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On February 26 2013 08:23 itkovian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 06:14 whatwhatanut wrote:On February 26 2013 05:57 herMan wrote:On February 26 2013 05:44 Ottoxlol wrote:On February 26 2013 03:07 Topin wrote:
im afraid that Arya cant scape from de faceless man destiny, i mean she wouldnt be able to comeback home. also, what would happened if someone wishes for jon/sansa or any other character to die and they pick Arya to do it... =( best of luck to arya o.o Arya's fate has been foreshadowed already "The longer you hide, the sterner the penance. You’ll be sewing all through winter. When the spring thaw comes, they will find your body with a needle still locked tight between your frozen fingers.” Damn, where was that passage? I don't remember seeing it before. I think that makes Arya dead at the end of the series, it's really detailed. Doesn't nessecarily make her dead. just means she has alot of killing to do. Maybe her fingers are frozen cause she spends the whole winter up north not cause she's dead. who knows. Coldhands 2.0
Also we really need a source on this quote. I don't remember this at all.
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On February 26 2013 08:30 whatwhatanut wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 08:23 itkovian wrote:On February 26 2013 06:14 whatwhatanut wrote:On February 26 2013 05:57 herMan wrote:On February 26 2013 05:44 Ottoxlol wrote:On February 26 2013 03:07 Topin wrote:
im afraid that Arya cant scape from de faceless man destiny, i mean she wouldnt be able to comeback home. also, what would happened if someone wishes for jon/sansa or any other character to die and they pick Arya to do it... =( best of luck to arya o.o Arya's fate has been foreshadowed already "The longer you hide, the sterner the penance. You’ll be sewing all through winter. When the spring thaw comes, they will find your body with a needle still locked tight between your frozen fingers.” Damn, where was that passage? I don't remember seeing it before. I think that makes Arya dead at the end of the series, it's really detailed. Doesn't nessecarily make her dead. just means she has alot of killing to do. Maybe her fingers are frozen cause she spends the whole winter up north not cause she's dead. who knows. Coldhands 2.0 Also we really need a source on this quote. I don't remember this at all.
In the first Arya chapter in A Game of Thrones, when she runs away from the sewing class and goes to Jon to watch Robb and Joffrey fight in the practice yard, Jon says it.
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On February 26 2013 08:43 GhostLink wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 08:30 whatwhatanut wrote:On February 26 2013 08:23 itkovian wrote:On February 26 2013 06:14 whatwhatanut wrote:On February 26 2013 05:57 herMan wrote:On February 26 2013 05:44 Ottoxlol wrote:On February 26 2013 03:07 Topin wrote:
im afraid that Arya cant scape from de faceless man destiny, i mean she wouldnt be able to comeback home. also, what would happened if someone wishes for jon/sansa or any other character to die and they pick Arya to do it... =( best of luck to arya o.o Arya's fate has been foreshadowed already "The longer you hide, the sterner the penance. You’ll be sewing all through winter. When the spring thaw comes, they will find your body with a needle still locked tight between your frozen fingers.” Damn, where was that passage? I don't remember seeing it before. I think that makes Arya dead at the end of the series, it's really detailed. Doesn't nessecarily make her dead. just means she has alot of killing to do. Maybe her fingers are frozen cause she spends the whole winter up north not cause she's dead. who knows. Coldhands 2.0 Also we really need a source on this quote. I don't remember this at all. In the first Arya chapter in A Game of Thrones, when she runs away from the sewing class and goes to Jon to watch Robb and Joffrey fight in the practice yard, Jon says it.
Yep, p52 GoT.
+ Show Spoiler +“You had best run back to your room, little sister. Septa Mordane will surely be lurking. The longer you hide, the sterner the penance. You’ll be sewing all through winter. When the spring thaw comes, they will find your body with a needle still locked tight between your frozen fingers.”
Arya didn’t think it was funny. “I hate needlework!” she said with passion.
Nice catch, dude!
