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On October 28 2012 08:01 Wolfswood wrote:
Rickon has purpose. As a son of Ned Stark he is a piece for the players to control. The only way he's going to make a real impact on the story with his own actions is if five to ten years pass before the end of the series, which would be pretty cheesy and I think Martin wants to avoid. But if nothing else, he gives Martin an excuse to go to Skagos, which sounds fucking sweet from what little we've learned about it.
And it has been stated many times through out the series that "prophecies" are not set in stone and can be easily misinterpreted besides.
Yeah, as I said, I don't believe we'll see him as any sort of leader or lord because he's just too young. Gif was just for shits and giggles. I just have hopes he'll survive the series and get a chance to grow up and have kids so House Stark will be continued through the male line, since it looks like he's the only one left who's still able (apart from Bran? I really don't know if he would be, but his story line seems to be headed toward becoming a tree anyway, lol).
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On October 28 2012 07:16 DownOnMyNiece wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 11:31 TehPrime wrote:
Will House Stark ally themselves with Daenerys? For all intents and purposes, House Stark is no more. Robb is dead, Rickon, Bran and Arya are dead (in the eyes of the realm), Sansa is gone and accused of kingslaying. Jon denied being elevated to Stark status and King of Winterfell. Everyone showing allegiance to them is slewn by Boltons, Lannisters or Freys, except Manderly, who is in a precarious situation to say the least. So I'm not quite sure what your question is, really.
The other northmen would all flock to a Stark's banners if they were knew Bran/Rickon were still alive. Even if it wasn't for the fact that a few of them lost family members at the Red Wedding or have them as hostages, the north families love the Starks far more than they love the Boltons. That and if they knew Arya was really Jeyne as well, those two nuggets of info would overthrow Roose in a heartbeat
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I'm rather convinced that neither Roose nor Ramsay are going to see the end of the series, one way or another. There's just no way in my mind that GRR would end the series with either of them on the winning side, and as we all know, you win or you die.
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On October 28 2012 01:34 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 11:31 TehPrime wrote:
Will House Stark ally themselves with Daenerys? No.
Well, Jon Stark reborn might.. There are several prophecies somehow binding the two together, and if he gets his hands on the letter Rob sent him before the RW, then it might happen. Assuming he comes back non-zombie enough for Danny to have the hots for him xD
I always thought they would make one of the most boring couples ever possible though.
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A lot of fandom seems to be pretty convinced that Jon and Dany will marry or at last hook up, but I'm not convinced personally. I do think it's very likely that they'll meet up eventually but I rather get the feeling that Dany is being set up as the end game boss so to speak rather than Jon's eventual love interest and queen.
I'd actually prefer it that way, though. I think it would be extremely ballsy and different if Dany did end up being the sort-of villain in the end scenario because this would be the first time I've seen an eventual villain being set up with so much care and sympathy for so many books.
I guess I won't be hugely disappointed if it does end up as Jon/Dany but I just think it would be a lot less cliche if it didn't.
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There is the whole HotU prophecy of the "blue rose growing in the ice" as one of Dany's suitors, but yeah I agree they would be a pretty shitty couple. I miss Ygritte 
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On October 29 2012 02:06 Kyuukyuu wrote:There is the whole HotU prophecy of the "blue rose growing in the ice" as one of Dany's suitors, but yeah I agree they would be a pretty shitty couple. I miss Ygritte
You know nothing Jon Snow.
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On October 29 2012 02:06 Kyuukyuu wrote:There is the whole HotU prophecy of the "blue rose growing in the ice" as one of Dany's suitors, but yeah I agree they would be a pretty shitty couple. I miss Ygritte
I like Dany but she's just not trolly enough for me to ship her with Jon. I have this thing where any character who comes into contact with Jon and trolls the shit out of him immediately gains 1,000 approval points from me. Seriously, dude's asking to be trolled.
"Did Ned Stark father you on some fishwife?"
Trolled Jon is best Jon. Tyrion better resume the resident troll duty there.
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i don't think you said troll enough.
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I wouldnt mind if Jon died when all is said and done. The guy would go down, in readers opinion (well mine), as the true hero and savior of Westeros. I really dont want some mushy ending for this series.
