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On January 11 2013 12:29 zatic wrote:
Sorry isn't Jojen already dead? I reread the chapters after I read about the Jojen paste, but even if you don't buy into that it reads like Jojen is practically / actually dead.
Yeah, basically Jojen is nearly over. Right before they entered the cave with the Children, he was sick and hardly ate, and he didn't change that much even with the food and care. He even seems to know his death is impending, judging from his depression and sickness.
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On January 11 2013 12:06 Ario wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 11:24 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Because I read the topic from the ASoIaF forums, any predictions on who will die in TWoW? (If this was already done, sorry, I just couldn't find it from my short time searching this thread)
Expecting:
Boltons: Especially Ramsay (self-explanatory)
Brienne: I find her story arc boring, and I think her role as Jaime's counterpart and redeemer is nearly over
UnCat: Her story should have been over, and I find her Stoneheart persona quite boring and unnecessary
Littlefinger: His backstabbing and sneaking will find and end at one point, and unlike Varys, he doesn't have his omniscience
Freys: I want to see the patriarch of the family (forgot his name) see his family die in front of his eyes just as the Starks had it
Jojen: His story is almost over I feel, and he seems nearly dead anyways
Mormont or Daario: Mormont will likely die trying to save Daeny, while Daario will betray her and be killed soon after
Barristan: He is surrounded by enemies and an old man, unlikely to survive I agree with Boltons/Freys, Jojen and maybe Mormont or Daario dying, but I think (or at least hope) the rest will live. I don't see a point in killing UnCat yet, as she hasn't that much yet which would make it pointless for GRRM to bring her back. I also don't think Littlefinger will die yet as we haven't really seen his end game yet. I'I think it would be pretty cool too if Brienne and Jamie both died together in battle too. Other than that, I'm predicting: Cersei - She's pretty much lost all of her power, I see her storyline wrapping up fairly soon. Loras - I don't see the Tyrells winning in the end, so I expect them to start dying out. He seems the least important to the story of all the key Tyrells remaining, and he's apparently already seriously injured. Victarion - I was never really as interested in his storyline, but either way I see him becoming Quentyn 2.0  Davos - I know this is a little cliche, but him dying to save Rickon would be a simple way to get Rickon back in the picture and to convince him to help rally the north around Stannis, which I think is really the only way Stannis/the North can continue to contend. Aegon - I personally think he's a Blackfyre, but either way I feel like this is a safe bet. If Dorne doesn't back him, Tyrells will destroy him. Even if Dorne does aid him, once Dany lands I don't see him lasting long either (doubt she will believe him)
I think UnCat's purpose is to revive Jon Snow. I think she will learn about who his true parents are assuming R+L=J is correct. After she learns this she will sacrifice herself to bring back Jon. I also think her sacrificing herself would be redemption for her.
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On January 11 2013 13:18 Andrew2658 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 12:06 Ario wrote:On January 11 2013 11:24 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Because I read the topic from the ASoIaF forums, any predictions on who will die in TWoW? (If this was already done, sorry, I just couldn't find it from my short time searching this thread)
Expecting:
Boltons: Especially Ramsay (self-explanatory)
Brienne: I find her story arc boring, and I think her role as Jaime's counterpart and redeemer is nearly over
UnCat: Her story should have been over, and I find her Stoneheart persona quite boring and unnecessary
Littlefinger: His backstabbing and sneaking will find and end at one point, and unlike Varys, he doesn't have his omniscience
Freys: I want to see the patriarch of the family (forgot his name) see his family die in front of his eyes just as the Starks had it
Jojen: His story is almost over I feel, and he seems nearly dead anyways
Mormont or Daario: Mormont will likely die trying to save Daeny, while Daario will betray her and be killed soon after
Barristan: He is surrounded by enemies and an old man, unlikely to survive I agree with Boltons/Freys, Jojen and maybe Mormont or Daario dying, but I think (or at least hope) the rest will live. I don't see a point in killing UnCat yet, as she hasn't that much yet which would make it pointless for GRRM to bring her back. I also don't think Littlefinger will die yet as we haven't really seen his end game yet. I'I think it would be pretty cool too if Brienne and Jamie both died together in battle too. Other than that, I'm predicting: Cersei - She's pretty much lost all of her power, I see her storyline wrapping up fairly soon. Loras - I don't see the Tyrells winning in the end, so I expect them to start dying out. He seems the least important to the story of all the key Tyrells remaining, and he's apparently already seriously injured. Victarion - I was never really as interested in his storyline, but either way I see him becoming Quentyn 2.0 Davos - I know this is a little cliche, but him dying to save Rickon would be a simple way to get Rickon back in the picture and to convince him to help rally the north around Stannis, which I think is really the only way Stannis/the North can continue to contend. Aegon - I personally think he's a Blackfyre, but either way I feel like this is a safe bet. If Dorne doesn't back him, Tyrells will destroy him. Even if Dorne does aid him, once Dany lands I don't see him lasting long either (doubt she will believe him) I think UnCat's purpose is to revive Jon Snow. I think she will learn about who his true parents are assuming R+L=J is correct. After she learns this she will sacrifice herself to bring back Jon. I also think her sacrificing herself would be redemption for her.
