[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion - Page 189

On October 29 2012 19:11 Irrelevant Label wrote:
There is a pretty near zero chance of his actually being gone. From a literary standpoint his arc is hardly at a stopping point and the whole prologue to Dance was about establishing how wargs and death work...or don't entirely. Also he is the topic of one of the major "known unknown" plot points.

On October 29 2012 19:52 khaydarin9 wrote:


... Because Robb and, you know, Ned's arcs had so much closure.

On October 29 2012 20:00 Geo.Rion wrote:

yepp they had.
Ned's death was important to several character's development curves, and also made the war between Lannister and Stak inevitable and with no possibility of compromise.
Robb's death was spilled out by prophecies and other stuff, and also moved the story forward, leaving many characters to tell the story that sprung from there.

If Jon is gone for good, how exactly is the Wall storyline gonna continue? Mellissandre writing her journal by the fire detailing how many died or got imprisoned and what s the status on the WhiteWalkers? Or Sam teleports back from the other end of the world and gets elected as Commander? Jon has the strongest Plot-armor aside from Danny. Maybe Jaime could come close.

On October 29 2012 20:14 khaydarin9 wrote:


You say all of that in hindsight, because of course, stuff has been written after their deaths. Jon's death could be important to several character's developments curves, too. It's difficult to talk about narrative arcs when you can only see a sliver of it.

On October 28 2012 22:37 Ender985 wrote:


Well, Jon Stark reborn might.. There are several prophecies somehow binding the two together, and if he gets his hands on the letter Rob sent him before the RW, then it might happen. Assuming he comes back non-zombie enough for Danny to have the hots for him xD

I always thought they would make one of the most boring couples ever possible though.

On October 29 2012 18:54 Thorakh wrote:
It's been a while since I read the last book but people here are talking about Jon as if he were alive, the last passage I can remember with him was him being killed by his fellow men of the Night's Watch?

On October 29 2012 19:52 khaydarin9 wrote:


... Because Robb and, you know, Ned's arcs had so much closure.

On October 30 2012 06:25 Dosey wrote:

Uhh... wat?

Rob didn't even have an arc. The dude didn't even have a single POV chapter. You knew he had to die, it was just a matter of the "how" to see what part it played in the actual story.

On October 30 2012 06:56 Sanctimonius wrote:
People seem to be assuming that Jon will jump into Ghost, and it has been something he's done before, albeit a tad unknowingly. But what if he jumps into something else? Bran has jumped into Hodor, showing it's possible to jump into someone with little brain power, at least. What if Jon jumped into, say, that nifty little giant?

That would mess up the Wall pretty quickly...

On October 30 2012 06:56 Sanctimonius wrote:
People seem to be assuming that Jon will jump into Ghost, and it has been something he's done before, albeit a tad unknowingly. But what if he jumps into something else? Bran has jumped into Hodor, showing it's possible to jump into someone with little brain power, at least. What if Jon jumped into, say, that nifty little giant?

That would mess up the Wall pretty quickly...

On October 30 2012 19:23 Geo.Rion wrote:

Unlikely because even though the Stark children are all wargs, i dont think anyone other than Bran has the ability to warg into people, since he's the strongest one in that respect. + Ghost is too obvious of a pick for several reasons.
Most likely, he wargs into Ghost, the Night's Watch put his body in the Ice-cells, Mellisandre plots around a bit, gets her hand on the body, revives it, Jon wargs back from Ghost / Mellisandre pulls him back/ something mindfuck.

What i'm wondering is, will Jon claim Winterfell at any point, the logical answer would be no, but the Night's Watch oath conveniently states that they are bound to the Wall till they die. Now if the die and come back...

Also, shame about Kevan indeed, but as Tywinn before him and Robert before him, the central power figure has to die, because else there's no conflict, or at least a much simpler one.

On October 30 2012 05:09 Flik wrote:
Sometimes I find it hard to believe some people read the same books as me. Jon got stabbed 3 times and cut on the face. One time in the stomach, one between the shoulder blades and we don't know where he got stabbed the 4th time becaus he never felt it. "Only the cold...". Now if you go back and read what happens when Varamyr dies its pretty damn obvious that at least to start he's going to be going into Ghost.

On Bran, I don't think he'll be going back to the outside world. Bloodraven has pretty much told him that's he's commited for life. What I've been wondering lately with Bran though, has he learned who Jon's parents are? I think Bram and Jon will be talking to one another in Winds, can't wait for that convo.