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On January 02 2013 15:03 Dakkas wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 14:46 TigerKarl wrote:On January 02 2013 14:05 hooahah wrote:
I haven't been following the scene for a year or so, are there any news/updates regarding the 6th book? I can't find the links right now, but i believe to remember that GRRM has stated to have written around ~400 pages, which would mean around 25-33% of what the book will probably contain. Personally i feel like autumn of 2014 might be possible if he's not to busy with other projects or hanging around. Keep in mind around 200 pages were originally meant to be in Dance but were cut out due to size reasons. Likely he's written around 200 new pages instead [/pessimistic]
Not to mention that he's also working on the show now too, on top of all the book tours and what not he goes to. 
Realistically I think he'll finish shortly before the show catches up... whenever that is.
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Gorgeous brunette on the bus today reading AFFC...could not work up the balls to talk to her D: I even had my own copy on me! fml
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On January 02 2013 13:27 Tewks44 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 13:02 HardlyNever wrote:On January 02 2013 11:57 Dakkas wrote:On January 02 2013 02:04 HardlyNever wrote:On December 30 2012 13:20 Dakkas wrote:On December 30 2012 05:13 HardlyNever wrote:After poking around a bit on the Song of Fire and Ice wiki, it appears that this is a pretty common/popular theory for fans. That alone makes me think that GRRM won't put it in at this point, even if he may have originally intended to. It isn't much of a "twist" if a lot of people see it coming; he might do something bizarre and make the mother someone weird, but I don't see Jon not being Ned's son at this point. Just my two cents. http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jon_SnowAt the very bottom under parentage is the part I'm talking about. That is incredibly idiotic, you honestly think GRRM would change his originally planned story from nearly two decades ago because of what his fans think? He's said that he's not changing the story because of us Wow angry much? And yeah, I would. I don't think you know much about the writing world. The whole point of something like that would to be a surprise to the audience, and if a good portion of the audience has already figured it out... what is the point? I think you are taking the books too seriously. They are made up, you know that right? He doesn't "need" to do anything as "originally planned." Also, where in the world are you getting that GRRM has an "original plan?" He has had to chop up books, delay delay delay, and rewrite things time and time again, by his own admission. Doesn't seem like he has some grand master plan. A bit on his writing process is here: http://grrm.livejournal.com/217066.html#cutid1I'm not even assuming that this theory is "correct," and if I had to put money on it, I do think Ned will be Jon's real father after all. You might want to do some research on the author and how he works before you start calling people "idiotic." You sort of look that way right now. I love that argument "DO YOU KNOW THE BOOKS AREN'T REAL???". Because that is like the most passive aggressive question you can ask anyone while looking so lofty and intelligent. Do you think you're a better person with that incredibly inane rhetorical question? Does that validate everything you've said? Please at least everything I've said is related and not straw-man Now I don't know what writing world you're in, maybe the cheap low class Hollywood one? Or maybe something reminiscent of Twilight. BTW that was me being passive aggressive! Aren't I smart? Anyway, my point is that aSoIaF is Gurm's magnum opus, something he's been working on for around two decades now and can likely come close to a third. In this time he has gained an immense following and now he's one of the most well known writers in the world. Now with that in mind, pray tell with your vastly more logical understanding what real writer with integrity will sacrifice decades of build-up just for a "suprise" that will only "surprise" his hard-core fans? Casual readers won't get it and it won't surprise them, they already think Ned + X = Jon, it won't surprise tv show viewers either because there's no R+L=J in there either. The only people that it'll get are the people that spend many hours on the internet, which as other people have pointed out is a lot less than you think. So going with your view-point, if Ned really is the dad then it means that it will surprise a relatively small amount of readers because everyone else already thinks Ned is the dad. Wow, that's great writing right there. Superb stuff, Tolkien would be proud. Even ignoring that, how would you explain all the build-up and hints in the books? Are they all a coincidence and are red herrings? What is the promise that Ned tarnished his honor for? But silly me, who cares about hints and foreshadowing? That is meaningless, asoiaf doesn't have any foreshadowing ever and it doesn't need it! And so what if it does? That doesn't compare to a surprise! PS. You completely misunderstood his writing process, what he has done is make the story longer. He hasn't said that he's changed major story events, the closest is the 5-year time-skip however what happened during then was what mainly happen in Feast and Dance and likely some of Winds Yeah, you're just kind of angry. I didn't even really read most of what you said b/c I saw a lot of raging. I'm just going to ignore you at this point and we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think the story would be better if Ned is Jon's father. That is all I can really say at this point. But you can go on with the raging and name calling. It makes you look cool. I think Rheagar being Jon's father would be a reveal as cool as Darth Vadar being Luke's father.
Funnily enough, Alfie Allen (who plays Theon Greyjoy) asked GRRM who Jon's parents are and Alfie called it a bit of a "Luke Skywalker situation."
On January 02 2013 14:45 armada[sb] wrote:
I'm sorry, the notion that GRRM will change HIS story based on a THEORY that a MINORITY of fans have is just silly.
GRRM didn't mention R+L=J specifically, but he talked a bit about how Lost's story was ruined because the fan theories were too close to the truth so the writers changed it so the fan theories didn't come true.
