Even if she spoke so little, this was the only way she could have survived, talk her way out of trouble. It's not like she had any other chance.
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
Even if she spoke so little, this was the only way she could have survived, talk her way out of trouble. It's not like she had any other chance. | ||
Random_Guy09
Canada1010 Posts
On March 25 2013 12:03 Disengaged wrote: Michael Rooker has been on Talking Dead before. I'm still really disappointed that Andrew Lincoln has yet to be on Talking Dead. I think Andrew was apart of 1 episode of The Talking Dead last season I believe. | ||
HocusPocus
Germany214 Posts
Whats actually going to happen is pretty clear: Governour vs Officer Friendly, lots of blood gore death and maybe we will see a few zombies to remind us that we are watching the walking dead. I really hope there is less than 10 minutes of talking before the action starts. The way the Woodberry people are armed Ricks group will decide to flee. Hershall and Maggie's little sister will die. Glen will get himself injured trying to take out the Governour and Andrea will get killed somehow. Maybe the Govenour will try to use her to lure them out of their fortified position At least thats what i imagine could happen | ||
JSK
United States133 Posts
On March 26 2013 04:45 Conti wrote: And that's exactly what would turn Merle into a dumb, shallow character. Michonne's little speech wasn't even very convincing. It was blatantly obvious what she was trying to do, and it was equally blatantly obvious what she was pointing out. You have to be a specifically dumb person not to have ever thought of this yourself. Merle going from "I'm going to turn her over to get on the gov's good side." to "Uh oh, she's totally right. Better kill myself." just doesn't make any sense. Merle had a lot of time to himself in the prison. Nobody but his brother liked him. They hated him, actually. He had a lot of time to do some self-reflection and think about his life. And during that time he should have come to the conclusion that he's an asshole that nobody likes and that should start doing something good. And so he decided not to have Michonne killed (he knew the gov, so he knew that the gov would never just let the rest of the group go like that) and have a go to kill the gov himself. You're trying far too hard to be critical, like most critics really. Michonne's point about him having to live with himself was one factor in his decision to do what he did. The conversation between Merle and Michonne was much longer than you are making it out to be and much more nuanced as well. The conversation about whether or not to turn her over was ALMOST ENTIRELY the basis of this episode. Furthermore, it doesn't matter that it was blatantly obvious what she was trying to do or that it was blatantly obvious what she was pointing out. That's the point. He HAD been thinking about it. Obviously. You can tell that from the script. You can't possibly tell me that having somebody else lay things out for you that you (as you yourself said) had been thinking doesn't have an impact. More importantly she convinced him that he was wrong about his own reasons for turning her over- things that he hadn't necessarily been thinking about. Merle did have a lot of time to himself in the prison to think about it. Nobody liked him except for his brother. THAT'S WHY HE TOLD MICHONNE HE COULDN'T GO BACK. He DID come to the conclusion that he's an asshole that nobody likes, which was WHY he was turning Michonne over - to survive and co-exist at the prison he had to do their dirty work for them because it was all he COULD do. The conversation with Michonne didn't convince him he couldn't live with himself, it convinced that it wasn't a life worth living. And that he might as well go out on his own terms in a way that he would be happy with himself. He also wasn't turning her over to get on the Governor's good side. He was specifically talking TO Michonne about his decision TO turn her over AS him performing the "dirty work" role for the prison group. This was not to get on the Governor's good side. It was to get on the prison's good side, for his own survival. Which he ended up deciding just wasn't worth it because Michonne convinced him that not only would he have trouble living with himself, but that he was LYING to HIMSELF about the reasons for turning her over. This completely contradicts your silly rant. If you need me to literally find the script for you and explain it in-depth, I will. How you could think this episode turned Merle into a "dumb, shallow character" is absolutely beyond me. Your fatal mistake is assuming that you are smarter than the creators of the show. They have put some pretty stupid shit in the show, that much is true, but this episode was not stupid shit. It was over your head, and you didn't understand it. (or weren't paying attention) Since you did not understand, you assumed that it was not you who had not understood, but the writers themselves. Basically you didn't understand the show and are trying too hard to criticize it. if you're going to do that, at least criticize valid problems, like walkers literally appearing from nowhere in an absolutely impossible way and attacking Andrea in the last show. | ||
Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On March 26 2013 21:56 JSK wrote: You're trying far too hard to be critical, like most critics really. Michonne's point about him having to live with himself was one factor in his decision to do what he did. The conversation between Merle and Michonne was much longer than you are making it out to be and much more nuanced as well. The conversation about whether or not to turn her over was ALMOST ENTIRELY the basis of this episode. Furthermore, it doesn't matter that it was blatantly obvious what she was trying to do or that it was blatantly obvious what she was pointing out. That's the point. He HAD been thinking about it. Obviously. You can tell that from the script. You can't possibly tell me that having somebody else lay things out for you that you (as you yourself said) had been thinking doesn't have an impact. Merle did have a lot of time to himself in the prison to think about it. Nobody liked him except for his brother. THAT'S WHY HE TOLD MICHONNE HE COULDN'T GO BACK. He DID come to the conclusion that he's an asshole that nobody likes, which was WHY he was turning Michonne over - to survive and co-exist at the prison he had to do their dirty work for them because it was all he COULD do. The conversation with Michonne didn't convince him he couldn't live with himself, it convinced that it wasn't a life worth living. And that he might as well go out on his own terms in a way that he would be happy with himself. He also wasn't turning her over to get on the Governor's good side. He was specifically talking TO Michonne about his decision TO turn her over AS him performing the "dirty work" role for the prison group. This was not to get on the Governor's good side. It was to get on the prison's good side, for his own survival. Which he ended up deciding just wasn't worth it because Michonne convinced him that not only would he have trouble living with himself, but