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Edit: Re-reading that makes me terrified that they have Jaime at the red wedding somehow and he is the one to kill Robb. That would be pretty terrible as a change all around. If that happens so much for show watchers ever being convinced to join the Jaime apologist society that is strong among readers. The cousin killing thing was bad enough.
They wouldn't have bothered to cast Roose Bolton if they were going to do this. Not to mention it would completely throw off Jamie and Brienne's storyline.
Re-read it again. They updated the blog post mentioning that whoever said that Jaime Lannister was at the RW was mistaken. I don't think Jaime would be able to kill Robb so quickly after losing his sword hand anyway (Jaime and Illyn Payne haven't even gotten the chance to train yet!).
I think there were like 3 or 4 scenes in season 2 where Roose Bolton and Robb Stark were discussing something, and then Talisa/Jeyne would show up and Robb would completely forget that Roose was there so he would just leave the room, lol.
Walder Frey and Roose Bolton don't like being slighted, as Robb will soon find out.
On December 07 2012 10:35 fabiano wrote: I wonder when the Reeds will come in, they are ESSENTIAL for the show and I really like those two characters
With Jojen's phophetic dreams, it's ridiculously easy to write them by having the Reeds finding them. I'm more concerned on how they split Bran and Rickon, especially since Rickon on Skagos becomes Davos' storyline
On December 07 2012 10:35 fabiano wrote: I wonder when the Reeds will come in, they are ESSENTIAL for the show and I really like those two characters
I honestly thought they could have cut the Reeds and made it ok. They could have had Osha and Rickon go all the way to the wall with Bran and Hoder, splitting the Jojen stuff between Bran and Osha like the did with the water dream and have Osha cover all Meera's survival tough girl stuff. Then when they reached the wall and met Coldhands they could have split apart with Osha and Rickon going their own way to reconverge with the books. I'm glad they didn't do this but I think it would have worked for the show - barring whatever roles the Reeds have past dwd of course.
In the same vein I was happily surprised to see they cast Olenna. The way they made Margaery much more politically active and overtly schemey I thought they might just have her do all the Olenna stuff herself. Again I'm glad they didn't because I like that character a lot.
Part of me wonders if the show is actually spoiling the books a bit by letting us know who is important. I thought Stannis' daughter was a sure cut from the show but since they bothered to cast her maybe she matters in the final books...?
I don't think it counts as 'spoiling the books' if it's based on maybes and buts... you just have to wait and see. As in the end they syill have you guessing and making assumptions not actusl facts
This has probably been talked about, but this thread is immense. Anyone else thrown off about the Sansa/Sandor storyline? If she leaves then she isn't there to marry Tyrion. Totally screws with my head that they would take out such a crucial part. :S
On December 07 2012 13:52 Panthae wrote: This has probably been talked about, but this thread is immense. Anyone else thrown off about the Sansa/Sandor storyline? If she leaves then she isn't there to marry Tyrion. Totally screws with my head that they would take out such a crucial part. :S
What do you mean? They had all the major SanSan moments, what moment are you talking about? Are you talking about the show?
On December 07 2012 10:13 LoLAdriankat wrote: Re-read it again. They updated the blog post mentioning that whoever said that Jaime Lannister was at the RW was mistaken. I don't think Jaime would be able to kill Robb so quickly after losing his sword hand anyway (Jaime and Illyn Payne haven't even gotten the chance to train yet!).
That note was already there when I read it. Your point is not necessarily true. A trusted source saying that no Lannisters are at the RW could have been any reader who they know doesn't BS them saying that there are none in the books. They do not specify that this is a trusted source with knowledge of the show's plot saying that the show does not.
The book's events are also not a reliable explanation of details in the show's events for little things like "how would Jaime even be there?". You might as well say "how could Doreah have betrayed Dany, she was dead in the red waste?" However highly similar and with nearly all the same nouns it's ultimately a different story.
A terrible change like that probably isn't happening for a number of reasons, but then again they already half ruined Jaime with that kinslaying sociopath crap.
I too have been wondering about 'metagaming' it with regard to wondering if certain casting or detail selection in the show amounts to evidence relevant to the books. The big one is the more or less complete absence of R+L=J hints in the show. No Ned exposition, relevant parts from the house of the undying unused, no bloodraven (in the watch), no discussion of Rhaegar or any of the relevant discussion of Lyanna...the only things left are a couple that do not stand on their own at all. Those being Ned's word mincing and unwillingness to even discuss Jon's mother with Robert. If an R+L flashback hadn't been filmed but cut and it wasn't such a nearly shut case in the books I'd start to have a bit of doubt.
