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serum321
United States606 Posts
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Random_Guy09
Canada1010 Posts
On April 02 2013 00:40 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Yeah I got the feeling he was dead set on doing it anyway. Initially he was probably going to sacrifice Michonne regardless. Her talk just caused him to spare her. I saw Daryl as the clincher with regards to him willing to put his life on the line. If you think about it, Merle was a pretty sad character behind his asshole exterior. He couldn't go back to Woodbury, and he felt like an outcast in Rick's group, all he felt like he had left in the world was Daryl. However, in some ways he didn't even have that; Daryl, unlike him, grew as a person despite having a similar background and was actually accepted within the group. So at the end of the day it was just Merle and the zombies left in the world, which I think the writers were hinting at during the scene where he's casually having a drink in a car surrounded by Zombies. You see that's actually good writing. This episode is shit. I felt the same way. They even discussed it on The Talking Dead after. No matter what Michonne said Merle was going to go (even in a partial drunken state) and try to gun down as many of The Governer's soldiers as he could and possibly The Governor himself if he got the chance. If he made it out after the mass slaughter ok and if he didn't he did everything he could to redeem himself so he was happy. Onto this underwhelming disappointing season finale.. I was hoping for something more when they spent alot of time hyping up the final confrontation between Rick and The Governor. Plus AMC released the "almost accurate" kill count for the episode making most of us think something awesome was going to happen. Well that didn't happen at all.. 29/27 (27 was the number we were given by AMC) and only 2 plot characters died. Milton's death was a pretty ballsy way to go. Andrea's on the other hand makes no sense as other have stated. Survive a winter almost dying of sickness, able to fight off 3-4 walkers with only a knife and hand to hand combat. Can't kill 1 zombie with only a set of pliers and your own hands... All it's been this season is lets kill off characters that have started getting some development and kill them off suddenly (or heroically as in T-Dog's case) instead of doing something epic and closing story arc's for them through a mid-season finale or the season finale itself... They could have just ended the season with last episode and giving it an ending to fit a season finale and be done. Was such a roller coaster last episode to just sitting and waiting for something to happen in this one... Makes me not even want to watch next season at all... GG AMC and TWD writers you have probably officially made the worst season finale in TV history congrats.... | ||
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
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mythandier
United States828 Posts
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Shellebelles
51 Posts
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
On April 02 2013 05:17 Scorch wrote: This would have been an okay episode if it wasn't the season finale. I certainly didn't expect the Governor to survive, and I didn't even dare to hope that Andrea would finally die. It's somewhat telling that I was sadder about Merle's death than Andrea's. With Lori and Andrea dead, at least that leaves us without stupid annoying women, which bodes well for season 4. Then again, the Governor is still alive and Rick just took in a bus load of old and meek, which will extend the prison arc even more. Why didn't they end the season after this story arc is finished? Carol and Beth are stupid annoying women!  | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
On April 02 2013 05:20 Disengaged wrote: Carol and Beth are stupid annoying women! Nah. They may not be of much use, but at least they stay in the background and don't drag whole seasons down. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
Some good moments: 1) Andrea dying: I hate her, she's an incompetent baboon and I don't have to watch her shitty side stories anymore. 2) Carl basically executing that kid and standing up to Rick. 3) Gov killing all of his own 'soldiers'. Everything else, blergh, just like most of season 3. | ||
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NotAPro
Canada146 Posts
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
Prison (pros) - Fences - Towers (unless they're all blown up) - Prison seemed more well built - In a more spacious area compared to a town or city cons - Zombies lurking in the other part of the prison - Running low on resources such as food and ammo Woodbury (pros) - More resources - Military assets such as humvees - Comfort because there are actual homes, restaurants, etc - More space - Barrier(s) protecting the town Cons - Since it is a town, other survivors will probably stumble upon it more often than a prison - Defense flaws such as that one episode where a walker managed to squeezed through a hole in the defensive wall Since the majority of the civilians have now moved into the prison, I find it hard how they will all managed in the future episodes. We do not know the whereabouts of the Governor since he may or may not go back to Woodbury. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9266 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 02 2013 06:40 zoLo wrote: Anyone else think that Rick's group should have taken Woodbury? There are pros and cons for both locations such as: Prison (pros) - Fences - Towers (unless they're all blown up) - Prison seemed more well built - In a more spacious area compared to a town or city cons - Zombies lurking in the other part of the prison - Running low on resources such as food and ammo Woodbury (pros) - More resources - Military assets such as humvees - Comfort because there are actual homes, restaurants, etc - More space - Barrier(s) protecting the town Cons - Since it is a town, other survivors will probably stumble upon it more often than a prison - Defense flaws such as that one episode where a walker managed to squeezed through a hole in the defensive wall Since the majority of the civilians have now moved into the prison, I find it hard how they will all managed in the future episodes. We do not know the whereabouts of the Governor since he may or may not go back to Woodbury. I think the biggest downside is that woodberry is more spacious and has multiple entrances that need to be defended whereas the prison basicly had one entrance and once inside you could lock up different areas making additonial seperated areas even if the "one entrance" thing fails. Woodberry seems better but I doubt they'd be able to guard it with the people they have. The gov basicly killed everyone, right? The people that are left are those 2 guys who didn't want to join the war, that one women who survived and the rest are people who were considered not suitable to carry a weapon, so either really old people or kids younger than Carl I guess? I don't see them being able to guard every part of it 24/7 simply due to lack of manpower. Just compare that to the 1 guy who had to stand guard in the prison. I don't think they'll be able to hang around in the prison for much longer either though, simply because of the food situation. Way more people now and they can't (?) grow food outside because it's overrun with zombies. They're bound to run out of supplies at some point. ///Edit: Oh yeah, also thought Carl did the right thing. That kid was shady as it can get lol. "see I'ma put down my gun. Just let me get closer... a little closer... oh and don't mind me pointing my gun at you" | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