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Put in its proper context that quote hardly seems like sinister foreshadowing. I think I'd be bitterly disappointed if it was, but it wouldn't be the first time lol
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On February 26 2013 08:59 tshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 08:43 GhostLink wrote:On February 26 2013 08:30 whatwhatanut wrote:On February 26 2013 08:23 itkovian wrote:On February 26 2013 06:14 whatwhatanut wrote:On February 26 2013 05:57 herMan wrote:On February 26 2013 05:44 Ottoxlol wrote:On February 26 2013 03:07 Topin wrote:
im afraid that Arya cant scape from de faceless man destiny, i mean she wouldnt be able to comeback home. also, what would happened if someone wishes for jon/sansa or any other character to die and they pick Arya to do it... =( best of luck to arya o.o Arya's fate has been foreshadowed already "The longer you hide, the sterner the penance. You’ll be sewing all through winter. When the spring thaw comes, they will find your body with a needle still locked tight between your frozen fingers.” Damn, where was that passage? I don't remember seeing it before. I think that makes Arya dead at the end of the series, it's really detailed. Doesn't nessecarily make her dead. just means she has alot of killing to do. Maybe her fingers are frozen cause she spends the whole winter up north not cause she's dead. who knows. Coldhands 2.0 Also we really need a source on this quote. I don't remember this at all. In the first Arya chapter in A Game of Thrones, when she runs away from the sewing class and goes to Jon to watch Robb and Joffrey fight in the practice yard, Jon says it. Yep, p52 GoT. + Show Spoiler +“You had best run back to your room, little sister. Septa Mordane will surely be lurking. The longer you hide, the sterner the penance. You’ll be sewing all through winter. When the spring thaw comes, they will find your body with a needle still locked tight between your frozen fingers.”
Arya didn’t think it was funny. “I hate needlework!” she said with passion. Nice catch, dude!
Yeah, that's totally foreshadowing. I definitely think it is, with the way GRRM writes.
At least it means she won't be in the faceless man society, though. She'll die with some component of her identity intact, since if she's still got needle, she's still somewhat Arya.
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It does not foreshadow her dying though. It just says 'frozen'. Will she be a wight? Coldhands 2.0 as the guy above me said? Hmm... I don't think she will die though.
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On February 26 2013 08:43 GhostLink wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 08:30 whatwhatanut wrote:On February 26 2013 08:23 itkovian wrote:On February 26 2013 06:14 whatwhatanut wrote:On February 26 2013 05:57 herMan wrote:On February 26 2013 05:44 Ottoxlol wrote:On February 26 2013 03:07 Topin wrote:
im afraid that Arya cant scape from de faceless man destiny, i mean she wouldnt be able to comeback home. also, what would happened if someone wishes for jon/sansa or any other character to die and they pick Arya to do it... =( best of luck to arya o.o Arya's fate has been foreshadowed already "The longer you hide, the sterner the penance. You’ll be sewing all through winter. When the spring thaw comes, they will find your body with a needle still locked tight between your frozen fingers.” Damn, where was that passage? I don't remember seeing it before. I think that makes Arya dead at the end of the series, it's really detailed. Doesn't nessecarily make her dead. just means she has alot of killing to do. Maybe her fingers are frozen cause she spends the whole winter up north not cause she's dead. who knows. Coldhands 2.0 Also we really need a source on this quote. I don't remember this at all. In the first Arya chapter in A Game of Thrones, when she runs away from the sewing class and goes to Jon to watch Robb and Joffrey fight in the practice yard, Jon says it.
very nice catch, totally overlooked it, and i agree, it is foreshadowing absolutely.
Btw nobody is playing the Game of Thrones Ascent? Asked a few pages ago, thought it is pretty popular, but doesnt seem so
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On February 26 2013 12:25 GhostLink wrote:
It does not foreshadow her dying though. It just says 'frozen'. Will she be a wight? Coldhands 2.0 as the guy above me said? Hmm... I don't think she will die though.
The single most likely answer is that it is just something Jon said. He isn't exactly a prolific source of prophecy.
