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On February 25 2013 07:39 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 17:00 AstroPegnuin wrote:On February 24 2013 16:52 Sabu113 wrote:On February 24 2013 16:37 tshi wrote:On February 24 2013 16:29 AstroPegnuin wrote:On February 24 2013 10:24 PhoenixVoid wrote:On February 24 2013 10:18 Zealotdriver wrote:
Jon Snow is over. Stannis is over. Time to move on imho. Oh, you so funny. The odds of Jon dying 100% are close to nil, and Stannis has to win the Iron Throne (only to lose it to Dany right after). Personally I've always interpreted Georges "bittersweet ending" that he has planned to be something along the lines of Stannis just straight up winning the Iron Throne, I mean you have to admit that would leave a bitter aftertaste for some people while still giving a somewhat satisfying conclusion. I've always found Stannis interesting in the sense that he's doing all that he's doing despite wanting none of it (So we are lead to believe) simply because it's his duty. I would much more prefer that Petyr Baelish ends the game of thrones by becoming super rich or some shit, that guy's a genius and I have no idea what his fucking end-game plan is, but he's been playing it right thus far. Seems like the Vayle is in pristine form, ready to back/attack whatever he wants He's the meritocrat. If you like the west then you should like Petyr. That said he's not connected with the mystical enough to survive. Lol if Petyr was a real life interpretation he'd pretty much be Wall Street/The Banks of America, he purposely screwed over the economy of Westeros as a part of his plan. However I think he's a bit to mentally unstable in terms of his obsession over Cat which seems to be now translating to Sansa, I can see this being his foil and downfall if he were to ever have one. Sansa being one of my favorite characters (Fuck me right?) I would like to see her put him in his place in some form or another, I mean Sansa almost most certainly is going to have a huge role to play considering she's been built up for 4 books in a fluctuating arc that will surely come to head. I think Littlefinger will have his moment of glory, but only to see it crash horribly on him. His obsession with Sansa is going to grow probably, up to the point where he will try to have sex with her most likely. I have some nagging feeling that Sansa will end up killing Littlefinger.
Littlefinger being killed would be too good for him. Sansa is learning the Game of Thrones from one of the best teachers out there. That's gonna be Littlefinger's downfall and he'll be quite alive to see it.
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Why do people think Littlefinger has an obsession with Sansa? Was it because he kissed her? I would say that was part of Littlefinger's plan, for he knew Lysa would see it, which would give him an opportunity to dispose of her.
He stole Sansa away from King's Landing, and shares some of his plans with her. But isn't she just a key to Winterfell, and in turn to the North?
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On February 25 2013 15:56 GhostLink wrote:
Why do people think Littlefinger has an obsession with Sansa? Was it because he kissed her? I would say that was part of Littlefinger's plan, for he knew Lysa would see it, which would give him an opportunity to dispose of her.
He stole Sansa away from King's Landing, and shares some of his plans with her. But isn't she just a key to Winterfell, and in turn to the North?
It is easy to assume that he has migrated his obsession with Cat to Sansa and he's played it up himself somewhat. The one personal desire he seems to hold, or something like that. That it is a ruse is possible.
If that is the case then he has a chance after all. Someone that entirely cold, calculating, cynical and ruthless always has a chance. More importantly his getting caught in something stupid involving Sansa is the common theme in all the vague downfall possibilities people generally assume are in his future. Take that away and he is pretty strong again. All he needs to do is avoid being the enemy of the dragons.
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On February 25 2013 16:08 Irrelevant Label wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 15:56 GhostLink wrote:
Why do people think Littlefinger has an obsession with Sansa? Was it because he kissed her? I would say that was part of Littlefinger's plan, for he knew Lysa would see it, which would give him an opportunity to dispose of her.
He stole Sansa away from King's Landing, and shares some of his plans with her. But isn't she just a key to Winterfell, and in turn to the North?