The only reason I see for bringing Cat back is to a) show that its possible for Jon b) have her further the Brienne/Jamie story. Other than that, I don't really see what she can do that Beric Dondarrion couldn't.
On January 11 2013 12:23 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I doubt Aegon will die so early into his story. He still has to be a real threat to Daeny and Westeros before he will be recognized as a danger to the two. Invading the Stormlands is a start, but I expect Aegon to survive all that, and with powerful friends like Connington, Varys and many other Targaryen supporters in the shadows, he has protection and power.
Aegon already is a threat to Dany because once she learns about him, she's going to realize that a fake Targ (assuming the Blackfyre theory is right) is gathering all the supporters that she needs to conquer Westeros. That being said, I think he will survive for most of the next book. However, I believe the Tyrells still have the largest standing army and could easily crush Aegon unless Dorne steps in. I think the whole point of Aegon was to show Illyrio and Varys' big plan (planting a Blackfyre on the Iron Throne) and to also further destabilize Westeros so that an invasion by Dany or the Others would be that much more dangerous.
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One of the Golden Company commanders said they have friends in the Reach and that Mace Tyrell's forces isn't at large as he thinks. It's not as one-sided as you think
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On January 11 2013 11:24 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Because I read the topic from the ASoIaF forums, any predictions on who will die in TWoW? (If this was already done, sorry, I just couldn't find it from my short time searching this thread)
Expecting:
Boltons: Especially Ramsay (self-explanatory)
Brienne: I find her story arc boring, and I think her role as Jaime's counterpart and redeemer is nearly over
UnCat: Her story should have been over, and I find her Stoneheart persona quite boring and unnecessary
Littlefinger: His backstabbing and sneaking will find and end at one point, and unlike Varys, he doesn't have his omniscience
Freys: I want to see the patriarch of the family (forgot his name) see his family die in front of his eyes just as the Starks had it
Jojen: His story is almost over I feel, and he seems nearly dead anyways
Mormont or Daario: Mormont will likely die trying to save Daeny, while Daario will betray her and be killed soon after
Barristan: He is surrounded by enemies and an old man, unlikely to survive
Agree with:
Boltons- I think defeating them will be the biggest climax of twow
Walder Frey- I think he'll die from old age soon. Creating a power struggle between the remaining freys
Jojen- Maybe he'll survive in some kind of spirit form lol
Daario- I imagine he'll die before Dany leaves for Westeros
Disagree with:
Brienne- I thought she was dead in Feast. I don't think she'll "die" again
Cat- Hasn't done enough to die in twow
Littlefinger- still much of his hand left to be played. I think he'll survive through all the books
Mormont- He'll probably die sometime in the final book
Barristan- Hopefully won't die until he reaches Westeros. I could see him surviving over everyone. Just because that's what hes good at.
Others:
Jaime- I could see Jaime dying. But I really think he's going to be the one to fulfill Cersei's "choking brother" prophecy. And I think that will happen in the final book.
Samwell- I could see him having a heroic death. The type of death that happens in twow, and whets the blade for more deaths in the finale
Theon- too many people hate him. He's bound to die soon
Margaery- I just don't see a good role for her in the last book. I think she'll die in twow
Victarion- When he dies, he'll curse Euron with his last breath
Doran- he's so close to death now. Then Arianne will be in charge, and the she'll have to deal with the sandsnakes
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I haven't read the last book recently so I'm not sure if this is 100% correct, but the reason I say it will be one-sided between Tyrells and Aegon is because of the Lannisters. IIRC, they still have a pretty good force left, and now they are essentially leaderless. Kevan is dead, Jamie has his own problems and I doubt Cersei will be able to recover. Barring some new Lannister stepping in, that leaves the Tyrells in command of Lannister forces through Tommen.
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I also think Doran will die. Dorne decending into chaos would create for an entertaining plot.
Chances are high Arianne will die too in the same stroke, or slightly afterwards.
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On January 11 2013 14:55 LaLuSh wrote:
I also think Doran will die. Dorne decending into chaos would create for an entertaining plot.
Chances are high Arianne will die too in the same stroke, or slightly afterwards.
I think if Arianne died as well, there would be too much chaos. At least if she lives, she'll still retain some power over the sandsnakes. If both her and Doran died, there would be too much of a power gap because no one knows what happened to Quentyn, and Trystane is probably too young too rule. With all the ensuing chaos, I feel Dorne would be rendered too impotent to make much impact in the grand scheme of things. And since Dorne took such a slow time to develop into the plot, it would feel unfitting to deal them such a devastating blow before they could really do anything.
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I don't think there is time for a sub-plot of Dorne descending into the complete chaos that would ensue from both Arianne and Doran dying. I would rate Arianne very highly on the surviving-the-story hierarchy.
