeros that has most knowledge about Dragons in general.
Ps: Don't forget about the Euron Greyjoy and his magic Horn that is said to control the Dragons, that will also be connected for the outcome of the Dragons as well . Ds
Aerys Targaryen and Joanna Lannister (Tywins wife) it is referenced many times that King Aerys lusted after Joanna. It is possible that he either forced her to lay with him (under the threat of killing her husband) or he simply seduced her.
You have to admit that Jon, Dany, and Tyrion all having their mothers die while in labor with them is also very strange.
Yes, that makes sense, now I remember some of the hints.
But people here don't theorycraft alot about Euron Greyjoys/Victarion part in the development of Daenerys Dragons and their influence about solving the Mereeneese knot. Since Euron has been raiding and discovering the old ruins of the feared Valyria I think he has much more knowledge of about this Old Empire and their secrets than people realize now. Maybe he found more artefacts than this magic horn? He has also captured warlocks from Qarth and they have teached him arts of black magic.
On May 13 2013 17:39 armada[sb] wrote: Definitely 7. Was originally supposed to be three, I believe, and then it became 5 or 6 and then ended up on 7. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we ended up at 8 but George seems to think he can do it in 7.
Him dying before then is worrisome, especially since he said he wouldn't want anyone else to finish it. The show catching up to the books would also be very troublesome.
Interesting. The 7th book title change might mean he had a change of plot that the Starks are no longer central to? And that winter will still be upon them. I'm not for deities in the slightest but I think we could get some fairly interesting opinions out of all of you on the Lord of Light (R'hollor?) because he seems pretty legit.
I'd totally take over his books though. Bring everyone back to life. If Jon Snow dies I will lose my shit (and yes i know it is implied he may die after being stabbed) because he is bringing the book to life for me.
There really isn't any more or less evidence for R'hollor than there is the Drowned God, the Old Gods, etc..
We know for certain these supernatural or seemingly supernatural events occur, but we have no idea if it's actually divine intervention or not.
Damphair drowning people and resuscitating them is claimed to be the work of the Drowned God. Warging/Green Dreams/etc are all claimed to be work of the unnamed Old Gods. Reviving the dead/creating magical shadow assassins is claimed to be the work of R'hollor.
Whilst all this is true, the actual threat to the realm are the Others, which only R'hollor seems to be the counter to? Unless everyone in Westeros is given dragon glass, it seems unlikely there is any other way to deal with this threat. The Drowned God doesn't have much effect in the book to me - his powers seem to only be of any use under the water (if he has powers?) I think the Damphair is a bit of a nutter to be honest. The Old Gods would have to be my favourite as they do not demand sacrifices or any sort of special treatment (and the New Gods are... what? I think they are a bit useless but maybe I am just a little biased), but they don't seem to have any powers. Think it will be very interesting if it has anything to do with Bran's personal adventure.
It is stated in the books that dragonglass and swords of Valyrian steel can kill White Walkers/the Others. My guess is that Dragonfire (Daenerys dragons) will also have that deadly impact.
Therefore I rather believe that the three Dragons with riders will save Westeros than R'hllor.
I completely forgot about that, thanks for pointing it out. That is very valid and quite a predictable plot twist. I would like to know who the other two are. Fairly sure Jon is one of them (if he doesn't die). And I am almost certain he is related to Dany in some way.
Jon and Tyrion are both hinted at being of Targaryen descent. (R+L=J and A+J=T) And all three are born of mothers that died shortly after their birth. Those two are the clear front runners as the 2nd and 3rd heads of the dragon.
Bran is another candidate, not as a rider, but as the dragon himself. I could actually see Bran warging as the dragon that Jon rides. A POV of when he attempts to warg into the dragon would actually be kind of cool.
According to the theory about Tyrion, so who are supposed to be his parents? I think he is a canididate to be a rider of one of the dragons because he is the one living person in Westeros that has most knowledge about Dragons in general.
Ps: Don't forget about the Euron Greyjoy and his magic Horn that is said to control the Dragons, that will also be connected for the outcome of the Dragons as well . Ds
Aerys Targaryen and Joanna Lannister (Tywins wife) it is referenced many times that King Aerys lusted after Joanna. It is possible that he either forced her to lay with him (under the threat of killing her husband) or he simply seduced her.
You have to admit that Jon, Dany, and Tyrion all having their mothers die while in labor with them is also very strange.
Yes, that makes sense, now I remember some of the hints.
But people here don't theorycraft alot about Euron Greyjoys/Victarion part in the development of Daenerys Dragons and their influence about solving the Mereeneese knot. Since Euron has been raiding and discovering the old ruins of the feared Valyria I think he has much more knowledge of about this Old Empire and their secrets than people realize now. Maybe he found more artefacts than this magic horn? He has also captured warlocks from Qarth and they have teached him arts of black magic.
I have always seen Euron as an antagonist to Dany, trying to wrestle control of the Dragons from her and ultimately failing.
On May 14 2013 04:36 sung_moon wrote: I just want Episode 9 to be as brutal and unforgiving as possible. As much as I liked all the Stark characters, I'll enjoy the non-book reader's reactions even more.
Hoping for a good "Jaime Lannister sends his regards", followed by Roose plunging a knife into Robb's heart, as well as Grey Wind's head (wearing a mock crown) on Robb's shoulders while the picture fades to black as the episode ends.
A really nice touch would be to have Roose's head covered in a helm, so that his face is obscured. That way it takes a little bit of thinking (by using the quote) to figure out that the one who actually kills Robb is Roose Bolton himself, just like in the books.
On May 14 2013 05:55 PredY wrote: i wonder what's the ep 10 cliffhanger gonna be? maybe Sam and an Other?
Maybe we'll see the Brotherhood find Catelyn, and Beric/Thoros reviving her?
Hmm, but that would mean that they would spend an entire episode before they would go back to Thoros finding Catelyn. Would make for slightly awkward timing.
On May 14 2013 06:22 Odoakar wrote: I feel sorry for the people who think the current episodes are too slow-paced.
Wait till we get to Dany acting like a Book I Sansa and Tyrion piggyback riding his way to the East. Last two books were just so incredibly boring.
Well, since books 4 and 5 are concurrent, I would hope they can mix some of the slow bits (i.e. all of Dany) with the more interesting parts (Jaime's bits, Arya's training).
On May 14 2013 06:50 farvacola wrote: Damnit I want to tell all the people in the show thread that the Theon torture scenes are so worth it in the end, but I shan't
And I guess even readers aren't quite sure yet, and if Martin kills Theon off I'll change my opinion.
You would think after 3 seasons, they would know in a show where literally everything has a purpose that someone being tortured mercilessly episode after episode has a purpose.
On May 14 2013 06:50 farvacola wrote: Damnit I want to tell all the people in the show thread that the Theon torture scenes are so worth it in the end, but I shan't
And I guess even readers aren't quite sure yet, and if Martin kills Theon off I'll change my opinion.
It would be quite weird if he were to live, I mean he is quite literally almost destroyed.
On May 14 2013 06:43 Fruscainte wrote: Don't really know if this is appropriate to post in the other thread, but this is a very well put together video
Turn on annotations. I fucking love this show and all dem hints.
yeah totally agree with this, we were so focused on seeing the reactions of the non-book readers when the RW happens that we almost forget who we are dealing with here...GRRM
EPT
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