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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
Some combination of Viserion jumping on him like a dog on it's master who just got home from a long trip and a simple riddle from Quaithe might do it. Howland Reed seems like someone who could show up in a position of credibility and tell him as well. I wouldn't rule a dragon dream type vision either. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32754 Posts
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Dakkas
2550 Posts
On December 30 2012 05:13 HardlyNever wrote: After poking around a bit on the Song of Fire and Ice wiki, it appears that this is a pretty common/popular theory for fans. That alone makes me think that GRRM won't put it in at this point, even if he may have originally intended to. It isn't much of a "twist" if a lot of people see it coming; he might do something bizarre and make the mother someone weird, but I don't see Jon not being Ned's son at this point. Just my two cents. http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jon_Snow At the very bottom under parentage is the part I'm talking about. That is incredibly idiotic, you honestly think GRRM would change his originally planned story from nearly two decades ago because of what his fans think? He's said that he's not changing the story because of us | ||
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chino891
United States26 Posts
On December 30 2012 13:20 Dakkas wrote: That is incredibly idiotic, you honestly think GRRM would change his originally planned story from nearly two decades ago because of what his fans think? He's said that he's not changing the story because of us I agree with you, but there is a difference between being wrong and being an idiot. | ||
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Dakkas
2550 Posts
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DJ Roomba
158 Posts
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TigerKarl
1757 Posts
Of all his readers about 1% actually gets in contact with these theories. You do the math why GRRM won't change the story, based on what people have figured out and you should also say goodbye to the idea that GRRM mainly writes for those who would consider themselves the hardcore fans and visit westeros.org and other forums to find out about theories. | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
Is it me or does the fact that the Red Priests refer to the god of Ice and Death as "The Other God" seem important to anyone else? "The Others", "God of Ice", "God of Death", "A song of Fire and Ice" Seems like "The Others" (and possibly Ice Dragons) are minions of the Ice god, while the Dragons are adherents of the Fire god. Both the Others and the Dragons notice their powers rising at the same time. It cannot be coincidence, I just wonder how relevant this ultimately is. This is the closest I got: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Great_Other Re the other conversation about Jon Snow. It makes too much sense for it not to be that, as it would also permit him to be Azor Ahai. Logically, it probably means that Lightbringer is the Nights Watch, which makes sense as well given the story. "I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men." Lightbringer was said to burn even in the cold. The light that brings the dawn = Lightbringer. Azor Ahai awakes the stone dragons on Dragonstone, and we all know about a certain horn with Fiery Capacities already in existence... Would play right into the fact that Fire (Dragons/Fire god) fights Ice (Others/Ice god) | ||
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
On December 30 2012 19:06 BluePanther wrote: Just curious because I don't see this in the wiki you linked (which is rather extensive). Is it me or does the fact that the Red Priests refer to the god of Ice and Death as "The Other God" seem important to anyone else? "The Others", "God of Ice", "God of Death", "A song of Fire and Ice" Seems like "The Others" (and possibly Ice Dragons) are minions of the Ice god, while the Dragons are adherents of the Fire god. Both the Others and the Dragons notice their powers rising at the same time. It cannot be coincidence, I just wonder how relevant this ultimately is. This is the closest I got: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Great_Other Re the other conversation about Jon Snow. It makes too much sense for it not to be that, as it would also permit him to be Azor Ahai. Logically, it probably means that Lightbringer is the Nights Watch, which makes sense as well given the story. "I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men." Lightbringer was said to burn even in the cold. The light that brings the dawn = Lightbringer. Azor Ahai awakes the stone dragons on Dragonstone, and we all know about a certain horn with Fiery Capacities already in existence... Would play right into the fact that Fire (Dragons/Fire god) fights Ice (Others/Ice god) Yeah, the whole series seems to be building up to a mega defense at the wall, where the whole united realm defends against the power of the Others. Honestly, I'm not excited for it. The Others are one of the only forces in GRRM's universe that seem like pure evil, without multidimensional characteristics. Too black and white for me. But if you're a fan of fight scenes, it should be pretty entertaining. Jon Snow and Dany and probably Aegon riding around on their dragons pew-pewing evil ice demons. | ||
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Dakkas
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Ario
Canada73 Posts
On December 31 2012 13:39 itkovian wrote: Yeah, the whole series seems to be building up to a mega defense at the wall, where the whole united realm defends against the power of the Others. Honestly, I'm not excited for it. The Others are one of the only forces in GRRM's universe that seem like pure evil, without multidimensional characteristics. Too black and white for me. But if you're a fan of fight scenes, it should be pretty entertaining. Jon Snow and Dany and probably Aegon riding around on their dragons pew-pewing evil ice demons. I personally don't see it ending up like that. GRRM has done a pretty good job of making almost all of his characters not black and white, and I don't see why it would be any different in this case. I think he'll probably explore more into the Others in book 6 to give them some more depth so that they are more than the evil zombies they seem to be now. As for the R + L = J theory, I think GRRM has stated before that he won't change the book based on fan theories. I'm in the middle of re-reading the books again, and there seems to be so much evidence for it that I would be pretty disappointed if it weren't true. | ||
