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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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scudst0rm
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1149 Posts
October 24 2012 04:42 GMT
#3721
I think you hit the nail on the head with:
GRRM invented a fantasy hair
You're like a one ranger army comin' at me...
DownOnMyNiece
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Germany155 Posts
October 24 2012 04:57 GMT
#3722
On October 24 2012 11:27 Irrelevant Label wrote:
Isn't silvery-white not a 'real' hair color but rather just the result of lack of melanin/pigment, the cause of which can vary? It seems likely that either GRRM invented a fantasy hair color which may well be more dominant than it's blonde counterpart or something that hinders their pigmentation but isn't full blown albinism is yet another Targaryen (or rather Valyrian) disorder or he didn't plan it all out genetically he just wanted to use hair and eye colors as a common family identifier and to give the Targaryens the one that was unusual and stood out.


If their white hair is just a by-product of their perpetual incest, that suddenly sounds a lot less regal.
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
October 24 2012 04:59 GMT
#3723
On October 24 2012 13:57 DownOnMyNiece wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 11:27 Irrelevant Label wrote:
Isn't silvery-white not a 'real' hair color but rather just the result of lack of melanin/pigment, the cause of which can vary? It seems likely that either GRRM invented a fantasy hair color which may well be more dominant than it's blonde counterpart or something that hinders their pigmentation but isn't full blown albinism is yet another Targaryen (or rather Valyrian) disorder or he didn't plan it all out genetically he just wanted to use hair and eye colors as a common family identifier and to give the Targaryens the one that was unusual and stood out.


If their white hair is just a by-product of their perpetual incest, that suddenly sounds a lot less regal.


But no less hot
Wolfswood
Profile Joined October 2012
United States349 Posts
October 24 2012 05:14 GMT
#3724
On October 24 2012 13:59 Dakkas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 13:57 DownOnMyNiece wrote:
On October 24 2012 11:27 Irrelevant Label wrote:
Isn't silvery-white not a 'real' hair color but rather just the result of lack of melanin/pigment, the cause of which can vary? It seems likely that either GRRM invented a fantasy hair color which may well be more dominant than it's blonde counterpart or something that hinders their pigmentation but isn't full blown albinism is yet another Targaryen (or rather Valyrian) disorder or he didn't plan it all out genetically he just wanted to use hair and eye colors as a common family identifier and to give the Targaryens the one that was unusual and stood out.


If their white hair is just a by-product of their perpetual incest, that suddenly sounds a lot less regal.


But no less hot
enhances it really

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
omnipotence...got to get me some of that
HyDrA_solic
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Portugal491 Posts
October 27 2012 01:57 GMT
#3725


Don't know if posted already, but awesome version of one of the most charismatic songs in GoT
It's all about the reflections of freedom. Even though he hoped for a better world, with all his strenght, all his will, the most he could do was to make her smile.
TehPrime
Profile Joined February 2012
United States180 Posts
October 27 2012 02:31 GMT
#3726
Will House Stark ally themselves with Daenerys?
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
October 27 2012 16:34 GMT
#3727
On October 27 2012 11:31 TehPrime wrote:
Will House Stark ally themselves with Daenerys?


No.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
aloT
Profile Joined April 2010
England1042 Posts
October 27 2012 19:12 GMT
#3728
so the question then is why noone questioned that joffrey was blonde and the spitting image of jaime? i mean he is even more look alike because both his parents are his direct genes and not just one of them
feanor1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1899 Posts
October 27 2012 19:14 GMT
#3729
On October 28 2012 04:12 aloT wrote:
so the question then is why noone questioned that joffrey was blonde and the spitting image of jaime? i mean he is even more look alike because both his parents are his direct genes and not just one of them

Because a kid often has a strong resemblance to one parent. And Jamie and Cersie are fricken twins....... So if he looks like Jamie he also looks like Cersie.
aloT
Profile Joined April 2010
England1042 Posts
October 27 2012 19:30 GMT
#3730
more specifically the blonde hair though. in the tv series ned seemed utterly shocked when the book told him what was in front of him
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
October 27 2012 19:32 GMT
#3731
its caturday
Zealotdriver
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1557 Posts
October 27 2012 22:09 GMT
#3732
On October 28 2012 04:12 aloT wrote:
so the question then is why noone questioned that joffrey was blonde and the spitting image of jaime? i mean he is even more look alike because both his parents are his direct genes and not just one of them

In the books, rumors about the incest between Cersei and Jamie are pretty rampant IIRC, but no one had proof and/or the guts to say it "publicly." The Lannisters are rich and have a big army, and they always pay their debts, both financial and metaphorical.

Also, the cat video above is awesome.
Turn off the radio
DownOnMyNiece
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Germany155 Posts
October 27 2012 22:16 GMT
#3733
On October 27 2012 11:31 TehPrime wrote:
Will House Stark ally themselves with Daenerys?


For all intents and purposes, House Stark is no more.

Robb is dead, Rickon, Bran and Arya are dead (in the eyes of the realm), Sansa is gone and accused of kingslaying. Jon denied being elevated to Stark status and King of Winterfell.

Everyone showing allegiance to them is slewn by Boltons, Lannisters or Freys, except Manderly, who is in a precarious situation to say the least.

So I'm not quite sure what your question is, really.
Astro-Penguin
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
554 Posts
October 27 2012 22:24 GMT
#3734
On October 28 2012 07:16 DownOnMyNiece wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2012 11:31 TehPrime wrote:
Will House Stark ally themselves with Daenerys?