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On February 26 2013 20:40 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 08:43 GhostLink wrote:On February 26 2013 08:30 whatwhatanut wrote:On February 26 2013 08:23 itkovian wrote:On February 26 2013 06:14 whatwhatanut wrote:On February 26 2013 05:57 herMan wrote:On February 26 2013 05:44 Ottoxlol wrote:On February 26 2013 03:07 Topin wrote:
im afraid that Arya cant scape from de faceless man destiny, i mean she wouldnt be able to comeback home. also, what would happened if someone wishes for jon/sansa or any other character to die and they pick Arya to do it... =( best of luck to arya o.o Arya's fate has been foreshadowed already "The longer you hide, the sterner the penance. You’ll be sewing all through winter. When the spring thaw comes, they will find your body with a needle still locked tight between your frozen fingers.” Damn, where was that passage? I don't remember seeing it before. I think that makes Arya dead at the end of the series, it's really detailed. Doesn't nessecarily make her dead. just means she has alot of killing to do. Maybe her fingers are frozen cause she spends the whole winter up north not cause she's dead. who knows. Coldhands 2.0 Also we really need a source on this quote. I don't remember this at all. In the first Arya chapter in A Game of Thrones, when she runs away from the sewing class and goes to Jon to watch Robb and Joffrey fight in the practice yard, Jon says it. very nice catch, totally overlooked it, and i agree, it is foreshadowing absolutely. Btw nobody is playing the Game of Thrones Ascent? Asked a few pages ago, thought it is pretty popular, but doesnt seem so
I just started after your post and I'm really liking it. The basic gameplay is pretty generic for these flash "mmo" micro-transaction games however the quest and the dialogues is quite addictive. Does as about as good job possible of capturing the feel of playing the game of thrones
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Yupp. Jon didn't know what the wall was untill he was staring it straight in the face. No way is he predicting anyones destiny. Arya is with the faceless man and GRRM is not really sure what he should do. Her part in ADWD was lacking. As was Tyrion. As was Daneryes. Series will probably be extended with another book. Calling it right now
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you guys know something doesn't have to be prophetic to be foreshadowing yeah?
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On February 27 2013 09:02 Emon_ wrote:
Yupp. Jon didn't know what the wall was untill he was staring it straight in the face. No way is he predicting anyones destiny. Arya is with the faceless man and GRRM is not really sure what he should do. Her part in ADWD was lacking. As was Tyrion. As was Daneryes. Series will probably be extended with another book. Calling it right now
Meh, don't bother calling it now. They already ran out of numbers for that queue a long time ago. He was saying 7 since after book 3. The story can't have book 4 become books 4 and 5, pass through the Mereennese knot and have the Martells become important and not end up extended again.
Prophecy, foreshadowing, whatever; either way I'm not sticking majority probability on a fairly random minor comment from very early in the first book.
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On February 27 2013 09:02 Emon_ wrote:
Yupp. Jon didn't know what the wall was untill he was staring it straight in the face. No way is he predicting anyones destiny. Arya is with the faceless man and GRRM is not really sure what he should do. Her part in ADWD was lacking. As was Tyrion. As was Daneryes. Series will probably be extended with another book. Calling it right now
That would be great. I get a little sad thinking there will only be two books left in the series. Also, the way the books seem to be progressing right now, I get the feeling the ending would be rushed if GRRM only has the space of two more books to work with.
But on the other hand, extending the series makes me nervous. He's 64 already, and the pace he's been finishing books has not exactly been quick
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There's also a foreshadowing I caught while re-reading A Game of Thrones, in Jon chapter when he gives Arya Needle and says his farewell before heading to the Wall.
Arya: 'I wish you were coming with us'
Jon: 'Different roads sometimes lead to the same castle, so who knows'
Will Arya and Jon eventually meet? If so then where. Castle Black?
This one is interesting.
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Whatever Arya's fate is, I'm sure that she won't be with the faceless men forever. She just has too much personal weight from her previous life.
