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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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aloT
Profile Joined April 2010
England1042 Posts
January 30 2013 12:19 GMT
#4321
Martin will live to finish the series. He looks utterly rejuvenated from what I've seen of him since the TV show began.
teapot
Profile Joined October 2007
United Kingdom266 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 12:44:57
January 30 2013 12:20 GMT
#4322
On January 28 2013 10:08 Blacktion wrote:
Was anyone else seriously disappointed when the red viper died?
I like the thinking behind his character, setting him up as a deus ex machina to save tyrion, so everyone expects him to win the duel, and even letting him get the uper hand in the duel, then having him die. Was pretty good story telling wise, i just get the feeling we missed the chance to see an incredible amount of interesting stuff, both past and future, from one of the most baller characters in the world.


Oh well, at least The Mountain died in agony, off-screen (allegedly).

Oberyn was cool. But that is one of Martin's tricks in his presentation of "gritty realism".

Got a hero about to reign triumphantly? Get some sneak to hamstring him and then stamp on his face.

Got a pretty girl? Rape her, cut her, knock out some teeth.

It is because of this unrelenting unpleasantness running through ASOIAF that I do not like it all that much.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 05 2013 16:20 GMT
#4323
http://fearofaghostplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Game-of-Thrones-2-590x331.jpg

Saw this picture, and it depressed the hell out of me.

I don't know if I want to watch the third season just to relive that moment all over again.
Writer@WriterYamato
Irrelevant Label
Profile Joined January 2012
United States596 Posts
February 06 2013 00:10 GMT
#4324
On February 06 2013 01:20 yamato77 wrote:
http://fearofaghostplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Game-of-Thrones-2-590x331.jpg

Saw this picture, and it depressed the hell out of me.

I don't know if I want to watch the third season just to relive that moment all over again.


Either I don't follow or you mean Rob. That is Jon and Ghost.
Ario
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada73 Posts
February 06 2013 00:27 GMT
#4325
For a second I thought that was Robb and Grey Wind too. It's actually kind of weird they would use a picture of Jon sitting the Iron Throne, seeing as there's no connection there at all for people who only watch the show.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 06 2013 00:28 GMT
#4326
On February 06 2013 09:10 Irrelevant Label wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2013 01:20 yamato77 wrote:
http://fearofaghostplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Game-of-Thrones-2-590x331.jpg

Saw this picture, and it depressed the hell out of me.

I don't know if I want to watch the third season just to relive that moment all over again.


Either I don't follow or you mean Rob. That is Jon and Ghost.

Holy shit, you're right!

Now I can be happy about the picture instead of sad, haha.
Writer@WriterYamato
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
February 06 2013 22:58 GMT
#4327
An interesting observation I've found from snooping around the Internet about how the great houses of Westeros mirror that of Europe.

Stark: Ireland
Lannisters: England
Greyjoy: Vikings
Baratheon: Holy Roman Empire
Tyrell: France
Arryn: Switzerland
Dorne: Spain
Targaryen: Rome
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
February 06 2013 23:03 GMT
#4328
On January 28 2013 10:08 Blacktion wrote:
Was anyone else seriously disappointed when the red viper died?
I like the thinking behind his character, setting him up as a deus ex machina to save tyrion, so everyone expects him to win the duel, and even letting him get the uper hand in the duel, then having him die. Was pretty good story telling wise, i just get the feeling we missed the chance to see an incredible amount of interesting stuff, both past and future, from one of the most baller characters in the world.


Yeah I was disappointed, but can't say I was surprised. Sees to almost be par for the course at this point.

It would have been nice to have known a little more about what he knew and lived. Oh well, at least there are the Sand Snakes.
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
February 06 2013 23:07 GMT
#4329
On February 07 2013 07:58 PhoenixVoid wrote:
An interesting observation I've found from snooping around the Internet about how the great houses of Westeros mirror that of Europe.

Stark: Ireland
Lannisters: England
Greyjoy: Vikings
Baratheon: Holy Roman Empire
Tyrell: France
Arryn: Switzerland
Dorne: Spain
Targaryen: Rome


I don't even really know what to make of this. Aside from the obvious fact that most of those regions/periods never co-existed (There were no vikings when there was a Holy Roman Empire, there is no "Rome (unless you mean just the Vatican)" when there is a Holy Roman Empire).

I'm not really seeing the connection between the Stark house and Ireland except they are in the north... You have to paint with ridiculously broad strokes to make most of those comparisons work.
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
JumboJohnson
Profile Joined December 2011
537 Posts
February 06 2013 23:11 GMT
#4330
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 07 2013 07:58 PhoenixVoid wrote:
An interesting observation I've found from snooping around the Internet about how the great houses of Westeros mirror that of Europe.

