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On November 17 2016 01:54 Djzapz wrote:
I find Negan to be pretty interesting to be perfectly honest. Perhaps interesting is the wrong word, but "fun" sounds right. At this point I've given up on trying to take the show too seriously because the characters have made a slew of decisions so stupid it just entirely broke the 4th wall for me. So I welcome over-the-top craziness at this point. Fuck it, ye know.
However my criticism of the episode and the season so far is that, while I know what they're getting at, while I understand that The Crew is going to somehow overthrow Rick or somehow convince him to do some Guerilla warfare or something. But the four episodes so far, that's four episodes in a row are just Rick's crew losing at every turn, getting fucked into a checkmate. It's to make their future success all the more satisfying I guess when it does happen. But until then 45 minutes of Rick's gang getting fucked gets pretty dull. 180 minutes of it is fucking irritating, pepper the thing with small victories otherwise it's just boring and sad.
Episode 1 set the stage, Negan is a dick and Rick is broken, that was fine
Episode 2 was cute memes and sidequests, could come in handy
Episode 3 set the stage again, Negan is a dick and Daryll is broken, could've been accomplished in 10 minutes
Episode 4 set the stage again, Negan is a dick and Rick is still broken, could've been accomplished in 10 minutes
It's getting redundant.
Wow, this summarizes it perfectly.
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On November 17 2016 02:16 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2016 23:38 Hyperbola wrote:
Negan's actor tries too hard to appear terrifying instead of being terrifying by nature. He doesn't have the natural charisma of the Negan in the comics. Which is strange, considering that we're comparing a 2d cartoon to a real human.
But yes, I agree, no need to fight the saviors, just kill Negan and they'll tear eachother apart over who becomes the new leader. Use that opportunity to assert dominance.
Honestly, Rick could have just had some people hide in houses or that sniper tower and exterminate the 20 guys they brought with them. They did the same exact thing before during the prison war. Negan's cockiness would have cost him his life. why even use a sniper rifle, they had a freakin rocket launcher and a single choke entrance where negan and his guys came through and chilled a bit
I think RPGs are pretty bad at killing people, they're meant to destroy vehicles or some shit. Just mow them down with rifles, they were all clumped up ready to get torn to shreds by rifle ammo that can quite easily go through 2-3+ people before stopping. Negan's crew was complacent at least in appearance, but you can't know that they didn't have snipers of their own looking at the towers.
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On November 17 2016 03:04 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2016 02:16 Aocowns wrote:On November 16 2016 23:38 Hyperbola wrote:
Negan's actor tries too hard to appear terrifying instead of being terrifying by nature. He doesn't have the natural charisma of the Negan in the comics. Which is strange, considering that we're comparing a 2d cartoon to a real human.
But yes, I agree, no need to fight the saviors, just kill Negan and they'll tear eachother apart over who becomes the new leader. Use that opportunity to assert dominance.
Honestly, Rick could have just had some people hide in houses or that sniper tower and exterminate the 20 guys they brought with them. They did the same exact thing before during the prison war. Negan's cockiness would have cost him his life. why even use a sniper rifle, they had a freakin rocket launcher and a single choke entrance where negan and his guys came through and chilled a bit I think RPGs are pretty bad at killing people, they're meant to destroy vehicles or some shit. Just mow them down with rifles, they were all clumped up ready to get torn to shreds by rifle ammo that can quite easily go through 2-3+ people before stopping. Negan's crew was complacent at least in appearance, but you can't know that they didn't have snipers of their own looking at the towers.
yeah i took another second to think and my suggestion isnt that good anymore, especially considering negan showed up unnanounced. taking that fact into consideration kinda makes the ambush talk a bit dumb, moving people, guns, and ammo takes far too much time and they would probably fuck it up since they didnt have advance warning
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On November 17 2016 03:11 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2016 03:04 Djzapz wrote:On November 17 2016 02:16 Aocowns wrote:On November 16 2016 23:38 Hyperbola wrote:
Negan's actor tries too hard to appear terrifying instead of being terrifying by nature. He doesn't have the natural charisma of the Negan in the comics. Which is strange, considering that we're comparing a 2d cartoon to a real human.
