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Dakkas
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chillpenguin
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Emon_
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When Robb died, his last words were "Grey wind...", the name of his dire wolf. It is insinuated that Robb can shapeshift into his wolf and that's why he's never lost a battle. In the series, the scene before the fight in the Whispering Woods, they show the wolf creeping up on Lannisters, zoom in to his face and fade to Robb's face. At the red wedding, he tries to shift to the dire wolf, but they killed it as well and put the head on Robbs body When Jon Snow dies at the end of ADWD, his last words are "Ghost...", transporting into his dire wolf, which lives as opposed to Grey wind. Meaning, Jon is probably still alive and could be Azor Ahai (spelling) reborn Arya shapeshifts into the cat to dodge her teachers hit Jon is ½ Stark. Yet he can shapeshift. Arya shapeshifts into the cat, meaning it isn't a skill reserved for either the Starks or the wolves that the children find in the beginning of AGOT. Bran can take over Hodors body. Hodor is upset in the beginning but adapts to Bran being in the body The question: What other dead Stark characters could have shifted into their animals to escape death? Characters we think dead could still be alive. Could Ned have escaped his execution? Or is the ability only available after the advent of the Red Comet | ||
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Dakkas
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On December 13 2012 18:36 Emon_ wrote: A few questions about Jon / Robb and their wolves When Robb died, his last words were "Grey wind...", the name of his dire wolf. It is insinuated that Robb can shapeshift into his wolf and that's why he's never lost a battle. In the series, the scene before the fight in the Whispering Woods, they show the wolf creeping up on Lannisters, zoom in to his face and fade to Robb's face. At the red wedding, he tries to shift to the dire wolf, but they killed it as well and put the head on Robbs body When Jon Snow dies at the end of ADWD, his last words are "Ghost...", transporting into his dire wolf, which lives as opposed to Grey wind. Meaning, Jon is probably still alive and could be Azor Ahai (spelling) reborn Arya shapeshifts into the cat to dodge her teachers hit Jon is ½ Stark. Yet he can shapeshift. Arya shapeshifts into the cat, meaning it isn't a skill reserved for either the Starks or the wolves that the children find in the beginning of AGOT. Bran can take over Hodors body. Hodor is upset in the beginning but adapts to Bran being in the body The question: What other dead Stark characters could have shifted into their animals to escape death? Characters we think dead could still be alive. Could Ned have escaped his execution? Or is the ability only available after the advent of the Red Comet Jon is 1/2 a Stark? Every Stark has been 1/2 a Stark Only Targyrens have 100% Targaryens. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On December 13 2012 18:49 Dakkas wrote: Jon is 1/2 a Stark? Every Stark has been 1/2 a Stark Only Targyrens have 100% Targaryens. I've never viewed incest quite this way before -.- Weird brain bleach feeling, not sure why. | ||
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Wolfswood
United States349 Posts
With that said, I feel like ALL of the primary Starks having this attribute can't be a coincidence or genetic - they had to find the direwolves to get it, or at least "unlock" it. There are no allusions to Ned being capable of anything like this...although now that I think about it there are countless references to Lyanna's affinity for horses. Then of course Benjen and whatever the fuck his story is...it seems like he has to be Coldhands, but this is Martin we're talking about. Nothing is certain. Still, if it is him, he's obviously in tune with nature, what with the riding of elks and pwning noobs with ravens and such. Yet another mystery that (hopefully) remains to be solved. | ||
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Emon_
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Also, Jon Snow will perhaps share a body with Stannis and have Ghost as a servant. | ||
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Dakkas
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On December 08 2012 00:25 Dakkas wrote: Butchered? You're really exaggerating there. Having LF tell Sansa has the benefit of establishing a relationship between the two, it also would seem less silly for TV viewers to find out that the big scary Hound is willing to reveal his grand trauma to someone he's just met Unfortunately it caused us to miss this scene, which ironically they used for the casting tape of the Hound: | ||
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anomalopidae
Slovenia549 Posts
On December 13 2012 20:40 Emon_ wrote: Thanks for the informative reply! I was thinking about Lyanna as well - how is it that she is dead? Ned, Robert, Rhaegar all love her - so who ends up killing her? Robert says Rhaegar kills her - but that can't be true. Seeing as how Aegon is still alive (and probably his sister - why save one trueborn and let the other die when you can switch both babies?) I can't see why Lyanna isn't alive as well. Also, Jon Snow will perhaps share a body with Stannis and have Ghost as a servant. I suppose it's quite common in a world such as Martin's for women to die because of childbirth complications  And I really really doubt that in the pretty gory setting o the books pretty much anyone who dies would be alive... | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On December 13 2012 23:12 karazax wrote: Unfortunately it caused us to miss this scene, which ironically they used for the casting tape of the Hound: www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIWX2fPx-5k Man, it would've been so awesome seeing this in the show, instead of Littlefinger casually telling Sansa just to frighten her.. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On December 14 2012 00:15 Conti wrote: Man, it would've been so awesome seeing this in the show, instead of Littlefinger casually telling Sansa just to frighten her.. Yeah it had the potential to be one of the most powerful scenes in season 1, I still get chills watching the audition tape as it nails the books presentation perfectly. | ||
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Topin
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karazax