Stark: Ireland
Lannisters: England
Greyjoy: Vikings
Baratheon: Holy Roman Empire
Tyrell: France
Arryn: Switzerland
Dorne: Spain
Targaryen: Rome



Do you happen to have a website for that that doesn't require a login?
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
February 06 2013 23:23 GMT
#4331
On February 07 2013 08:07 HardlyNever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 07:58 PhoenixVoid wrote:
An interesting observation I've found from snooping around the Internet about how the great houses of Westeros mirror that of Europe.

Stark: Ireland
Lannisters: England
Greyjoy: Vikings
Baratheon: Holy Roman Empire
Tyrell: France
Arryn: Switzerland
Dorne: Spain
Targaryen: Rome


I don't even really know what to make of this. Aside from the obvious fact that most of those regions/periods never co-existed (There were no vikings when there was a Holy Roman Empire, there is no "Rome (unless you mean just the Vatican)" when there is a Holy Roman Empire).

I'm not really seeing the connection between the Stark house and Ireland except they are in the north... You have to paint with ridiculously broad strokes to make most of those comparisons work.

Never said they had to co-exist, they just resemble each other.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-06 23:27:26
February 06 2013 23:26 GMT
#4332
On February 07 2013 07:58 PhoenixVoid wrote:
An interesting observation I've found from snooping around the Internet about how the great houses of Westeros mirror that of Europe.

Stark: Ireland
Lannisters: England
Greyjoy: Vikings
Baratheon: Holy Roman Empire
Tyrell: France
Arryn: Switzerland
Dorne: Spain
Targaryen: Rome


The wildlings are the Irish and the Starks are the Germanic people.

The Wall = Hadrian's Wall.
#Hitpoint @ GameSurge (IDLE=BAN)
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
February 06 2013 23:41 GMT
#4333
I'm still not seeing it. How are the Targaryens anything like Rome? I just don't get it.

The closest obvious real world comparison I made was the Dothraki to the Mongols, since they are both "horse" centered cultures that raid places. Even then, the mongols tended to stay and rule when they conquered a place, while the Dothraki just seem to loot and move on.

There are a few similarities here and there; I guess I could kind of get the Iron Isles being "viking-like" because... they raid places on ships?

I don't know. Most of those comparisons make no sense to me.
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-06 23:45:50
February 06 2013 23:43 GMT
#4334
I don't agree with the way he lined his up for the most part, but I think that there are some historical inspirations for a lot of what we see in the novels. I don't think you can say any one thing is the inspiration for any of the houses/tribes/people in the novels, but you can definitely see similarities.
#Hitpoint @ GameSurge (IDLE=BAN)
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
February 06 2013 23:44 GMT
#4335
Well geographically it sure is Hadrians wall as well. Northern westeros is just England squished.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
February 07 2013 00:04 GMT
#4336
On February 07 2013 08:44 DannyJ wrote:
Well geographically it sure is Hadrians wall as well. Northern westeros is just England squished.

No way, not squished. Westeros is the size of South America, and the North is half of that, so its more like England blown up by a ton.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
February 07 2013 00:06 GMT
#4337
On February 07 2013 09:04 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 08:44 DannyJ wrote:
Well geographically it sure is Hadrians wall as well. Northern westeros is just England squished.

No way, not squished. Westeros is the size of South America, and the North is half of that, so its more like England blown up by a ton.


The shape of it is. Not the size. Similar to how southern westeros is Ireland upside down but like 30 times bigger.
Lobotomist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1541 Posts
February 07 2013 00:26 GMT
#4338
On January 27 2013 21:47 DannyJ wrote:
I'd pay the iron price for a Stannis and Davos sitcom...
oh my god can't stop laughing.
Teching to hive too quickly isn't just a risk: it's an ultrarisk
Taru
Profile Joined October 2010
France88 Posts
February 07 2013 00:26 GMT
#4339
On February 07 2013 07:58 PhoenixVoid wrote:
An interesting observation I've found from snooping around the Internet about how the great houses of Westeros mirror that of Europe.

Stark: Ireland
Lannisters: England
Greyjoy: Vikings
Baratheon: Holy Roman Empire
Tyrell: France
Arryn: Switzerland
Dorne: Spain
Targaryen: Rome


I've got some comparisons in Essos:
For exemple, the free cities are imo a reference to the medieval free cities in northern Italy like Florence, Venice, Genoa or even Ragusa.
The cities using slavery as their main activity like Astapor, Meereen and Yunkai are a reference to north african cities like Alger and Tunis which where known for their slave trading, especially european ones.
The dothraki are the mongols obviously.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
February 07 2013 00:44 GMT
#4340
In case anyone is wondering about the Targaryen=Rome comparison, it is because both were the rulers of their continent (Westeros and Europe), but eventually lost control due to rebellion (Barbarian attacks and the Baratheon/Stark union). I understand people have problems with the comparisons, but they are obviously superficial, and I didn't even make the list (found it on /tv/).
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
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