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On February 27 2013 09:25 Irrelevant Label wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 09:02 Emon_ wrote:
Yupp. Jon didn't know what the wall was untill he was staring it straight in the face. No way is he predicting anyones destiny. Arya is with the faceless man and GRRM is not really sure what he should do. Her part in ADWD was lacking. As was Tyrion. As was Daneryes. Series will probably be extended with another book. Calling it right now Meh, don't bother calling it now. They already ran out of numbers for that queue a long time ago. He was saying 7 since after book 3. The story can't have book 4 become books 4 and 5, pass through the Mereennese knot and have the Martells become important and not end up extended again. Prophecy, foreshadowing, whatever; either way I'm not sticking majority probability on a fairly random minor comment from very early in the first book.
Foreshadowing is a distinct literary device, prophecy is not. Since GRRM has foreshadowed a number of things already during this series, I'd say Jon's quote may warrant some consideration.
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On February 28 2013 04:58 Serek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 09:25 Irrelevant Label wrote:On February 27 2013 09:02 Emon_ wrote:
Yupp. Jon didn't know what the wall was untill he was staring it straight in the face. No way is he predicting anyones destiny. Arya is with the faceless man and GRRM is not really sure what he should do. Her part in ADWD was lacking. As was Tyrion. As was Daneryes. Series will probably be extended with another book. Calling it right now Meh, don't bother calling it now. They already ran out of numbers for that queue a long time ago. He was saying 7 since after book 3. The story can't have book 4 become books 4 and 5, pass through the Mereennese knot and have the Martells become important and not end up extended again. Prophecy, foreshadowing, whatever; either way I'm not sticking majority probability on a fairly random minor comment from very early in the first book. Foreshadowing is a distinct literary device, prophecy is not. Since GRRM has foreshadowed a number of things already during this series, I'd say Jon's quote may warrant some consideration.
The distinction is irrelevant to what I am saying. Either way it isn't anywhere close to being a high reliability indicator of things to come.
When Quaithe, the child of the forest who masquerades as an old dwarf hermit lady, Bloodraven, or a vision from the house of the undying or even Patchface says something it is something to put down in the notes for likely indicators of future events.
When someone smart or wise says something of a deep nature or with a hint of symbolism to it that can go in the likely foreshadowing folder.
When Jon says, on page 50 of book 1, that there will be more hell to pay the more she runs from the music it is ridiculous to take too much from it. It is generic advice. If that counts as something to take special note of then half the quotes in the story would be things to take special note of and the whole point of taking special note of something is lost.
It isn't that it is nothing. It is that it isn't enough to warrant special attention compared to all the other things around to pay attention to.
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I just found out GRRM read a new chapter concerning Barristan finally going on the attack against the Yunkai'i.
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It actually fits my prediction a bit; I expected Meereen to destroy the unprepared Yunkai'i, and the Ironborn did come to help, just not the way I expected it.
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On February 28 2013 11:53 PhoenixVoid wrote:I just found out GRRM read a new chapter concerning Barristan finally going on the attack against the Yunkai'i. LinkIt actually fits my prediction a bit; I expected the Meereen to destroy the unprepared Yunkai'i, and the Ironborn did come to help, just not the way I expected it.
Agreed, I felt it was going to be a rout, especially with the laughable sword companies Yunkai has. Between Ser Grandpa, the Second Sons turning cloak and Victarian's giant testicles, Yunkai was boned
Now the battle for Winterfell....that's a different matter. There's only so much Stannis the Mannis can do
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Hahaha, Tyrion and Victarion seem more or less destined to constant embarrassing failures of happenstance like that arn't they. Of all the people in asoiaf who on occasion have reason to say "oh, fuck me" in the typical sardonic sense it is those two.
Too bad/At least (depending on if you like Dany) Barristan, Grey Worm and presumably Drogon can get things done.
I'm a little surprised this came out after the Arianne stuff. This was more predictable, or at least along the lines of what nearly everyone expected from the fire battle regardless of more careful consideration of the evidence. The Arianne stuff was treading into newer territory.
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