On December 07 2012 13:52 Panthae wrote: This has probably been talked about, but this thread is immense. Anyone else thrown off about the Sansa/Sandor storyline? If she leaves then she isn't there to marry Tyrion. Totally screws with my head that they would take out such a crucial part. :S
What do you mean? They had all the major SanSan moments, what moment are you talking about? Are you talking about the show?
Yeah, well how in the show it doesnt coincide at all with what happens in the book. :S
On December 07 2012 13:52 Panthae wrote: This has probably been talked about, but this thread is immense. Anyone else thrown off about the Sansa/Sandor storyline? If she leaves then she isn't there to marry Tyrion. Totally screws with my head that they would take out such a crucial part. :S
What do you mean? They had all the major SanSan moments, what moment are you talking about? Are you talking about the show?
Yeah, well how in the show it doesnt coincide at all with what happens in the book. :S
I don't know what you mean by "If she leaves then she isn't there to marry Tyrion". She hasn't left KL and refused Sandor's offer to leave.
On December 07 2012 13:52 Panthae wrote: This has probably been talked about, but this thread is immense. Anyone else thrown off about the Sansa/Sandor storyline? If she leaves then she isn't there to marry Tyrion. Totally screws with my head that they would take out such a crucial part. :S
What do you mean? They had all the major SanSan moments, what moment are you talking about? Are you talking about the show?
Yeah, well how in the show it doesnt coincide at all with what happens in the book. :S
I don't know what you mean by "If she leaves then she isn't there to marry Tyrion". She hasn't left KL and refused Sandor's offer to leave.
I dont remember her refusing in the show. :S Maybe that's my bad, I'll have to verify.
On December 07 2012 13:52 Panthae wrote: This has probably been talked about, but this thread is immense. Anyone else thrown off about the Sansa/Sandor storyline? If she leaves then she isn't there to marry Tyrion. Totally screws with my head that they would take out such a crucial part. :S
What do you mean? They had all the major SanSan moments, what moment are you talking about? Are you talking about the show?
Yeah, well how in the show it doesnt coincide at all with what happens in the book. :S
I don't know what you mean by "If she leaves then she isn't there to marry Tyrion". She hasn't left KL and refused Sandor's offer to leave.
I dont remember her refusing in the show. :S Maybe that's my bad, I'll have to verify.
You don't see her say anything in episode 9 but episode 10 she's still in kings landing.
On December 07 2012 13:52 Panthae wrote: This has probably been talked about, but this thread is immense. Anyone else thrown off about the Sansa/Sandor storyline? If she leaves then she isn't there to marry Tyrion. Totally screws with my head that they would take out such a crucial part. :S
What do you mean? They had all the major SanSan moments, what moment are you talking about? Are you talking about the show?
Actually, the biggest disappointment for season 1 for me was that it was Littlefinger who told Sansa about how Sandor got his scar, and not the hound himself. Totally ruined the scene for me.
On December 07 2012 13:52 Panthae wrote: This has probably been talked about, but this thread is immense. Anyone else thrown off about the Sansa/Sandor storyline? If she leaves then she isn't there to marry Tyrion. Totally screws with my head that they would take out such a crucial part. :S
What do you mean? They had all the major SanSan moments, what moment are you talking about? Are you talking about the show?
Actually, the biggest disappointment for season 1 for me was that it was Littlefinger who told Sansa about how Sandor got his scar, and not the hound himself. Totally ruined the scene for me.
On December 07 2012 13:52 Panthae wrote: This has probably been talked about, but this thread is immense. Anyone else thrown off about the Sansa/Sandor storyline? If she leaves then she isn't there to marry Tyrion. Totally screws with my head that they would take out such a crucial part. :S
What do you mean? They had all the major SanSan moments, what moment are you talking about? Are you talking about the show?
Actually, the biggest disappointment for season 1 for me was that it was Littlefinger who told Sansa about how Sandor got his scar, and not the hound himself. Totally ruined the scene for me.
And I said otherwise?
That was a major SanSan moment the show didn't have. Or butchered needlessly, rather.
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