But yes, I agree, no need to fight the saviors, just kill Negan and they'll tear eachother apart over who becomes the new leader. Use that opportunity to assert dominance.
Honestly, Rick could have just had some people hide in houses or that sniper tower and exterminate the 20 guys they brought with them. They did the same exact thing before during the prison war. Negan's cockiness would have cost him his life. why even use a sniper rifle, they had a freakin rocket launcher and a single choke entrance where negan and his guys came through and chilled a bit I think RPGs are pretty bad at killing people, they're meant to destroy vehicles or some shit. Just mow them down with rifles, they were all clumped up ready to get torn to shreds by rifle ammo that can quite easily go through 2-3+ people before stopping. Negan's crew was complacent at least in appearance, but you can't know that they didn't have snipers of their own looking at the towers. yeah i took another second to think and my suggestion isnt that good anymore, especially considering negan showed up unnanounced. taking that fact into consideration kinda makes the ambush talk a bit dumb, moving people, guns, and ammo takes far too much time and they would probably fuck it up since they didnt have advance warning
Well gee maybe if they didn't spend the day after crying and moping and instead started to strengthen their defenses and preparing for a counter attack then they wouldn't have been caught with their pants down.
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On November 17 2016 03:56 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2016 03:11 Aocowns wrote:On November 17 2016 03:04 Djzapz wrote:On November 17 2016 02:16 Aocowns wrote:On November 16 2016 23:38 Hyperbola wrote:
Negan's actor tries too hard to appear terrifying instead of being terrifying by nature. He doesn't have the natural charisma of the Negan in the comics. Which is strange, considering that we're comparing a 2d cartoon to a real human.
But yes, I agree, no need to fight the saviors, just kill Negan and they'll tear eachother apart over who becomes the new leader. Use that opportunity to assert dominance.
Honestly, Rick could have just had some people hide in houses or that sniper tower and exterminate the 20 guys they brought with them. They did the same exact thing before during the prison war. Negan's cockiness would have cost him his life. why even use a sniper rifle, they had a freakin rocket launcher and a single choke entrance where negan and his guys came through and chilled a bit I think RPGs are pretty bad at killing people, they're meant to destroy vehicles or some shit. Just mow them down with rifles, they were all clumped up ready to get torn to shreds by rifle ammo that can quite easily go through 2-3+ people before stopping. Negan's crew was complacent at least in appearance, but you can't know that they didn't have snipers of their own looking at the towers. yeah i took another second to think and my suggestion isnt that good anymore, especially considering negan showed up unnanounced. taking that fact into consideration kinda makes the ambush talk a bit dumb, moving people, guns, and ammo takes far too much time and they would probably fuck it up since they didnt have advance warning Well gee maybe if they didn't spend the day after crying and moping and instead started to strengthen their defenses and preparing for a counter attack then they wouldn't have been caught with their pants down.
youre assuming they wouldnt mind darryl being tortured and killed for it though
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Isn't it time to just cut their losses and run? I guess the smartest thing doesn't necessarily make for good TV. Pack up what they have and drive 6, 8, 10 hours north or wherever. Refill on gas and keep driving. If they go far enough their chances of being found are slim to none. It's only a matter of time before more people die from not having interesting offerings so I think that danger outweighs leaving a man behind.
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On November 18 2016 01:46 calgar wrote:
Isn't it time to just cut their losses and run? I guess the smartest thing doesn't necessarily make for good TV. Pack up what they have and drive 6, 8, 10 hours north or wherever. Refill on gas and keep driving. If they go far enough their chances of being found are slim to none. It's only a matter of time before more people die from not having interesting offerings so I think that danger outweighs leaving a man behind.
Agreed. Ditch Alexandria, its no longer a safe option. They are under constant threat of being killed. I understand not wanting to leave Daryl and they probably want some sort of revenge still but you have to cut your losses like you said.
Also don't understand why they just don't kill Negan and see what happens. I'll bet more than just a few of the people hes got working for him are doing it because theres no other option. Some are probably just bad guys and will have to be fought back but ya. Kill the leader, watch the saviors have a civil war and almost disband.
