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Critter
United States196 Posts
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0x64
Finland4615 Posts
Someone else was using his helmet and that someone had found it on a grave. There are theories which makes sense, almost spoilers if you ask me, don't ask, don't look about it, enjoy the surprise if there is one to come. | ||
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Topin
Peru10116 Posts
also, whats the meaning of "the seed is strong" - Jon Arryn, is about roberts bastards or something else? | ||
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scudst0rm
Canada1149 Posts
On December 15 2012 22:25 Topin wrote: why people think Brienne died? what i can recall about her last chapter is that she was going to be hanged but in the last second she shouted something and the chapter ends, i think that she told zombie cat something, maybe a name like Arya, making Cat stop the execution and then give her a chance to prove herself. also, whats the meaning of "the seed is strong" - Jon Arryn, is about roberts bastards or something else? "the seed is strong" just means the Baratheon gene for black hair is very dominant. | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
On December 15 2012 22:25 Topin wrote: why people think Brienne died? what i can recall about her last chapter is that she was going to be hanged but in the last second she shouted something and the chapter ends, i think that she told zombie cat something, maybe a name like Arya, making Cat stop the execution and then give her a chance to prove herself. also, whats the meaning of "the seed is strong" - Jon Arryn, is about roberts bastards or something else? Because they have not read Dance yet. There is no way to be confused about the fact that she is alive while being up to date. "the seed is strong" is just a catch-phrase Jon Arryn took to for referring to one of his reasons to suspect the legitimacy of Cersei's children. No Baratheon has ever had hair that was not black. | ||
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OminouS
Sweden1343 Posts
I have 1000 and 1 questions, but the one on my mind right now is, why does so many lay so much focus around the Red Wedding? I felt that both Ned Starks and Jon Snows (if he really dies) deaths were much harder to deal with. I also feel that the TV show has given Robb much more emphasis overall than he ever got in the books. Ramsay also leaves a bad taste in my mouth. RW hardly makes top 5 in my book. I guess it's just a difference of opinions, but maybe someone can argue their thougths on the matter? | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On December 15 2012 22:25 Topin wrote: why people think Brienne died? what i can recall about her last chapter is that she was going to be hanged but in the last second she shouted something and the chapter ends, i think that she told zombie cat something, maybe a name like Arya, making Cat stop the execution and then give her a chance to prove herself. also, whats the meaning of "the seed is strong" - Jon Arryn, is about roberts bastards or something else? Brienne shouted "Sword" It's an answer to Stonehearts ultimatum. Sword or noose. I think "The seed is strong" refers to how Baratheon traits like haricolor (and hypothetically other traits) have always been dominant over Lannister and others. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On December 17 2012 20:20 OminouS wrote: Just finished the last book and I now feel comfortable to set my foot inside this thread. I have 1000 and 1 questions, but the one on my mind right now is, why does so many lay so much focus around the Red Wedding? I felt that both Ned Starks and Jon Snows (if he really dies) deaths were much harder to deal with. I also feel that the TV show has given Robb much more emphasis overall than he ever got in the books. Ramsay also leaves a bad taste in my mouth. RW hardly makes top 5 in my book. I guess it's just a difference of opinions, but maybe someone can argue their thougths on the matter? I agree that Neds death was unexpected but it had been built up to. He had been imprisoned and marked an enemy of the crown for calling Joffrey a pretender and Joffrey wasn't the forgiving type. Ned's death was unexpected but only shocking because we were under the illusion that Ned Stark was the main character but it happend in the first book before communitys had really started and by the time discussion began everyone had already gotten over it. The real twist was in the courtroom where Littlefinger revealed his color. And Jon. Myself I'm not shocked because I don't believe Jon is dead. And most of the community agree on this. Regardless if you believe Melisandre will ressurect him Thoros-Style or (which seem to have gotten more popular of late) Jon wargs in to Ghost nobody really believes Jon can be dead. Now, Robb Stark. First of all his death like Jon's and Ned's was unexpected. Myself I was probably biased by how much I wanted him to go north and beat the shit out of the ironborn but lets look at The Red Wedding. Walder Frey betray guest rights which is damn near sacred and unbreakable in the eyes of gods and men. And to top it of he does it during a wedding, normally the most joyous celebration you can find. You can't quickly describe the Red Wedding without missing how unfathomably evil the act was. As I was reading it I didn't understand what I was reading. The Rains of Castamare begins playing, Catelyn feels Edwyn's mail and slaps him and I still didn't understand what was going on the first time I read it, I couldn't understand it because it was so unthinkable. All of a sudden Robb is shot, quarrels are hailing and Frey's and Boltons are slaughtering even the unarmed women. Walder Fray watches the chaos from his throne and calls the men of to have a word. Everything slows down just enough for you too understand that it's Roose Bolton walking up to the Robb finnishing him. It is easily the most evil act in the books. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Oh, and what are the popular theories on what's causing the upcoming, cataclysmic winter, as well as controlling The Others, if there are any. I think I remember GRRM saying that the strange weather system had nothing to do with science/science fiction, meaning it was purely of a mythical nature. Is there some sort of evil god of winter waiting to be revealed? I can't think of any tidbits from the books that sheds light on, 'the main antagonist', so to say. | ||
