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Conti
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Kyuukyuu
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Conti
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On January 09 2013 18:23 Kyuukyuu wrote: fair enough, my bad No worries. I haven't felt spoiled yet, but it's gonna happen sooner or later, so I figured I'd complain before it happens and not after.  | ||
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hns
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(also, wtf is it with the colors on GRRMs page..) | ||
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feanor1
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domane
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On January 09 2013 10:23 Dakkas wrote: tWoW Arianne Sample Chapter 1 Now I can't access the Theon sample chapter. Does anyone know where to read it? | ||
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Irrelevant Label
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I never thought of Arianne as altruistic aligned Cersei but with this I have to give the comparison some credit. Overall I think it is inaccurate though and just an over generalization based on the sex thing. The only real statement is that they are both hot and willing to use it; not so much of a great similarity. Sex as a tool is simply too pragmatic. Women in that society have fewer enough tools to work with that anything potent cannot be ignored by anyone who wants to be effective. It is like if we tried to call Jaime and Sandor similar because they are both direct and combative. Really it is just that they are both strong and highly skilled swordsmen who tend(ed) to be at their most effective that way and it is expected in their society. Their personality traits are not actually very similar. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On January 10 2013 09:20 domane wrote: Now I can't access the Theon sample chapter. Does anyone know where to read it? https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4uB5dqTYBLwOVFZS19RLTFFbDA/edit?pli=1 | ||
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Dakkas
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On January 10 2013 10:56 Irrelevant Label wrote: The part about cyvasse and having pieces other than the dragon seemed a bit direct....forced?...unpolished? I look forward to seeing if that little section is modified in the final. I never thought of Arianne as altruistic aligned Cersei but with this I have to give the comparison some credit. Overall I think it is inaccurate though and just an over generalization based on the sex thing. The only real statement is that they are both hot and willing to use it; not so much of a great similarity. Sex as a tool is simply too pragmatic. Women in that society have fewer enough tools to work with that anything potent cannot be ignored by anyone who wants to be effective. It is like if we tried to call Jaime and Sandor similar because they are both direct and combative. Really it is just that they are both strong and highly skilled swordsmen who tend(ed) to be at their most effective that way and it is expected in their society. Their personality traits are not actually very similar. Blame it on me not reading the story deeply enough during my first read through however both of them can be classified as high standing power-seeking women that are willing to sleep their way to the top and wanting more power. Cersei being queen and Arianne is showing signs of wanting to be Queen instead of Quentyn being King. Yes it was shallow of me because Cersei is a complete bitch however Arianne does have more good to her than bad but my similarities stand | ||
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
On January 10 2013 11:02 Kyuukyuu wrote: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4uB5dqTYBLwOVFZS19RLTFFbDA/edit?pli=1 Thanks | ||
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DarkSpectre
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On January 10 2013 12:30 PhoenixVoid wrote: I finished the first five book over the winter break, and I gotta say, there is no writer who caught my attention quite like Martin. There are rarely any chapters that doesn't leave me hungering for another chapter, which leads on to another one, until I finally fall to sleep. Loving the series so far, and happy that TWOW will come out sooner than the AFFC and ADWD. I'm not sure about that. | ||
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
On January 10 2013 10:56 Irrelevant Label wrote: The part about cyvasse and having pieces other than the dragon seemed a bit direct....forced?...unpolished? I look forward to seeing if that little section is modified in the final. I took that largely at face value. From what I understand of cyvasse (and I haven't researched it, just from what I've gleaned from reading the books) the dragon seems to be sort like the queen in chess in that is the strongest piece but you only have one. I guess you could read something about Daenreys or the Targaryens into it. Or that she only focuses on the strongest things. I mainly just took it as a filler line more than anything. | ||
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itkovian
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On January 10 2013 15:05 HardlyNever wrote: I took that largely at face value. From what I understand of cyvasse (and I haven't researched it, just from what I've gleaned from reading the books) the dragon seems to be sort like the queen in chess in that is the strongest piece but you only have one. I guess you could read something about Daenreys or the Targaryens into it. Or that she only focuses on the strongest things. I mainly just took it as a filler line more than anything. I definitely think it has a little meaning to it. I figured it was referencing Dany, but I could be wrong there. Maybe its just a reflection on her lack of strategy, because as you said, I think the Dragon is supposed to be analogous to the queen in chess. And players that focus only on their most powerful piece are doing a bad job. Btw, reading that Arianne chapter reminded me how much I hate when characters mention the game of thrones when talking about politics. It feels hackneyed now. I generally mislike hearing the title in the work, and repeating it over and over only makes it more annoying. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