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On January 03 2013 14:07 Wolfswood wrote:
Gorgeous brunette on the bus today reading AFFC...could not work up the balls to talk to her D: I even had my own copy on me! fml
Just ask yourself: "What would Robert do? What would Rhaegar do?"
They were out there starting rebellions and fighting wars over women. And you just let one slip away without even talking to her, haha ;p
On January 03 2013 14:11 LoLAdriankat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 14:45 armada[sb] wrote:
I'm sorry, the notion that GRRM will change HIS story based on a THEORY that a MINORITY of fans have is just silly. GRRM didn't mention R+L=J specifically, but he talked a bit about how Lost's story was ruined because the fan theories were too close to the truth so the writers changed it so the fan theories didn't come true.
Oh, thats interesting. Well, there's definitely a lesson to be learned there, because most of my friends who watched Lost didn't like the ending. Probably best if GRRM sticks to what he intended originally. But... he's also not under the same kind of time contraint as a tv writer. He could take another ten years until the next book, and spend that time changing stuff around to however he sees fit.
Also, a lot of people are mentioning that its only a minority of people that are aware of the R+L=J theory, but I'm not so sure. Whenever I meet someone else who has read asoiaf, they're always really eager to talk about theories and ideas for what can happen. And since R+L=J is a pivotal theory, I'd honestly imagine its pretty widely discussed. I would bet the majority of people who have read up to and through ADWD are aware of the theory
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On January 03 2013 14:07 Wolfswood wrote:
Gorgeous brunette on the bus today reading AFFC...could not work up the balls to talk to her D: I even had my own copy on me! fml
In pretty much the same situation I once approached her with a quote but she didn't get it and just looked at me confused :/
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So I'm at about page 750 of A Storm of Swords and... what... the... fuck... Before I started that particular chapter after The Dog arrived at The Twins with Arya, I said to myself "well I'll read this one more chapter then go to sleep". Fuck that.
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When I was in the middle of reading the GoT books I'd do stuff like starting a session at 10 PM, and then find myself still reading by 8 AM.  Fucking books, gets ya hooked.
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about time the next book comes out
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On January 03 2013 15:45 itkovian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 14:07 Wolfswood wrote:
Gorgeous brunette on the bus today reading AFFC...could not work up the balls to talk to her D: I even had my own copy on me! fml Just ask yourself: "What would Robert do? What would Rhaegar do?" They were out there starting rebellions and fighting wars over women. And you just let one slip away without even talking to her, haha ;p
Yeah, kidnap her, just like Rhaegar did!(or not. :p)
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On January 08 2013 19:49 antilyon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 15:45 itkovian wrote:On January 03 2013 14:07 Wolfswood wrote:
Gorgeous brunette on the bus today reading AFFC...could not work up the balls to talk to her D: I even had my own copy on me! fml Just ask yourself: "What would Robert do? What would Rhaegar do?" They were out there starting rebellions and fighting wars over women. And you just let one slip away without even talking to her, haha ;p Yeah, kidnap her, just like Rhaegar did!(or not. :p)
haha. Well, i don't think we have enough information to determine if it was actually kidnap. Do we? idk. It's quite possible they ran off together. They may have loved each other and decided to leave before Lyanna married Robert. Just because she was engaged to Robert doesn't mean she wanted to marry him.
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We have enough information to pretty well dismiss the "kidnap" label being applied to R+L, unless someone is really adamant about it technically being non-zero.
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Big Bobby B is pretty adamant
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mmm yes! I have the biggest crush on Arianne...short girls with big boobs ftw :D
Sounds like Waters will become an interesting player...actually I wouldn't be surprised to see him and Arianne run into each other, and then in to each other, if ya know what I'm sayin' 
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Arianne opens her legs for anyone that's remotely attractive. She's Cersei but less of a bitch and more 'good'
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Yeah because Arianne has people tortured and murdered all the time...she may be a bit on the slutty side, but how else is a noblewoman to maneuver politically? What other power does she have?
Comparing Arianne to Cersei is unfair and shallow, perhaps even sexist.
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I hate to be lewd, but damn, that drawing of her is hot.
I like her character for the most part. Definitely better than reading Catelyn, Cersei or Brienne chapters. Though I do resent her a bit for manipulating Oakheart, and for her failed plan with Princess Myrcella.
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On January 09 2013 15:02 Wolfswood wrote:
Yeah because Arianne has people tortured and murdered all the time...she may be a bit on the slutty side, but how else is a noblewoman to maneuver politically? What other power does she have?
Comparing Arianne to Cersei is unfair and shallow, perhaps even sexist.
Yes you are right, that was shallow of me. I do like them both in ways, Arianne because she does have altruistic intentions and Cersei because she's such a joke
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Arianne is the shit. Martells are the shit. AFFC on the re-read was so much more enjoyable because of them.
+ Show Spoiler [preview] +Interesting chapter, confirms Dany vs. Aegon will happen, IMO reveals more of the Blackfyre theory (or at least mentioning to the reader the possibility to lessen the "wut" of any future reveal). Dorne seems like will be siding with Aegon most likely, to even out the playing field versus Dany's dragons. Arianne's thoughts about Dany kind of echo this as well, sort of a "well if dany didn't give a shit about viserys dying so she could get the crown, neither will i". Also too bad Aurane didn't go to Stannis .
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