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In 2003 George RR Martin said: Back at the Philadelphia Worldcon (which seems a million years ago), I announced the famous five-year gap: I was going to skip five years forward in the story, to allow some of the younger characters to grow older and the dragons to grow larger, and for various other reasons. I started out writing on that basis in 2001, and it worked very well for some of my myriad characters but not at all for others, because you can't just have nothing happen for five years. If things do happen you have to write flashbacks, a lot of internal retrospection, and that's not a good way to present it. I struggled with that essentially wrong direction for about a year before finally throwing it out, realizing there had to be another interim book. That became A Feast for Crows, where the action is pretty much continuous from the preceding book. Even so, that only accounts for one year. Why the four after that? I don't know, except that this was a very tough book to write -- and it remains so, because I've only finished half. Going in, I thought I could do something about the length of the second book in the series, A Clash of Kings, roughly 1,200 pages in manuscript. But I passed that and there was a lot more to write. Then I passed the length of the third book, A Storm of Swords, which was something like 1,500 pages in manuscript and gave my publishers all around the world lots of production problems. I didn't really want to make any cuts because I had this huge story to tell. We started thinking about dividing it in two and doing it as A Feast for Crows, Parts One and Two, but the more I thought about that the more I really did not like it. Part One would have had no resolution whatsoever for 18 viewpoint characters and their 18 stories. Of course this is all part of a huge megaseries so there is not a complete resolution yet in any of the volumes, but I try to give a certain sense of completion at the end of each volume -- that a movement of the symphony has wrapped up, so to speak. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
On December 13 2012 23:12 karazax wrote: Unfortunately it caused us to miss this scene, which ironically they used for the casting tape of the Hound: www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIWX2fPx-5k I got such a fright around 1 minute in when he started screaming. Thanks for the heart attack bro. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On December 14 2012 03:34 xsksc wrote: I got such a fright around 1 minute in when he started screaming. Thanks for the heart attack bro. Hell I have watched it several times since it was first released and I still jump at that part. Hard to believe that the tv viewer would think that scene was silly or think that it didn't make sense for the Hound to share the story the way he did there. Incredibly acted scene the show missed out on. | ||
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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
€: I'm looking to find a long monologue given in the books, I think in one of the Brienne or Jaime chapters, in which a minor character gives a longer speach about how sellswords / mercenaries and the perils they go through, basically starting off as peasants in search for glory and coin. Could anyone point me into the right direction to find that monologue again? | ||
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karazax
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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
"Broken men are more deserving of our pity, though they may be just as dangerous. Almost all are common-born, simple folk who had never been more than a mile from the house where they were born until the day some lord came round to take them off to war. Poorly shod and poorly clad, they march away beneath his banners, ofttimes with no better arms than a sickle or a sharpened hoe, or a maul they made themselves by lashing a stone to a stick with strips of hide. Brothers march with brothers, sons with fathers, friends with friends. They've heard the songs and stories, so they go off with eager hearts, dreaming of the wonders they will see, of the wealth and glory they will win. War seems a fine adventure, the greatest most of them will ever know. "Then the get a taste of battle. "For some, that one taste is enough to break them. Others go on for years, until they lose count of all the battles they have fought in, but even a man who has survived a hundred fights can break in his hundred-and-first. Brothers watch their brothers die, fathers lose their sons, friends see their friends trying to hold their entrails in after they've been gutted by an axe. "They see the lord who led them there cut down, and some other lord shouts that they are his now. They take a wound, and when that's still half-healed they take another. There is never enough to eat, their shoes fall to pieces from the marching, their clothes are torn and rotting, and half of them are shitting in their breeches from drinking bad water. "If they want new boots or a warmer cloak or maybe a rusted iron halfhelm, they need to take them from a corpse, and before long they are stealing from the living too, from the smallfolk whose lands they're fighting in, men very like the men they used to be. They slaughter their sheep and steal their chickens, and from there it's just a short step to carrying off their daughters too. And one day they look around and realize all their friends and kin are gone, that they are fighting beside strangers beneath a banner thatt they hardly recognize. They don't know where they are or how to get back home and the lord they're fighting for does not know their names, yet here he comes, shouting for them to form up, to make a line with their spears and scythes and sharpened hoes, to stand their ground. And the knights come down on them, faceless men clad all in steel, and the iron thunder of their charge seems to fill the world... "And the man breaks. "He turns and runs, or crawls off afterward over the corpses of the slain or steals away in the black of night, and he finds someplace to hide. All thought of home is gone by then, and kings and lords and gods mean less to him than a haunch of spoiled meat that will let him live another day, or a skin of bad wine that might drown his fear for a few hours. The broken man lives from day to day, from meal to meal, more beast than man. Lady Brienne is not wrong. In times like these, the traveler must beware of broken men, and fear them...but he should pity them as well." Septon Maribald | ||
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toemn
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