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Case123
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Jesus if you don't want Negan being killed by Carl don't show him having the opportunity to shoot Negan and not taking the shot. What's the point of that? Just to piss people off about how Carl had the chance to shoot Negan and not shoot him? | ||
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Case123
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Negan tries too hard to be someone people should "fear" and as a result comes across as just an ass that anyone could shoot at any time, but for the purposes of his character, you have to suspend your disbelief and take at face value that he is meant to be scary even though any run of the mill person has a million opportunities to kill him if they wanted to. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
Previously I said this: Episode 1 set the stage, Negan is a dick and Rick is broken, that was fine Episode 2 was cute memes and sidequests, could come in handy Episode 3 set the stage again, Negan is a dick and Daryll is broken, could've been accomplished in 10 minutes Episode 4 set the stage again, Negan is a dick and Rick is still broken, could've been accomplished in 10 minutes Let me add: Episode 5 set the stage again, Negan's people are dicks, Rick is still broken but other people are too Episode 6 was overtly a filler episode and was a waste of everybody's time Episode 7 set the stage for the FIFTH time. LO AND BEHOLD, NEGAN IS A DICK BUT KINDLY EXTENDS PLOT ARMOR FOR NO GOOD REASON TO CERTAIN CHARACTERS. If you're watching this and your brain is not puzzled as fuck, there's legitimately something wrong with you. The writers are stretching the material to absolutely obscene degrees. How can we make 8 episodes with absolutely NO CONTENT they legitimately asked during a meeting - and this is what came out. There is no substance, there's nothing creative in these last 7 episodes, it's so fucking thin. And something, surely, will happen in episode 8. Nothing of substance, I expect. They'll just kick the stagnant story a notch and produce a cliffhanger for the 2nd half of the season. They're treating us like fucking idiots. This narrative is the cheapest and laziest thing I've ever bothered to watch. At this point I continue to watch this because of some morbid curiosity, not for the content itself but because of the psychology of the thing. It's fascinating to me that people could create such a mess. Who's not doing their job, are the writers in the middle of a burn out and they just wrote this stuff quickly to get rid of it and to get back to sleep? Are producers just fucking the show over? What the hell is going on? And I've said before I don't mind Negan being an over-the-top sadist motherfucker, I even like it, and I like the actor too. But enough is enough. | ||
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way2mash4u
Germany183 Posts
On December 07 2016 14:53 Djzapz wrote: At this point I continue to watch this because of some morbid curiosity, not for the content itself but because of the psychology of the thing. It's fascinating to me that people could create such a mess. To be honest, I feel like this since Season 3 or something. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18387 Posts
On December 07 2016 19:19 way2mash4u wrote: To be honest, I feel like this since Season 3 or something. Well, looking back, everything except season 1 has been a mix of utter shit filler episodes interspersed with really great episodes. Some seasons had more than others, but not a single season since season 1 has actually been consistently good. But season 7 is so far shaping up to be just as bad as season 2. So far we are 6 episodes with nothing of consequence happening. Episode 3 was enjoyable on its own, but honestly, the character exposure there made no sense at all: they have not presented a single compelling reason why Dwight has not taken one of the multiple opportunities presented to put a bullet in Negan's head. Negan himself is completely unbelievable as the god-king of his little empire. And this last episode... why the fuck didn't Carl just fucking fire away when Negan appeared? He could have spray and prayed. If his aim is as good as it is with the walkers, he'd headshot Negan, and if he wanted to, every single one of the goons as well. Then Negan goes and uses one of his goons as a human shield and has a boring monologue. Shoot a couple of those high caliber rounds straight through the goon, and Negan is dead (or aim for the head and headshot like you do the walkers). | ||
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Case123
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On December 07 2016 19:55 Acrofales wrote: And this last episode... why the fuck didn't Carl just fucking fire away when Negan appeared? He could have spray and prayed. Because like every other character hanging around with Negan, for some reason, the show is trying to give him an aura of "nobody dares attacking him for no reason whatsoever." Seriously, even Daryl can take him on by biting his neck off like Rick did to some other dude in order to kill him if he wanted to. Carl actually could have killed him back when Rick heard that gunshot in the previous episode, I mean, seriously, how hard instead of "put it down Carl" could it have been to simply say "get him Carl" I mean seriously the whole Daryl as a hostage it's clear there's no-one to replace Negan should he die, if he dies, are his followers really that religiously cultish to carry out his orders to kill Daryl if anything happens to him? I mean, if so, why don't they make the Saviors more cult-like instead of a bunch of pussies who are afraid of making Negan angry? The show doesn't work. It's completely relying on Negan's reputation from the comics but is unable to develop it themselves on the screen. Seriously, if no-one read the comics and didn't know who the fuck Negan is he'd be a pretty damn ridiculous character with people pulling their hair out every time someone has a chance to kill him but doesn't. | ||
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Salteador Neo
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On December 08 2016 01:18 Case123 wrote: Because like every other character hanging around with Negan, for some reason, the show is trying to give him an aura of "nobody dares attacking him for no reason whatsoever." Seriously, even Daryl can take him on by biting his neck off like Rick did to some other dude in order to kill him if he wanted to. Carl actually could have killed him back when Rick heard that gunshot in the previous episode, I mean, seriously, how hard instead of "put it down Carl" could it have been to simply say "get him Carl" I mean seriously the whole Daryl as a hostage it's clear there's no-one to replace Negan should he die, if he dies, are his followers really that religiously cultish to carry out his orders to kill Daryl if anything happens to him? I mean, if so, why don't they make the Saviors more cult-like instead of a bunch of pussies who are afraid of making Negan angry? The show doesn't work. It's completely relying on Negan's reputation from the comics but is unable to develop it themselves on the screen. Seriously, if no-one read the comics and didn't know who the fuck Negan is he'd be a pretty damn ridiculous character with people pulling their hair out every time someone has a chance to kill him but doesn't. This is exactly me lol. When Carl was pointing at him I said "shoot at his face Carl". And then I was sad when he didn't of course. So what if the saviors have Daryl as hostage? Killing Negan is the greater good. Rick has done much more radical stuff during the series, including not giving up a prison to a dude who had 2 hostages and a fucking tank at his door. | ||