It is easy to assume that he has migrated his obsession with Cat to Sansa and he's played it up himself somewhat. The one personal desire he seems to hold, or something like that. That it is a ruse is possible. If that is the case then he has a chance after all. Someone that entirely cold, calculating, cynical and ruthless always has a chance. More importantly his getting caught in something stupid involving Sansa is the common theme in all the vague downfall possibilities people generally assume are in his future. Take that away and he is pretty strong again. All he needs to do is avoid being the enemy of the dragons.
He also asked for some things of king Robert's from King's Landing. I'm not sure what they're for, but they have to mean something. Moreover, I think Sansa is a bargaining chip for him. If KL remains in the rule by the Lannisters, he might sell Sansa to them or something, and if it isn't he'll use her to get a claim to the north. But yeah, I was wondering why he asked to get some of Robert's things from Cersei at KL. I believe they were tapestries? I dont recall.
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On February 25 2013 19:51 tshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 16:08 Irrelevant Label wrote:On February 25 2013 15:56 GhostLink wrote:
Why do people think Littlefinger has an obsession with Sansa? Was it because he kissed her? I would say that was part of Littlefinger's plan, for he knew Lysa would see it, which would give him an opportunity to dispose of her.
He stole Sansa away from King's Landing, and shares some of his plans with her. But isn't she just a key to Winterfell, and in turn to the North?
It is easy to assume that he has migrated his obsession with Cat to Sansa and he's played it up himself somewhat. The one personal desire he seems to hold, or something like that. That it is a ruse is possible. If that is the case then he has a chance after all. Someone that entirely cold, calculating, cynical and ruthless always has a chance. More importantly his getting caught in something stupid involving Sansa is the common theme in all the vague downfall possibilities people generally assume are in his future. Take that away and he is pretty strong again. All he needs to do is avoid being the enemy of the dragons. He also asked for some things of king Robert's from King's Landing. I'm not sure what they're for, but they have to mean something. Moreover, I think Sansa is a bargaining chip for him. If KL remains in the rule by the Lannisters, he might sell Sansa to them or something, and if it isn't he'll use her to get a claim to the north. But yeah, I was wondering why he asked to get some of Robert's things from Cersei at KL. I believe they were tapestries? I dont recall.
i dont recall that either strangely enough, even though i read it multiple times. However KL isnt in the hands of the Lannisters, it is clealy dominated by the Tyrells, they hold every office and power right now.
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I think those tapestries might be of House Targaryen, that Robert kept hidden in some cellar. Littlefinger plans to declare his allegiance to Dany when she crosses, to be on the winning side.
Littlefinger and Varys might unknowingly find themselves on the same side (or not, if Dany wars against Aegon).
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I think one of the best things about Littlefinger is that we don't really know what his end goal is. Even Varys says he can't figure out what LF is trying to achieve. We know he wants some degree of power, but for what reason or to what end isn't clear. Most of the major players want to be on the Iron Throne (or control it in some way). Perhaps that is what he is after, but I'm not convinced that is the case.
My personal take is that he holds a grudge against all the major houses of Westeros (having grown up being constantly reminded that he wasn't "good enough") and he really wants to make them all suffer in some way. Perhaps he wants to completely abolish the rule of one king, or upend the entire social system. Or maybe he just wants to sit on the Iron Throne himself. It is that uncertainty that makes him really interesting.
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On February 26 2013 00:41 HardlyNever wrote:
I think one of the best things about Littlefinger is that we don't really know what his end goal is. Even Varys says he can't figure out what LF is trying to achieve. We know he wants some degree of power, but for what reason or to what end isn't clear. Most of the major players want to be on the Iron Throne (or control it in some way). Perhaps that is what he is after, but I'm not convinced that is the case.
My personal take is that he holds a grudge against all the major houses of Westeros (having grown up being constantly reminded that he wasn't "good enough") and he really wants to make them all suffer in some way. Perhaps he wants to completely abolish the rule of one king, or upend the entire social system. Or maybe he just wants to sit on the Iron Throne himself. It is that uncertainty that makes him really interesting.