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On October 28 2012 07:35 Wolfswood wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 07:16 DownOnMyNiece wrote:On October 27 2012 11:31 TehPrime wrote:
Will House Stark ally themselves with Daenerys? For all intents and purposes, House Stark is no more. Robb is dead, Rickon, Bran and Arya are dead (in the eyes of the realm), Sansa is gone and accused of kingslaying. Jon denied being elevated to Stark status and King of Winterfell. Everyone showing allegiance to them is slewn by Boltons, Lannisters or Freys, except Manderly, who is in a precarious situation to say the least. So I'm not quite sure what your question is, really. House Stark is very much still a player. As far as most people know "Arya" is alive and married to Ramsay, although with Jeyne's escape that's probably over with. Littlefinger is preparing to wed the north to the Vale by marrying Sansa to Harry, and Lord Manderly is sending Davos to find Rickon and bring him to White Harbor so they can claim Winterfell in his name. Who knows what the fuck is going to happen with the real Arya but she's still a factor as well, and for all we know Bran is a demigod or something. Honestly I like their chances of retaining at least one immediate family member better than the Lannisters at this point. The only lions I can see surviving the whole series are Myrcella or Tommen, who of course can't legally inherit anything.
I dunno about that. Both Jamie and Cercei are in decent shape. Jamie is fine and Cercei has the reanimated mountain to fight for her.
I do think Jamie is fucked though. GRRM spent a good part of the last book to show how nice he'd become, and that's just what he did with Robb too before he killed him off.
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Jaime is fine? He just wandered off with Brienne, presumably into a trap set by the BwB where he will most likely be hanged. Maybe he talks his way out of it, or there is a duel between him and Brienne as has been vaguely hinted at, but my money says he swings.
The only thing going in his favor is it seems kind of silly to have him go through his whole redemption thing, then kill him as soon as he starts acting like a normal human being (not to mention becoming decent with a sword again). Hard to say, but I'm guessing he won't last much longer.
As for Cersei, whatever happens with her trial, she's doomed. From a literary/reader standpoint, I can't think of a character who simply needs to die more than her, except maybe Ramsay.
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Seems to me like the obvious path for Jaime's redemption arc is to be the valonqar at the end. It wouldn't really do for him to die at unCat's hands... I know people like to say GRRM circumvents traditions but that'd just be bad from a literary standpoint.
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The real question is what would it take to make him strangle her
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On October 29 2012 14:40 moopie wrote:
The real question is what would it take to make him strangle her
I don't think it would take that much, he's already been brooding about her sleeping with other men. Maybe she'll try to deny it and he'll strangle her in a rage.
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I don't think he'll kill her over her sleeping around. That just made him stop caring about her (tearing up her letter). Besides, he's had a lot of time to think about it, whereas whatever will make him strangle her I think will come as a sudden shock to make him fly into a rage.
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On October 29 2012 14:51 moopie wrote:
I don't think he'll kill her over her sleeping around. That just made him stop caring about her (tearing up her letter). Besides, he's had a lot of time to think about it, whereas whatever will make him strangle her I think will come as a sudden shock to make him fly into a rage.
Joffrey, Tommen and Myrcella are really Tywin's children!
Incesteption!
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What is the significance of Bran become heart trees? Keeping him tucked away in the north seems odd. Perhaps he'll return back?
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It is not clear yet. It's obviously a very powerful tool and might lead to some kind of intelligence gathering and/or gaining the knowledge from the children of the forest and whoever else about how to defeat the others.
I think something to do with their remaining children will lead to Jaime strangling Cersei. I don't know if I think she'd throw them under the bus to save herself from something though...but something to do with them and Jaime presumably having what most readers would view as the moral high ground? Or maybe Jaime would end up on some side of wanting to kill them...he did already cover the issue of him feeling 'nothing' towards them and the problem their existence represents to the kingdoms...
Half blind throwing a dart at a wall target prediction here: Jaime gets away from uncat on a promise involving "undoing" his crimes with Cersei, admitting to it at her trial perhaps?, and at some point probably after seeing one of her children killed she does a Cat at the red wedding impersonation and he strangles her.
Not sure how to reconcile any of that with the trial by combat and potential for a much anticipated Clegane grudge match.
The requirement of Tommen and Myrcella dying before Cersei is a rough one for trying to predict how it all unfolds. She is supposed to watch them die too, right? And worse, they each to have been crowned? Myrcella makes it really hard then, but Arianne might at least do some stunt providing the crown. Predict another plot hole regarding boat travel time, Arstan-Belwas style.
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It's been a while since I read the last book but people here are talking about Jon as if he were alive, the last passage I can remember with him was him being killed by his fellow men of the Night's Watch?
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