The single most interesting character on the "will he live or die in the next book" question has to be Jaime by a huge margin. We last saw him walking into what would be expected to be a death sentence but he still has things to tie up and theories to fulfill.
He hasn't been mentioned yet (in the last two pages) so I'll add him again: Stannis is a dead man walking. He's fulfilled his purpose.
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Impossible, there are still to many dead-pan one-liners for Stannis to deliver.
You can never have enough of the Mannis
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No the single most interesting character on the will he live or die is Jon.
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On January 11 2013 15:48 Irrelevant Label wrote:
I don't think there is time for a sub-plot of Dorne descending into the complete chaos that would ensue from both Arianne and Doran dying. I would rate Arianne very highly on the surviving-the-story hierarchy.
The single most interesting character on the "will he live or die in the next book" question has to be Jaime by a huge margin. We last saw him walking into what would be expected to be a death sentence but he still has things to tie up and theories to fulfill.
He hasn't been mentioned yet (in the last two pages) so I'll add him again: Stannis is a dead man walking. He's fulfilled his purpose.
Stannis just doesn't fucking die. He'll live on.. for a while I think, I still think he has a role to play. I'm interested, wat purpose do u think he fulfilled in the story?
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I think Littlefinger will have a pretty prominent role in the conclusions of the series. It's like him and Varys in a proxy war over Westeros. Littlefinger controls the former kingdoms of Riverrun, the Vale, and through Sansa, the North. Imagine the twist in the North when they discover Sansa is alive. With the Lannisters at war with the Tyrells, and Dorne going all in with Dany, this could set things up for another war of the five kings situation.
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On January 11 2013 18:59 BluePanther wrote:
I think Littlefinger will have a pretty prominent role in the conclusions of the series. It's like him and Varys in a proxy war over Westeros. Littlefinger controls the former kingdoms of Riverrun, the Vale, and through Sansa, the North. Imagine the twist in the North when they discover Sansa is alive. With the Lannisters at war with the Tyrells, and Dorne going all in with Dany, this could set things up for another war of the five kings situation.
The one who controls Rickon will take the north not the one who controls Sansa. I believe males are always first in the line of succession except maybe the Targaryens.
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How do people feel about what Theon has gone through at the hands (or should I say cloven hooves) of Ramsey? Does he deserve all that pain, suffering, and humilation for betraying Robb, who was practically his brother, or does no one deserve the hell that Ramsey put him through? I'm conflicted about this, really. I used to hate him with a passion, but most of that has turned to pity. I'm actually hoping GRRM will give him a quick death with a little side of redemption, but perhaps he still has an important role to play with Asha and the rest of his family. It would also be interesting to see him meet Jon again (we all know he's coming back in one form or another), though I doubt Jon would recongise Reek as Theon.
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if reek could pass as theon to strangers at 'Arya's' wedding, I'm certain Jon would recognize him.
I agree whole heartedly with your other sentiments. and now, thanks to that idea, I'm looking forward to their reunion being theon's redemption via Jon's compassion and forgiveness. that would be somewhat heartwarming given what Ramsay has done.
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On January 11 2013 23:47 Gene wrote:
if reek could pass as theon to strangers at 'Arya's' wedding, I'm certain Jon would recognize him.
I agree whole heartedly with your other sentiments. and now, thanks to that idea, I'm looking forward to their reunion being theon's redemption via Jon's compassion and forgiveness. that would be somewhat heartwarming given what Ramsay has done.
That's providing Jon doesn't run him through immediately after recognising him for who he is. He still thinks Theon killed Bran and Rickon. Speaking of that, I had actually forgotten that he killed two innocent boys to disguise them as the Stark boys. Now, I don't feel that so bad for him. Still, I guess no one really deserves to go through what he did, save perhaps Ramsey himself.
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I pity Theon, but he did have it coming. I think he was misguided rather than purely evil, but what he did was wrong beyond redemption. And that's coming from someone who thinks Jaime deserves redemption. I imagine people in Westeros would agree with me here, seeing as honour and loyalty are really important qualities in the books.
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On May 23 2011 08:05 cyberspace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 07:55 Sanjuro wrote:
didnt Catelyn speak to Brianne in book 4? well my opinion is the house of stark downfall was caused by Catelyn, everything she did or ask just gets people in more trouble. I always blamed Sansa. If she hadn't went and told Cersei that they were leaving King's Landing, I think they could have all gotten away. And the story would be completely different. Can you imagine if Ned was around? How many people would rally behind him instead of the Lannisters.
Actually, all the major events in a Game of Thrones are a direct consequence of Bran climbing the walls of the castle at the wrong time.
That's a pretty huge butterfly effect.
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OK, I finished the third book. Less than 150 pages were left before the ending, and a lot of stuff had already happened, so I was expecting the book to cool off and set up things for the next book. Well it did that, but on top if it a lot of shit went down... holy crap.
I liked book three the best of all of the ones I read so far, but perhaps only because I largely knew what would happen in 1&2 because I watched Game of Thrones first.
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