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I think they aren't running because Alexandria is a paradise by walking dead standards. Even Negan's compound doesn't have that level of luxury. Rick thinks he can manage under Negan's rule and lead an okay life.
Honestly, I don't blame him. They have been on the run since the prison was destroyed. They survived cannibals, weird death cultists, some pedophiles and a couple thousand zombies. Living under the fist of a tyrant while still having access to food and water and shelter is far better than the alternative.
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On November 18 2016 05:57 Hyperbola wrote:
I think they aren't running because Alexandria is a paradise by walking dead standards. Even Negan's compound doesn't have that level of luxury. Rick thinks he can manage under Negan's rule and lead an okay life.
Honestly, I don't blame him. They have been on the run since the prison was destroyed. They survived cannibals, weird death cultists, some pedophiles and a couple thousand zombies. Living under the fist of a tyrant while still having access to food and water and shelter is far better than the alternative.
Except they don't really have food. That's what the deal with the Hilltop that started all of this was all about.
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On November 18 2016 05:58 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2016 05:57 Hyperbola wrote:
I think they aren't running because Alexandria is a paradise by walking dead standards. Even Negan's compound doesn't have that level of luxury. Rick thinks he can manage under Negan's rule and lead an okay life.
Honestly, I don't blame him. They have been on the run since the prison was destroyed. They survived cannibals, weird death cultists, some pedophiles and a couple thousand zombies. Living under the fist of a tyrant while still having access to food and water and shelter is far better than the alternative. Except they don't really have food. That's what the deal with the Hilltop that started all of this was all about.
Well the point was that they couldn't get better living conditions anywhere else. Should have made farms by now but whatever.
You really think they'd be better off roaming and scavenging?
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On November 18 2016 07:29 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2016 05:58 Acrofales wrote:On November 18 2016 05:57 Hyperbola wrote:
I think they aren't running because Alexandria is a paradise by walking dead standards. Even Negan's compound doesn't have that level of luxury. Rick thinks he can manage under Negan's rule and lead an okay life.
Honestly, I don't blame him. They have been on the run since the prison was destroyed. They survived cannibals, weird death cultists, some pedophiles and a couple thousand zombies. Living under the fist of a tyrant while still having access to food and water and shelter is far better than the alternative. Except they don't really have food. That's what the deal with the Hilltop that started all of this was all about. Well the point was that they couldn't get better living conditions anywhere else. Should have made farms by now but whatever. You really think they'd be better off roaming and scavenging? Absolutely without a doubt. They cannot sustain highly profitable scavenging runs. They've been there for a long time now - they've already searched within an X mile radius. As time goes on they have to go farther and farther. That makes it exponentially harder and more dangerous. Bad week? Someone dies. Anyone cracks and disrespects or rebels? Someone dies. They can barely feed what they have right now hence the hilltop deal. What's the point of the safety of the walls if everyone has to be gone constantly to find random shit to give away. At a certain point they'd be better off just scavenging for themselves and keeping it all - hence the running away. I think they're at that certain point. Leaving is like rolling the dice and would be dangerous but the reset button is better than the current arrangement.
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I haven't seen episode 4 yet, but just a quick comment about episode 3: those guys mopping the hallways were using dry mops. They were doing literally nothing :|
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On November 18 2016 12:19 tofucake wrote:
I haven't seen episode 4 yet, but just a quick comment about episode 3: those guys mopping the hallways were using dry mops. They were doing literally nothing :|
Whole show just lost its credibility
E: Also, I'm still not over of how Glen died. Not the most gore among scenes I've seen, but for a character that I've followed for 6 seasons...man.
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Not even half way through the season and they already doing filler episodes. Just skipped over the entire Enid scenes as she does nothing at all for the show and for some reason the writers have focused more on her than character's in the main group like Eugene, Sasha, or even Gabriel.
Stupid episode.
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Yeah that ep was very grim. Nothing happened.
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Really boring chapter, I even didnt see the last 15 minutes.
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ZZZZZZzzzz, almost like they gave up on this show
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I liked the episode. Steven Ogg is a great actor. Shame that he's probably going to die.
Also I liked Carl in this episode. Something that I'd never thought I'd say.
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