On April 02 2013 07:28 Toadesstern wrote: I think the biggest downside is that woodberry is more spacious and has multiple entrances that need to be defended whereas the prison basicly had one entrance and once inside you could lock up different areas making additonial seperated areas even if the "one entrance" thing fails. Woodberry seems better but I doubt they'd be able to guard it with the people they have. The gov basicly killed everyone, right? The people that are left are those 2 guys who didn't want to join the war, that one women who survived and the rest are people who were considered not suitable to carry a weapon, so either really old people or kids younger than Carl I guess? I don't see them being able to guard every part of it 24/7 simply due to lack of manpower. Just compare that to the 1 guy who had to stand guard in the prison. I don't think they'll be able to hang around in the prison for much longer either though, simply because of the food situation. Way more people now and they can't (?) grow food outside because it's overrun with zombies. They're bound to run out of supplies at some point. ///Edit: Oh yeah, also thought Carl did the right thing. That kid was shady as it can get lol. "see I'ma put down my gun. Just let me get closer... a little closer... oh and don't mind me pointing my gun at you" Yeah, good points. The Governor killed most of the able bodies. We do not know if he killed them all, but I doubt we'll see any survivors coming back besides Karen (the woman that was under the dead body). The thing is that we do not know how big Woodbury is. On average, most of the Woodbury scenes always revolved around the main entrance of the town. I can see Rick's group having 4 on guard during the day and maybe 2 at night (like Tyreese and Sasha) and the others in other parts of the town. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
Andrea, who is one of the more important characters in the comic and arguably one of the top 5 most badass good-guys in the entire comic? Seriously? Jesus... I'm not sure if I even want to see the finale now... | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On April 02 2013 06:40 zoLo wrote: Anyone else think that Rick's group should have taken Woodbury? There are pros and cons for both locations such as: Prison (pros) - Fences - Towers (unless they're all blown up) - Prison seemed more well built - In a more spacious area compared to a town or city cons - Zombies lurking in the other part of the prison - Running low on resources such as food and ammo Woodbury (pros) - More resources - Military assets such as humvees - Comfort because there are actual homes, restaurants, etc - More space - Barrier(s) protecting the town Cons - Since it is a town, other survivors will probably stumble upon it more often than a prison - Defense flaws such as that one episode where a walker managed to squeezed through a hole in the defensive wall Since the majority of the civilians have now moved into the prison, I find it hard how they will all managed in the future episodes. We do not know the whereabouts of the Governor since he may or may not go back to Woodbury. The hole that existed in woodbury was only there cause Rick and co had to break in somewhere away from the front gate to rescue glenn and maggie, and the zombies slipped through there. As far as we know zombies have never gotten into woodbury that weren't intentionally brought there. As for the con of the zombies locked in the lower levels of the prison, they're sealed behind concrete walls and thick iron bar doors which they could never hope to break through. That's the major plus of the prison is that if for some reason zombies managed to get into the living area, the section can be sealed with the unbreachable doors and the threat contained. If the worst must come to pass and theres no escape, they can at least lock themselves in an individual prison cell and just stab them through the bars until it's clear. Probably more secure than being on a boat where you're essentially trapped with people who could silently die at night and wipe out half a group before they even realized it. Also, the reason the zombies are so numerous in the prison sub levels is because there actually is a hole that leads to the outside, which was how Tyreese and his group stumbled in. They were going to seal it but never got around to it. Even then, it'd make no difference to their safety. The only real con about those zombies is that if for any reason the group had to escape the prison and couldn't access the main entrance for one reason or another. edit: The boardwalk town in War Z is probably the single most ingenius idea to building a zombie proof dwelling. Raise all of the houses off the ground, add boardwalks to connect each house, ramps leading down from the boardwalk that can be raised to prevent zombies from getting up, and then surround everything in a wall. The only con, a fairly minor one, is that you'd need someone capable of maintaining the integrity of the supports. + Show Spoiler [war z safe zone pic] + ![[image loading]](http://www.twzwiki.com/images/0/0e/SouthSafeZone2.png) | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 02 2013 07:39 zoLo wrote: Yeah, good points. The Governor killed most of the able bodies. We do not know if he killed them all, but I doubt we'll see any survivors coming back besides Karen (the woman that was under the dead body). The thing is that we do not know how big Woodbury is. On average, most of the Woodbury scenes always revolved around the main entrance of the town. I can see Rick's group having 4 on guard during the day and maybe 2 at night (like Tyreese and Sasha) and the others in other parts of the town. When Andrea made her "espace" at night that was another part of the barrier, wasn't it? Didn't seem like the maingate to me though I don't know for certain right now. If it was another part that alone is probably already enough to make it really hard on them because it literally doubles the manpower they need even if they only have 1 guy guarding per place at the same time and do shifts. And they do need it to be guarded 24/7 because without thick concrete walls and ceilings (those at least give you some time) they need to know when something's about to happen the instant it's happening. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On April 02 2013 07:48 Dosey wrote: I haven't seen the episode yet... but did they really kill off Andrea? Andrea, who is one of the more important characters in the comic and arguably one of the top 5 most badass good-guys in the entire comic? Seriously? Jesus... I'm not sure if I even want to see the finale now... why would that of all things bother you? She's NEVER been the same character in the comic as she is in the show. She's been worthless, stupid, and incompetent since the show began. She's never been the same Andrea, so whocares if she dies. | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
Everything that happened in the comic to make Andrea so great won't happen in the show for certain reasons, anyway. | ||
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