For all intents and purposes, House Stark is no more.

Robb is dead, Rickon, Bran and Arya are dead (in the eyes of the realm), Sansa is gone and accused of kingslaying. Jon denied being elevated to Stark status and King of Winterfell.

Everyone showing allegiance to them is slewn by Boltons, Lannisters or Freys, except Manderly, who is in a precarious situation to say the least.

So I'm not quite sure what your question is, really.


To be fair G.R.R.M. originally intended for Dreams of Spring to be called a Time For Wolves, possibly foreshadowing
Wolfswood
Profile Joined October 2012
United States349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-27 22:41:17
October 27 2012 22:35 GMT
#3735
On October 28 2012 07:16 DownOnMyNiece wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2012 11:31 TehPrime wrote:
Will House Stark ally themselves with Daenerys?


For all intents and purposes, House Stark is no more.

Robb is dead, Rickon, Bran and Arya are dead (in the eyes of the realm), Sansa is gone and accused of kingslaying. Jon denied being elevated to Stark status and King of Winterfell.

Everyone showing allegiance to them is slewn by Boltons, Lannisters or Freys, except Manderly, who is in a precarious situation to say the least.

So I'm not quite sure what your question is, really.
House Stark is very much still a player.

As far as most people know "Arya" is alive and married to Ramsay, although with Jeyne's escape that's probably over with. Littlefinger is preparing to wed the north to the Vale by marrying Sansa to Harry, and Lord Manderly is sending Davos to find Rickon and bring him to White Harbor so they can claim Winterfell in his name. Who knows what the fuck is going to happen with the real Arya but she's still a factor as well, and for all we know Bran is a demigod or something.

Honestly I like their chances of retaining at least one immediate family member better than the Lannisters at this point. The only lions I can see surviving the whole series are Myrcella or Tommen, who of course can't legally inherit anything.
omnipotence...got to get me some of that
Sawajiri
Profile Joined June 2007
Austria417 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-27 22:40:14
October 27 2012 22:38 GMT
#3736
I'm pretty sure that House Stark will in some way be reunited/re-established. GRRM has said that he has always intended the series to be like LotR, specifically in that in that he wanted his main characters to start out in the same place (Starks in Winterfell, I suppose -- possibly Starks + Lannisters), then split them up and have them meet again by the end of the series. Granted, he's killed a lot of these Starks already, but I really don't think we won't be seeing some sort of Stark reunion (my guesses are at least Jon, Sansa, and Arya, and Rickon). He's also said that the ending will be 'bittersweet' and not 'mind-crushing depression and bleakness' which annihilating House Stark would definitely be to many readers.

I have high hopes for Rickon, personally. Fierce little boy! And possibly the only one left who can provide legitimate Stark heirs through the male line, presuming that Bran is no longer able due to his disability (though he may be). He is also the only Stark child whose purpose in the story is not yet clear to me. GRRM must have created him for a purpose other than to make him whine a lot, I think?

[image loading]

Rickon. :D
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
October 27 2012 22:43 GMT
#3737
Never liked Rickon, and he wasn't developed for the first 5 books, too young to do anything. Introducing him as some badass future leader all of a sudden will be unrewarding. He's not a character that we would give 2 shits about if his name wasn't Stark. He doesn't deserve the title of Lord of Winterfell.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Irrelevant Label
Profile Joined January 2012
United States596 Posts
October 27 2012 22:54 GMT
#3738
Ouch, better odds being given to the children who will die before Cersei than to anyone else in house Lannister? So...negative chance of survival? Bad times for the lions it seems.
Sawajiri
Profile Joined June 2007
Austria417 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-27 22:59:49
October 27 2012 22:57 GMT
#3739
On October 28 2012 07:43 moopie wrote:
Never liked Rickon, and he wasn't developed for the first 5 books, too young to do anything. Introducing him as some badass future leader all of a sudden will be unrewarding. He's not a character that we would give 2 shits about if his name wasn't Stark. He doesn't deserve the title of Lord of Winterfell.


Yeah, I very much doubt we'll be seeing Rickon as any sort of badass leader in the books themselves; if GRRM couldn't handle a 5-year time skip, he's not gonna be able to handle the sort of time skip it would take for Rickon to be old enough to be a badass leader.

But what I mean is, I have hopes that it will end on a hopeful note, with Rickon showing some promise and the curtain falling with the knowledge that there is a Stark boy left able to re-establish the house. The gif I posted is just for fun; no way we're seeing him as Young Wolf Reborn in the actual series.

And yeah, the fact that he wasn't developed at all and always just seemed sort of... there makes me think that it may be headed that way or that, at least, GRRM has something in store with him. He can't possibly have been an incidental creation; if the Starks were to be one of the central characters in the series, then he couldn't have just decided to give them a third son for no reason at all. So far he hasn't had any explicit purpose in the books; I'm hopeful he'll have one.
Wolfswood
Profile Joined October 2012
United States349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-27 23:07:56
October 27 2012 23:01 GMT
#3740
Rickon has purpose. As a son of Ned Stark he is a piece for the players to control. The only way he's going to make a real impact on the story with his own actions is if five to ten years pass before the end of the series, which would be pretty cheesy and I think Martin wants to avoid. But if nothing else, he gives Martin an excuse to go to Skagos, which sounds fucking sweet from what little we've learned about it.

And it has been stated many times through out the series that "prophecies" are not set in stone and can be easily misinterpreted besides.
omnipotence...got to get me some of that
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