I've written something similar at another point of this thread, but focussing on what happened to his Cat and how many of the big houses are actually involved in taking her away from him, some to more degrees and some to lesser. I think his main motive is revenge, that's the thing that drives him even more than lust for power. He's had the Starks high on his kill list, but now he'll focus on annihilating the Freys, Bolton and Lannister.
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On February 24 2013 16:29 AstroPegnuin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 10:24 PhoenixVoid wrote:On February 24 2013 10:18 Zealotdriver wrote:
Jon Snow is over. Stannis is over. Time to move on imho. Oh, you so funny. The odds of Jon dying 100% are close to nil, and Stannis has to win the Iron Throne (only to lose it to Dany right after). Personally I've always interpreted Georges "bittersweet ending" that he has planned to be something along the lines of Stannis just straight up winning the Iron Throne, I mean you have to admit that would leave a bitter aftertaste for some people while still giving a somewhat satisfying conclusion. I've always found Stannis interesting in the sense that he's doing all that he's doing despite wanting none of it (So we are lead to believe) simply because it's his duty.
That seems like a bad ending, though. One of Dany's dreams hints of her on her dragon fighting an army led by wight-Stannis somewhere in the Trident. It was meant to parallel Robert's battle with Rheagar. Of course, the wight-king could be somebody else that just looks like one of the Baratheon brothers, but Stannis is the most obvious candidate right now. Wight-king Stannis winning the Iron Throne is definitely a bad ending. I interpret bittersweet ending to be a mostly good ending mixed in with tragedy for some of the remaining major good guys.
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A big part of me hopes Sansa, after learning everything from Littlefinger, joins up with Arya (who finishes learning everything from the Faceless Men) and they team up to take on Freys/Boltons/Lannisters. As unlikely as it is, it would be pretty awesome.
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im afraid that Arya cant scape from de faceless man destiny, i mean she wouldnt be able to comeback home. also, what would happened if someone wishes for jon/sansa or any other character to die and they pick Arya to do it... =( best of luck to arya o.o
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I hope that Tyrion hires the Faceless Men to kill Cersei after he returns to Westeros with Daenerys... and Arya is the one who gets sent out to complete the mission.
I don't think it's going to happen but it would be cool if the war ended with Tyrion still married to Sansa and they raise Rickon with Tyrion as Guardian of Winterfell and Protector of the North until Rickon comes of age.
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On February 26 2013 01:57 Ario wrote:
A big part of me hopes Sansa, after learning everything from Littlefinger, joins up with Arya (who finishes learning everything from the Faceless Men) and they team up to take on Freys/Boltons/Lannisters. As unlikely as it is, it would be pretty awesome.
I'm hoping they at least meet back up somewhere. Given their previous interactions it would be interesting to see how it would go after what they've both been through.
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On February 26 2013 01:57 Ario wrote:
A big part of me hopes Sansa, after learning everything from Littlefinger, joins up with Arya (who finishes learning everything from the Faceless Men) and they team up to take on Freys/Boltons/Lannisters. As unlikely as it is, it would be pretty awesome.
I'm pretty confident we'll see their reunion at some point before the end. they're two characters we've been led to root for from the beginning, and they're both young girls, so I have a hard time imagining GRRM subjecting them to some terrible tragedy. They've both been through a lot of shit, so it would seem reasonable for all their troubles to pay off at the end.
That being said, I am a little worried that Arya will become a Faceless assassin, and will not be able to leave the guild, essentially ending all her loyalty to her family, and leaving her past behind her. That's the direction she seems to be heading, but I really hope she'll be able to find a way out of it.
How powerful do people think the Vale will be by the time the end of the war comes? They've been sitting around untouched, so I imagine they'll play an important role when the final battles occur
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On February 26 2013 03:07 Topin wrote:
im afraid that Arya cant scape from de faceless man destiny, i mean she wouldnt be able to comeback home. also, what would happened if someone wishes for jon/sansa or any other character to die and they pick Arya to do it... =( best of luck to arya o.o
Arya's fate has been foreshadowed already
"The longer you hide, the sterner the penance. You’ll be sewing all through winter. When the spring thaw comes, they will find your body with a needle still locked tight between your frozen fingers.”