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FFGenerations
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i really don't know how you guys can complain. i dumped this show in season 1 for being completely dogshit, dabbled 1 or 2 eps here and there just to get my kicks out of listening to you guys hate yourselves over the years, then picked it up again around season 5 which turned out to be really great. i just watched FEAR the walking dead s1 and 2 and enjoyed it even tho i skipped thru like 15 mins per episode. i think this season of walking dead is just fine given the past standard of what i saw from s1+ . you are just idiots if you expect not to have to fast forward half of it. absolute idiots. i can't believe you have been watching this show for 6 years and are expecting anything different. why don't you go watch some anime or something. there are like 30 completely new anime that come out every season, i end up watching only 2 or 3 of them, if that. and consequently i don't whine for 6 years about what i'm watching not being very good. jesus, come on | ||
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Koivusto
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On December 07 2016 19:55 Acrofales wrote: Well, looking back, everything except season 1 has been a mix of utter shit filler episodes interspersed with really great episodes. This, exactly this. I myself keep aspiring for those great episodes that one can find every now and then. In this season so far, imo there's been only one of them which was the pilot. But it was a great one. FF, please dude, let us do our thing and complain in peace  | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On December 08 2016 01:30 FFGenerations wrote: why don't you go watch some anime or something. there are like 30 completely new anime that come out every season, i end up watching only 2 or 3 of them, if that. and consequently i don't whine for 6 years about what i'm watching not being very good. jesus, come on Well for me there's the curiosity I talked about but there's also the fact that I like the setting and the occasional hint at something brilliant. I think it's reasonable to be disappointed though, the show has had some strong parts and now IMO it's the absolute worst it has ever been. I'm no expert when it comes to writing stories but the content of this season has been, to my senses, spectacularly bad. Like we've reached a new level of the showrunners clearly watering down what little material they have. I didn't expect brilliance, shit I've had my expectations extremely low and they haven't been met. I don't even think of my previous post as a complaint, it's just my gut reaction to how insanely cheap it feels. Like, these people are artists, aren't they? The actor who plays Negan, didn't he ask questions when he found himself showing up to work a bunch of different days, doing his routine. "Holy shit, how much screen time do I have?" In the words of Bubbles, something's fucky. Fuckier than ever before. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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As for Carl it's a bit tougher to explain why he didn't kill Negan right away other than he choked at the last minute (wouldn't be the first time) or maybe he realized he wasn't just killing himself and Negan but everyone, most immediately, Daryl. As for why Negan hasn't killed Carl, seems like they are making Negan want an heir, and he thinks Carl has the potential to be a quality prince. Plus he would get quite the jollies from having Carl be a willing Neganite and leverage that against Rick. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On December 08 2016 06:41 GreenHorizons wrote: Carl is a different story, but why people like Dwight don't kill Negan isn't much different than why they didn't just always kill their local kings/barons back in feudal times. As for Carl it's a bit tougher to explain why he didn't kill Negan right away other than he choked at the last minute (wouldn't be the first time) or maybe he realized he wasn't just killing himself and Negan but everyone, most immediately, Daryl. As for why Negan hasn't killed Carl, seems like they are making Negan want an heir, and he thinks Carl has the potential to be a quality prince. Plus he would get quite the jollies from having Carl be a willing Neganite and leverage that against Rick. But they often killed kings and barons back in feudal times. Perhaps Negan should read some Machiavelli, because you don't stay in power very long by being a straight up sadist unless you have very loyal and powerful people around you. Negan walked in front of Carl's loaded gun with a smile on his face. He abuses his close allies. It just takes one person to decide life is no longer worth living to do an assassination. Like, someone who's tired of living in a constant state of fear, someone who's been defaced... Obviously leading by fear works but if you pull at people's strings eventually it'll break. There's no way his routine is sustainable. | ||
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Djzapz
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On December 08 2016 06:41 GreenHorizons wrote: Carl is a different story, but why people like Dwight don't kill Negan isn't much different than why they didn't just always kill their local kings/barons back in feudal times. As for Carl it's a bit tougher to explain why he didn't kill Negan right away other than he choked at the last minute (wouldn't be the first time) or maybe he realized he wasn't just killing himself and Negan but everyone, most immediately, Daryl. As for why Negan hasn't killed Carl, seems like they are making Negan want an heir, and he thinks Carl has the potential to be a quality prince. Plus he would get quite the jollies from having Carl be a willing Neganite and leverage that against Rick. But they often killed kings and barons back in feudal times. Perhaps Negan should read some Machiavelli, because you don't stay in power very long by being a straight up sadist unless you have very loyal and powerful people around you. Negan walked in front of Carl's loaded gun with a smile on his face. He abuses his close allies. It just takes one person to decide life is no longer worth living to do an assassination. Like, someone who's tired of living in a constant state of fear, someone who's been defaced... Obviously leading by fear works but if you pull at people's strings eventually it'll break. There's no way his routine is sustainable. The character would be more believable if he was less of a dick to his people. Like, he repeatedly talks about Dwight's wife to him in his face, believing that Dwight is just broken and has fully submitted. He's confident that he can turn Daryl. You can't safely surround yourself with a bunch of Reek's from GoT. | ||
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