[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion - Page 239

On April 01 2013 22:00 0x64 wrote:
Wow, cool episode.

A lot of hater here, but most of the hater are really complaining about details and nuances that makes the book good.
That is brainless, just watch the show from the perspective of someone who has not read the books.

All the changes are actually about removing confusion and extra characters that don't have a long term value for the story. You don't want to cast twice the amount of awesome actors just to have them in 3 scenes.

What they should have done is have 1 extra episode for each episode. No effects, no action, just the characters going through internal monologues and bring something deeper. Something viewer could skip if they only want the action... That would work beautifully with the material in the background.

My predictions:
-Karstark cuts hand of Jamie, Rob put Karstack to death for that.
-Talisa is the lannister spy and will be a turncloack on the RW
-Theon will be done closer to the book than people expect. He will be reek. No reason not to do so. It will just be a good way to introduce Ramsay and viewers won't think twice about who is the prisoner



And finally, yeah, they butchered Littlefinger, but on the positive side, they can't go lower, maybe something will redeem that storyline. Make the intention of Littlefinger clear and open will just leave a good amount of suspicion for those who have not read the book.

On April 02 2013 01:18 dubRa wrote:


I can see your point but my biggest problem with the episode is the scene in Mance's tent. In the book Jon tells Mance that he wants to join him because he is regarded as only a bastard in Westeros. The scene was extra powerful because the theme of being a bastard, especially Jon's bastardy, is so prominent in the story. The same in the series. So I ask why did they change Jon's original motivation to join Mance from this:

"And did you see where I was seated, Mance?" He leaned forward.
"Did you see where they put the bastard?"
Mance Rayder looked at Jon's face for a long moment. "I think we had best find you a new cloak," the king said holding out his hand. (A Storm of Swords 1:Steel and Snow p.104.)

To this:
-We stopped at Craster's Keep on the way north.
-I saw...
-You saw what?
-I saw Craster take his own baby boy and leave it in the woods. I saw what took it.
-You're telling me you saw one of them?
-And why would that make you desert your brothers?
-Because when I told the Lord Commander, he already knew.
-Thousands of years ago, the First Men battled the White Walkers and defeated them.
-I want to fight for the side that fights for the living.
-Did I come to the right place?
-We'll need to find you a new cloak.

Why change it? I asked a friend who haven't read the books whether he found Jon's reasoning convincing. He said no.

On April 01 2013 22:00 0x64 wrote:
Wow, cool episode.

A lot of hater here, but most of the hater are really complaining about details and nuances that makes the book good.
That is brainless, just watch the show from the perspective of someone who has not read the books.

All the changes are actually about removing confusion and extra characters that don't have a long term value for the story. You don't want to cast twice the amount of awesome actors just to have them in 3 scenes.

What they should have done is have 1 extra episode for each episode. No effects, no action, just the characters going through internal monologues and bring something deeper. Something viewer could skip if they only want the action... That would work beautifully with the material in the background.

My predictions:
-Karstark cuts hand of Jamie, Rob put Karstack to death for that.
-Talisa is the lannister spy and will be a turncloack on the RW
-Theon will be done closer to the book than people expect. He will be reek. No reason not to do so. It will just be a good way to introduce Ramsay and viewers won't think twice about who is the prisoner



And finally, yeah, they butchered Littlefinger, but on the positive side, they can't go lower, maybe something will redeem that storyline. Make the intention of Littlefinger clear and open will just leave a good amount of suspicion for those who have not read the book.

On April 01 2013 22:00 0x64 wrote:
Wow, cool episode.

A lot of hater here, but most of the hater are really complaining about details and nuances that makes the book good.
That is brainless, just watch the show from the perspective of someone who has not read the books.

All the changes are actually about removing confusion and extra characters that don't have a long term value for the story. You don't want to cast twice the amount of awesome actors just to have them in 3 scenes.

What they should have done is have 1 extra episode for each episode. No effects, no action, just the characters going through internal monologues and bring something deeper. Something viewer could skip if they only want the action... That would work beautifully with the material in the background.

My predictions:
-Karstark cuts hand of Jamie, Rob put Karstack to death for that.
-Talisa is the lannister spy and will be a turncloack on the RW
-Theon will be done closer to the book than people expect. He will be reek. No reason not to do so. It will just be a good way to introduce Ramsay and viewers won't think twice about who is the prisoner



And finally, yeah, they butchered Littlefinger, but on the positive side, they can't go lower, maybe something will redeem that storyline. Make the intention of Littlefinger clear and open will just leave a good amount of suspicion for those who have not read the book.

On April 02 2013 01:25 Conti wrote:

They most likely changed it because, otherwise, Mance would have to go on endlessly about how he once visited Winterfell, why he did it, how he did it, what the occasion was, and so on. It would take way too much time for such a minor plot point that will never be referenced again in the show. So they changed it to something more convenient to save time.

Was it better? No, absolutely not. But it's a TV adaption of a book. Lacking details like that is to be expected.

On April 02 2013 01:47 c0ldfusion wrote:
I'm shocked by all this whine about missing Strong Belwas. Did you guys honestly expect him to make an appearance in the show? He's such an easily cut character. Same goes for Vargo Hoat. Personally, I'm glad they're omitted.

On April 02 2013 02:03 karazax wrote:
I'm not surprised by no Strong Belwas because I knew he hadn't been cast, but I would rather have him than Ros who they have practically made into a PoV character in amount of screen time. Especially since they have killed off all of Dany's blood riders. Cutting Vargo Hoat just to replace him with someone else who will apparently do the same thing, but be directly under Bolton's command, doesn't seem to save them anything other than the rumor about British law preventing people with speaking impediments from from being made fun of on TV. I will reserve judgement until we see how it plays out though.

In the non-spoiler thread someone mentioned how there is an HBO lore video suggesting that Tywin knew about Jamie and Cersei sleeping together, due to a Septa catching them as kids and telling him. I haven't seen the video, but in the books he does not know. One of their mother's servants catches them fooling around as kids, and tells their mother who has them moved to seperate rooms on opposite sides of the castle. This is obviously before Tyrion was born, so they would have been pre-teens. She never tells their father, and Tywin was in King's Landing for most of their childhood, serving as Hand of the King for Aerys.