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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
On August 09 2012 19:54 Lorken wrote: Anyone else notice that Gordon's kid in Batman 2 (the 2008 one) is Joffrey? He looks so young and not cunty. Also, the GRRM interview basically kills the Syrio = Jaquen theory right? Wasn't a good one anyway imo. He is also in Batman Begins (2005), but he's not Gordon's kid then. He sees Batman and says his friends will never believe him, so Batman gives him a Batarang. | ||
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dmnum
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he does appear in batman begins though | ||
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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
I mean, will the same timeline be told twice, with different PoV-characters, or will it be like Game of Thrones, Clash of Kings and Storm of Swords? | ||
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
but I can't remember where I read it | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
Aside from the other indicators, it'd be rather absurd to complete the story's climax and conclusion with all the final revelations and whatnot from one set of POVs and then rehash it from a second set. | ||
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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
A Dance with Dragons ended several weeks (months even?) after a Feast for Crows. But I really hope you guys are right. God I hope Ramsay gets his come-uppins... | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
Also covering all POVs resumed already in the last third of Dance, the same part as extended past the timeline of Feast. | ||
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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
Most of the time, he seems at odds with Varys and even the eunuch doesn't seem to know what Littlefinger is playing at, but he is behind the death of Jon Arryn and Varys seems to benefit from that. So Varys tries to destabilize the realm enough to get Aegon onto the throne, while Petyr tries to... Well, what? Did he send the hired knife to kill Bran to further incite the Lannister / Stark affair, after having them believe the Lannisters killed Jon Arryn? I'll be so disappointed if he turns out to be yet another cat's paw of Varys'... | ||
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Brosy
United States254 Posts
On August 26 2012 01:39 kafkaesque wrote: I'm half-way through a Feast for Crows for the second time and I still have no clue what Littlefinger is up to. Most of the time, he seems at odds with Varys and even the eunuch doesn't seem to know what Littlefinger is playing at, but he is behind the death of Jon Arryn and Varys seems to benefit from that. So Varys tries to destabilize the realm enough to get Aegon onto the throne, while Petyr tries to... Well, what? Did he send the hired knife to kill Bran to further incite the Lannister / Stark affair, after having them believe the Lannisters killed Jon Arryn? I'll be so disappointed if he turns out to be yet another cat's paw of Varys'... Petyr did not send the assain to try and kill Bran. Jamie (or was it Tyrion) realize that it was Joffery, who after listening to King Robert say that they put down crippled animals, that they should do the same humans, wanted to please his "father" that never showed the slightest interest in him. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On August 26 2012 01:39 kafkaesque wrote: I'm half-way through a Feast for Crows for the second time and I still have no clue what Littlefinger is up to. Most of the time, he seems at odds with Varys and even the eunuch doesn't seem to know what Littlefinger is playing at, but he is behind the death of Jon Arryn and Varys seems to benefit from that. So Varys tries to destabilize the realm enough to get Aegon onto the throne, while Petyr tries to... Well, what? Did he send the hired knife to kill Bran to further incite the Lannister / Stark affair, after having them believe the Lannisters killed Jon Arryn? I'll be so disappointed if he turns out to be yet another cat's paw of Varys'... IM pretty sure LF is a player of his own. Sure Varrys wants the realm to be shattered for the Targ. return, and LF's actions further that goal as a side effect, but that s about it | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On August 26 2012 01:51 kafkaesque wrote: Yeah but do we have any idea what he's playing at? What's his overarching goal? well no, we know that he already rules the Vale and plans to gain control over the North by marrying Sansa to Harry. That's already a pretty healthy chunk of Westeros and the Riverlands and Westerlands are weakened right now, so he kinda holds a regional hegemony with the undamaged Vale at its core. We can guess he eventually plans to be the de facto ruler of Westeros, but who knows | ||
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moopie
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Varys is the one who's goals make little sense. If his plans were truly as simple as wanting a "sane" Targaryen on the throne, he could have easily poisoned Aerys (tears of Lys anyone?) and let Rhaegar take over peacefully as the rightful ruler long before the rebellion. Varys' actions contradict each other. On one hand, he worked to undermine Aerys by fueling his paranoia, but at the same time he advises Aerys to close the gates to Tywin rather than let him in. Its unclear what the thought process was unless it was about Aegon all along, which meant that he didn't want to wait for Aegon to naturally succeed Rhaegar, or needed the real Aegon to die and then plant Faegon on the throne later on. The only advantage of Aegon atm is the power that Illyrio (and thus Varys) would get from having him on the throne with them pulling some strings, but it seems way too complicated of a plan for just that. Needing both Aerys and Rhaegar dead, needing Aegon to be thought to be dead but secretly smuggled out, then going through years of forming chaos in Westeros while grooming Aegon only to have him try to retake the throne... Seems that having Rhaegar on the throne would have been much much simpler than everything that transpired, and still given Varys the power of a trusted advisor if that was his goal. If Aegon is really a Blackfire and Illyrio's son, then it could make a tiny bit of sense but still would be a real reach for this sort of plot. | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