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On February 26 2013 05:29 itkovian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 01:57 Ario wrote:
A big part of me hopes Sansa, after learning everything from Littlefinger, joins up with Arya (who finishes learning everything from the Faceless Men) and they team up to take on Freys/Boltons/Lannisters. As unlikely as it is, it would be pretty awesome.
I'm pretty confident we'll see their reunion at some point before the end. they're two characters we've been led to root for from the beginning, and they're both young girls, so I have a hard time imagining GRRM subjecting them to some terrible tragedy. They've both been through a lot of shit, so it would seem reasonable for all their troubles to pay off at the end. That being said, I am a little worried that Arya will become a Faceless assassin, and will not be able to leave the guild, essentially ending all her loyalty to her family, and leaving her past behind her. That's the direction she seems to be heading, but I really hope she'll be able to find a way out of it. How powerful do people think the Vale will be by the time the end of the war comes? They've been sitting around untouched, so I imagine they'll play an important role when the final battles occur
Arya might be sent after one of the known characters, but not Jon or Sansa, since the Faceless man send someone from among them who doesnt know the target. That's explicitly demonstrated. Or who knows, maybe she tricks the system to save a sibling
The Vale and Dorne are obviously very strong atm, but the Tyells didnt suffer much losses either, though they are spread thin from Dragonstone to the Arbor
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On February 26 2013 05:44 Ottoxlol wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 03:07 Topin wrote:
im afraid that Arya cant scape from de faceless man destiny, i mean she wouldnt be able to comeback home. also, what would happened if someone wishes for jon/sansa or any other character to die and they pick Arya to do it... =( best of luck to arya o.o Arya's fate has been foreshadowed already "The longer you hide, the sterner the penance. You’ll be sewing all through winter. When the spring thaw comes, they will find your body with a needle still locked tight between your frozen fingers.”
Damn, where was that passage? I don't remember seeing it before. I think that makes Arya dead at the end of the series, it's really detailed.
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Littlefinger just wants to see the world burn. :D
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On February 26 2013 05:57 herMan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 05:44 Ottoxlol wrote:On February 26 2013 03:07 Topin wrote:
im afraid that Arya cant scape from de faceless man destiny, i mean she wouldnt be able to comeback home. also, what would happened if someone wishes for jon/sansa or any other character to die and they pick Arya to do it... =( best of luck to arya o.o Arya's fate has been foreshadowed already "The longer you hide, the sterner the penance. You’ll be sewing all through winter. When the spring thaw comes, they will find your body with a needle still locked tight between your frozen fingers.” Damn, where was that passage? I don't remember seeing it before. I think that makes Arya dead at the end of the series, it's really detailed.
Doesn't nessecarily make her dead. just means she has alot of killing to do. Maybe her fingers are frozen cause she spends the whole winter up north not cause she's dead. who knows.
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On February 26 2013 06:14 whatwhatanut wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 05:57 herMan wrote:On February 26 2013 05:44 Ottoxlol wrote:On February 26 2013 03:07 Topin wrote:
im afraid that Arya cant scape from de faceless man destiny, i mean she wouldnt be able to comeback home. also, what would happened if someone wishes for jon/sansa or any other character to die and they pick Arya to do it... =( best of luck to arya o.o Arya's fate has been foreshadowed already "The longer you hide, the sterner the penance. You’ll be sewing all through winter. When the spring thaw comes, they will find your body with a needle still locked tight between your frozen fingers.” Damn, where was that passage? I don't remember seeing it before. I think that makes Arya dead at the end of the series, it's really detailed. Doesn't nessecarily make her dead. just means she has alot of killing to do. Maybe her fingers are frozen cause she spends the whole winter up north not cause she's dead. who knows.
Coldhands 2.0
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