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Expecting: Boltons: Especially Ramsay (self-explanatory) Brienne: I find her story arc boring, and I think her role as Jaime's counterpart and redeemer is nearly over UnCat: Her story should have been over, and I find her Stoneheart persona quite boring and unnecessary Littlefinger: His backstabbing and sneaking will find and end at one point, and unlike Varys, he doesn't have his omniscience Freys: I want to see the patriarch of the family (forgot his name) see his family die in front of his eyes just as the Starks had it Jojen: His story is almost over I feel, and he seems nearly dead anyways Mormont or Daario: Mormont will likely die trying to save Daeny, while Daario will betray her and be killed soon after Barristan: He is surrounded by enemies and an old man, unlikely to survive | ||
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Ario
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On January 11 2013 11:24 PhoenixVoid wrote: Because I read the topic from the ASoIaF forums, any predictions on who will die in TWoW? (If this was already done, sorry, I just couldn't find it from my short time searching this thread) Expecting: Boltons: Especially Ramsay (self-explanatory) Brienne: I find her story arc boring, and I think her role as Jaime's counterpart and redeemer is nearly over UnCat: Her story should have been over, and I find her Stoneheart persona quite boring and unnecessary Littlefinger: His backstabbing and sneaking will find and end at one point, and unlike Varys, he doesn't have his omniscience Freys: I want to see the patriarch of the family (forgot his name) see his family die in front of his eyes just as the Starks had it Jojen: His story is almost over I feel, and he seems nearly dead anyways Mormont or Daario: Mormont will likely die trying to save Daeny, while Daario will betray her and be killed soon after Barristan: He is surrounded by enemies and an old man, unlikely to survive I agree with Boltons/Freys, Jojen and maybe Mormont or Daario dying, but I think (or at least hope) the rest will live. I don't see a point in killing UnCat yet, as she hasn't that much yet which would make it pointless for GRRM to bring her back. I also don't think Littlefinger will die yet as we haven't really seen his end game yet. I'I think it would be pretty cool too if Brienne and Jamie both died together in battle too. Other than that, I'm predicting: Cersei - She's pretty much lost all of her power, I see her storyline wrapping up fairly soon. Loras - I don't see the Tyrells winning in the end, so I expect them to start dying out. He seems the least important to the story of all the key Tyrells remaining, and he's apparently already seriously injured. Victarion - I was never really as interested in his storyline, but either way I see him becoming Quentyn 2.0  Davos - I know this is a little cliche, but him dying to save Rickon would be a simple way to get Rickon back in the picture and to convince him to help rally the north around Stannis, which I think is really the only way Stannis/the North can continue to contend. Aegon - I personally think he's a Blackfyre, but either way I feel like this is a safe bet. If Dorne doesn't back him, Tyrells will destroy him. Even if Dorne does aid him, once Dany lands I don't see him lasting long either (doubt she will believe him) | ||
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Dakkas
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
On January 11 2013 11:24 PhoenixVoid wrote: Because I read the topic from the ASoIaF forums, any predictions on who will die in TWoW? (If this was already done, sorry, I just couldn't find it from my short time searching this thread) Expecting: Boltons: Especially Ramsay (self-explanatory) Brienne: I find her story arc boring, and I think her role as Jaime's counterpart and redeemer is nearly over UnCat: Her story should have been over, and I find her Stoneheart persona quite boring and unnecessary Littlefinger: His backstabbing and sneaking will find and end at one point, and unlike Varys, he doesn't have his omniscience Freys: I want to see the patriarch of the family (forgot his name) see his family die in front of his eyes just as the Starks had it Jojen: His story is almost over I feel, and he seems nearly dead anyways Mormont or Daario: Mormont will likely die trying to save Daeny, while Daario will betray her and be killed soon after Barristan: He is surrounded by enemies and an old man, unlikely to survive I don't think Littlefinger is done yet. I think he has something left to "prove." I also think Jamie and Brienne still have to fall in love, and possibly even Jamie to die for her so he can become a "true knight." I guess both of those things could happen earlier in the book and then they die. Other than that, I wouldn't really mind seeing any of the others go. I kind of like Jojen, and he seems to know when/where he is going to die, so it might not be time for him yet. Like the poster above me said, we need to see more of "Stoneheart" for her to even really have a purpose yet, so I think she has some time left. Barristan is probably the safest bet out of all of them, as he seems to know his time is almost out anyhow. | ||
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