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
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OminouS
Sweden1343 Posts
On December 17 2012 22:02 risk.nuke wrote: I agree that Neds death was unexpected but it had been built up to. He had been imprisoned and marked an enemy of the crown for calling Joffrey a pretender and Joffrey wasn't the forgiving type. Ned's death was unexpected but only shocking because we were under the illusion that Ned Stark was the main character but it happend in the first book before communitys had really started and by the time discussion began everyone had already gotten over it. The real twist was in the courtroom where Littlefinger revealed his color. And Jon. Myself I'm not shocked because I don't believe Jon is dead. And most of the community agree on this. Regardless if you believe Melisandre will ressurect him Thoros-Style or (which seem to have gotten more popular of late) Jon wargs in to Ghost nobody really believes Jon can be dead. Now, Robb Stark. First of all his death like Jon's and Ned's was unexpected. Myself I was probably biased by how much I wanted him to go north and beat the shit out of the ironborn but lets look at The Red Wedding. Walder Frey betray guest rights which is damn near sacred and unbreakable in the eyes of gods and men. And to top it of he does it during a wedding, normally the most joyous celebration you can find. You can't quickly describe the Red Wedding without missing how unfathomably evil the act was. As I was reading it I didn't understand what I was reading. The Rains of Castamare begins playing, Catelyn feels Edwyn's mail and slaps him and I still didn't understand what was going on the first time I read it, I couldn't understand it because it was so unthinkable. All of a sudden Robb is shot, quarrels are hailing and Frey's and Boltons are slaughtering even the unarmed women. Walder Fray watches the chaos from his throne and calls the men of to have a word. Everything slows down just enough for you too understand that it's Roose Bolton walking up to the Robb finnishing him. It is easily the most evil act in the books. I really don't agree about it being unexpected, I mean, naming three kings that would die, the other died, not a stretch that Robb would die as well. Also, Frey being a man of no honor also was pretty outspoken. I was a bit surprised Catelyn died as well, but other than that, I do not agree. | ||
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Topin
Peru10116 Posts
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
The Lannister were depleted themselves, what they had was the ironborn alliance and Tyrells who admittedly likely have the largest army of the houses but that's it. Take out the ironborn dagger and it's the Northmen and the Rivermen against the Reachmen. Probably favoring the fresh Reachmen however both the Vale (Most lords felt strongly they should support Robb) and Dorne (who hates Lannister and holds no love for Tyrells either) stood as potential allies for Robb. In terms of Millitary forces he was in trouble but nowhere near defeated. | ||
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Dakkas
2550 Posts
The Tyrell's army alone was greatly superior to the North/Riverland forces even before the fighting started and they did barely any fighting outside of routing Stannis' forces at Battle of Blackwater. While it's true the Vale wanted to join Robb however with crazy Lysa and LF being in control of the Vale, that was never going to happen no matter how much the bannerman wanted to fight. Additionally Dorne had its own plans that were specific for themselves bringing down the Lannisters, not other houses. | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
The nature of that distraction was never particularly concrete and Tywin made the gambit anyway. It was as a big-ish risk but ultimately his only real choice; if he lost KL and Cersei's children it is gg. LF had everything worked out before the Ironborn threat to Robb's rear came up. It (Ironborn actions) was all just a convenience to reduce the risk in Tywin's move. It didn't change a thing. Tywin was set to have the united forces of the Westerlands, Reach, most of the Stormlands and the Crownlands behind the Lannister claim giving him by far the dominating strength. Robb had betrayed his alliance with the Twins sacrificing both one of his key strategic points and his already much more limited numbers. Robb had lost and his death probably held the third largest surface area on the graph consisting of certainty on one axis and length of time on the other since Robert and Viserys. Victarion or Reektheon had better make something happen because the Ironborn have been uncannily irrelevant so far relative to how much fighting they have been in and how many PoVs they hold. All they have done is help fan chaos in the north and some Reach v Westerlands drama, which was all doomed to be roaring anyway. They are glorified pirates and they have been playing the part. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
I don't see anything wrong with Theon providing the perfect cover for Bran and Rickon to disappear under and then later maybe playing the informant on Farya as the only meaningful Ironborn actions though. If there just needs to be more pieces to act as filler they have been plenty fun in that role. Not everyone needs to be a player. | ||
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Dakkas
2550 Posts
On December 18 2012 15:33 Kyuukyuu wrote: If Vic manages to finally fucking bring Dany to Westeros all will be forgiven Forgiven? Victarian is already the best character in the book. I mean he already has the best name. I get hot just saying it VIC-TAR-REE-ON Seriously, just spend some time repeating that. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On December 18 2012 16:55 Dakkas wrote: Forgiven? Victarian is already the best character in the book. I mean he already has the best name. I get hot just saying it VIC-TAR-REE-ON Seriously, just spend some time repeating that. Lol. Not. He is a raping, murdering bastard who I hope dies sooner then later. If you consider him the best character what does that say about you? | ||
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