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
On December 31 2012 13:39 itkovian wrote: Yeah, the whole series seems to be building up to a mega defense at the wall, where the whole united realm defends against the power of the Others. Honestly, I'm not excited for it. The Others are one of the only forces in GRRM's universe that seem like pure evil, without multidimensional characteristics. Too black and white for me. But if you're a fan of fight scenes, it should be pretty entertaining. Jon Snow and Dany and probably Aegon riding around on their dragons pew-pewing evil ice demons. Well if you think it will simply be a narrative of Ice 1a2a3a4a and Fire 1a2a3a4a that is silly. Sure some attack move commands will be used, but I think there will be a lot of transitioning of power on Fire side whilst this happens, specifically, I highly doubt the 3 dragons and 3 riders will survive the entire time and more specifically I think 1 or more dragons will have more than a single rider (whether the previous rider will die or simply give up his dragon IDK, but will be interesting regardless). But I think GRRM deserves more credit than to actually believe his book (or even a chapter) will be in black and white. No no no my dear I do not believe that will happen. Also I do not believe the wall will stand throughout the remaining story. Nope I see it falling and then the world of men saying "oh, shits actually going down in the north, hmm". | ||
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
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Ender985
Spain910 Posts
Big Fire vs Ice battle might happen, but I see it happening way further down the wall, where it will hit all those snobs of Kings Landing and Highgarden right in their faces, hopefully prompting them to stop fighting their petty power battles and start fighting for the survival of Westeros. Also, Bran saves all in the end. You heard it here first (or maybe not xD) | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On December 31 2012 14:48 itkovian wrote: Yeah, I guess I should say I don't necessarily believe that a big black/white battle will happen. I'm just worried that it could happen. But I should put more trust in GRRM. He's led us well thus far. The more likely route (if such could be said about GRRM) is that instead of that big black/white battle, the seven kingdoms continue to squabble amongst themselves, Dany expends almost all of her forces trying to take back Westeros, and in the end the Others easily sweep over the entire continent, game over. Don't put it past him. | ||
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scudst0rm
Canada1149 Posts
On December 31 2012 13:39 itkovian wrote: The Others are one of the only forces in GRRM's universe that seem like pure evil, without multidimensional characteristics. Too black and white for me. That's quite an assumption considering we have very little information or understanding of the Others. | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
On January 01 2013 02:45 scudst0rm wrote: That's quite an assumption considering we have very little information or understanding of the Others. It is worse than just a bold assumption. We already know that fire consumes while cold preserves. The very first tidbits and it's already not black and white in terms of typical interests for a human point of view. | ||
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
On January 01 2013 08:16 Irrelevant Label wrote: It is worse than just a bold assumption. We already know that fire consumes while cold preserves. The very first tidbits and it's already not black and white in terms of typical interests for a human point of view. what? Anyways, based off all I've read about the Others in the books, there doesn't seem to be any reason to support them. They seem entirely opposed all the characters we are rooting for in the series. I don't think there is one character we know that affiliates with them at this point. The entire wall and the Night's Watch are established to defend against the Others. Melisandre preaches against the Others. Dany has dragons, and as we've been told dragons and dragonfire are meant to oppose the Others. Cold Hands, who seems the most like the Others, fights against them. Bran, who seemed like the one character set up to give us insight, or understanding into their motives, was attacked by them. The Children of the Forest have wards up to protect their people from them. At this point, the Others appear nothing other than merciless killers with no allies. That's not to say they won't become something different, i'm only saying thats what they appear to be right now. GRRM will undoubtedly teach us more about them in the next couple books. And maybe they'll turn out to be behind some cause I can support. But right now, it appears the Others only bent on pwning humans. | ||
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Wolfswood
United States349 Posts
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BallinWitStalin
1177 Posts
On December 31 2012 13:39 itkovian wrote: Yeah, the whole series seems to be building up to a mega defense at the wall, where the whole united realm defends against the power of the Others. Honestly, I'm not excited for it. The Others are one of the only forces in GRRM's universe that seem like pure evil, without multidimensional characteristics. Too black and white for me. But if you're a fan of fight scenes, it should be pretty entertaining. Jon Snow and Dany and probably Aegon riding around on their dragons pew-pewing evil ice demons. Jon Snow, Dany, and Tyrion riding dragons. Tyrion (more or less said this): "When I was a child, I used to dream of riding dragons"....Goes on to say that as an adult he learned that was just a childhood fantasy. THINK AGAIN. | ||
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