On August 02 2012 23:09 Telcontar wrote: Jon is not dead. I know GRRM has no qualms with killing off main characters, but he has been building Jon up so much as one of the main characters of the series, that permanently writing him off at this point makes no sense at all. Most likely he'll reside in Ghost for a while (supported by the very existence of ADwD's prologue), and then either return to his old body (fixed by Melisandre), or become a 'good wight' like Coldhands. I still firmly believe he is Rhaegar and Lyanna's son, and he'll be the one to drive the winter back with his aunt, Daenerys' help. His will be the song of ice and fire. So Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark are Jon Snow's parents. That is most likely true unless its the biggest red herring in book writing history... Some people think that Jon is going to become Azor Ahai reborn (amongst salt and smoke, both of which are plentiful in castle black these days) edit - even crazier theories are that the song of ice and fire itself refers to Jon and Daenerys, Jon of course being the Ice part and Daenerys being fire. That might point to Jon coming back as a wight of some sort. Also if he is a skinchanger, he might be able to jump into the giant's skin, as well as Ghost's. | ||
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Overpowered
Czech Republic764 Posts
On August 26 2012 03:35 TheFish7 wrote: So Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark are Jon Snow's parents. That is most likely true unless its the biggest red herring in book writing history... Some people think that Jon is going to become Azor Ahai reborn (amongst salt and smoke, both of which are plentiful in castle black these days) When Jon dies, smoke is coming from his wounds, and the guy who kills him starts to cry (tears are salty). Either GRRM is trolling us, or Jon is AA. Both options are equally probable though. :D | ||
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
On August 26 2012 03:38 Overpowered wrote: When Jon dies, smoke is coming from his wounds, and the guy who kills him starts to cry (tears are salty). Either GRRM is trolling us, or Jon is AA. Both options are equally probable though. :D Plus, assuming he is reborn, it will be under a "red star" because the knight destroyed by Wun-Wun had a star for his sigil. | ||
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Flik
Canada256 Posts
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On August 26 2012 03:27 moopie wrote: Its Varys' that doesn't always make sense, not LF. LF just wants power, and he gets it by capitalizing during times of chaos. Pretty simple as far as understanding his intentions. He is currently lord paramount of the Riverlands, lord protector of the Vale, and has plans to use Sansa to gain the North as well. Varys is the one who's goals make little sense. If his plans were truly as simple as wanting a "sane" Targaryen on the throne, he could have easily poisoned Aerys (tears of Lys anyone?) and let Rhaegar take over peacefully as the rightful ruler long before the rebellion. Varys' actions contradict each other. On one hand, he worked to undermine Aerys by fueling his paranoia, but at the same time he advises Aerys to close the gates to Tywin rather than let him in. Its unclear what the thought process was unless it was about Aegon all along, which meant that he didn't want to wait for Aegon to naturally succeed Rhaegar, or needed the real Aegon to die and then plant Faegon on the throne later on. The only advantage of Aegon atm is the power that Illyrio (and thus Varys) would get from having him on the throne with them pulling some strings, but it seems way too complicated of a plan for just that. Needing both Aerys and Rhaegar dead, needing Aegon to be thought to be dead but secretly smuggled out, then going through years of forming chaos in Westeros while grooming Aegon only to have him try to retake the throne... Seems that having Rhaegar on the throne would have been much much simpler than everything that transpired, and still given Varys the power of a trusted advisor if that was his goal. If Aegon is really a Blackfire and Illyrio's son, then it could make a tiny bit of sense but still would be a real reach for this sort of plot. I generally believe that Varys was speaking the truth when he was talking to Ned. He tries to do what he thinks is best for the realm. He's a man, so he is bound to make errors of judgement, but in general I think that is what motivates him. He is after all of lowbirth, so it wouldn't be too strange that if would have an affinity for the plight of the common man. If that is what motivates him, he might be one of the more moral characters in the story. Even the most heroic of figures (Ned, Robb) generally ignore the plight of the commoners. I personally believe Littlefinger is out to become lord of Winterfell. I think he is so slighted and hurt by what Brandon stark did to him that he wants to take what was his. Cat (or the closest thing to it) and Winterfell. Just to prove to himself that brain can beat brawn in a world like Westeros. I think LF is mostly just a power-hungry freak, with Cat being his one weakness, perhaps more obsession with what he couldn't have rather than genuine love. He certainly has a chip on his shoulder when it comes to people of noble birth, but I think at this point is he mostly motivated by his love of Cat (transported onto Sansa) and (more importantly) his desire to surpass everyone in the game of thrones. | ||
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Flik
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