that he was LYING to HIMSELF about the reasons for turning her over. This completely contradicts your silly rant. If you need me to literally find the script for you and explain it in-depth, I will. How you could think this episode turned Merle into a "dumb, shallow character" is absolutely beyond me. Your fatal mistake is assuming that you are smarter than the creators of the show. They have put some pretty stupid shit in the show, that much is true, but this episode was not stupid shit. It was over your head, and you didn't understand it. (or weren't paying attention) Since you did not understand, you assumed that it was not you who had not understood, but the writers themselves. Basically you didn't understand the show and are trying too hard to criticize it. if you're going to do that, at least criticize valid problems, like walkers literally appearing from nowhere in an absolutely impossible way and attacking Andrea in the last show. Actually, I was responding to people claiming that Michonne's speech was the sole reason for Merle to do what he did. And I was pointing out that, if that were true, it would have been pretty stupid writing, so it's (hopefully) not true. That's all. I actually agree with most of what you say, and I'd like to think that's how the writers intended the episode to be. I still don't agree with the initial idea that Merle wanted to turn Michonne over for the group. Merle was an asshole, but he wasn't stupid. There's no way he would see himself surviving by turning up with Michonne and no back-up to the gov's group. They would have taken and/or killed him, and he knew that more than anyone in the prison's group. | ||
Ayush_SCtoss
India3050 Posts
Pretty sure Hershel is going to die. He gave his blessings to Glenn, had some nice quiet time with his daughters. Can't run. Don't think he'll manage to escape. I honestly don't think Carol will die because well, she is the only one closest to Daryl now. I don't think Andrea will die and I actually like her lol. I just hope that there isn't any romance between Beth and Carl, that is just creepy as shit. | ||
Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
We all know obviously she won't die for this reason. EDIT: Place bets now on who will kill Governor. Michonne - she cut out his eye, he'll be coming for her. Andreaa - kidnapped and probably torturing her now. Glen - still mad about the Maggie incident. Daryl - just lost his brother to him. Rick - leader vs leader. Place bets, place bets!! I vote Rick. | ||
Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18045 Posts
Next episode: Beth dies (please). Glenn dies (because he has finally got shit going for him, plus someone has to be sacrificed before Andrea finally kills the governor). Andrea unfortunately doesn't die and is reunited with Michonne who forgives all in one of the most cringeworthy scenes of all-time. Also, Milton and Tyrese switch sides, and Milton is shot. | ||
Alay
United States660 Posts
(comic-related spoiler?) + Show Spoiler + Tyreese is going to be like Lily in the comic | ||
Ender985
Spain910 Posts
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Windwaker
Germany1597 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
1) it wasn't a suicide mission, he said he felt his character (merle) was doing something to save the group by taking out as many of the bad guys, and hopefully the governor, then returning to the prison. the fact that he didn't get to come back was a consequence he was willing to accept but it WASNT a suicide mission 2) he specifically said he was doing it because he wanted to get on the good side with the prison people. to 'do their dirty work' because ultimately, the only person who cared for him was his brother, and if doing 'good' by the prison people would let him stay with his brother, than he'd do it. he originally thought it was by turning in michonne because rick didn't have the balls to do it, but thanks to michonne's conversation, he realized, he needed to do it alone. But yes, he did it for the prison group, and for himself (most importantly for his brother). So you can stop speculating, about he was doing it to get back on the good side with the governor, the fucking actor said it was to get on Rick and the Groups good side. | ||
frogmelter
United States971 Posts
On March 27 2013 01:38 Kazeyonoma wrote: In the Talking dead, michael rooker lays it all out. 1) it wasn't a suicide mission, he said he felt his character (merle) was doing something to save the group by taking out as many of the bad guys, and hopefully the governor, then returning to the prison. the fact that he didn't get to come back was a consequence he was willing to accept but it WASNT a suicide mission 2) he specifically said he was doing it because he wanted to get on the good side with the prison people. to 'do their dirty work' because ultimately, the only person who cared for him was his brother, and if doing 'good' by the prison people would let him stay with his brother, than he'd do it. he originally thought it was by turning in michonne because rick didn't have the balls to do it, but thanks to michonne's conversation, he realized, he needed to do it alone. But yes, he did it for the prison group, and for himself (most importantly for his brother). So you can stop speculating, about he was doing it to get back on the good side with the governor, the fucking actor said it was to get on Rick and the Groups good side. Thanks for the information. I don't watch The Talking Dead and this clears up a lot of things. | ||
Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On March 27 2013 01:38 Kazeyonoma wrote: In the Talking dead, michael rooker lays it all out. 1) it wasn't a suicide mission, he said he felt his character (merle) was doing something to save the group by taking out as many of the bad guys, and hopefully the governor, then returning to the prison. the fact that he didn't get to come back was a consequence he was willing to accept but it WASNT a suicide mission 2) he specifically said he was doing it because he wanted to get on the good side with the prison people. to 'do their dirty work' because ultimately, the only person who cared for him was his brother, and if doing 'good' by the prison people would let him stay with his brother, than he'd do it. he originally thought it was by turning in michonne because rick didn't have the balls to do it, but thanks to michonne's conversation, he realized, he needed to do it alone. But yes, he did it for the prison group, and for himself (most importantly for his brother). So you can stop speculating, about he was doing it to get back on the good side with the governor, the fucking actor said it was to get on Rick and the Groups good side. Just for the record, I never said that it was Merle's intention to get on the Governors good side. I used that as an example how it should not have been done. And, apparently, it wasn't, so all is good. | ||
pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
On March 27 2013 01:02 Alay wrote: I think (comic-related spoiler?) + Show Spoiler + Tyreese is going to be like Lily in the comic Yeah I also think that. | ||
Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On March 27 2013 03:08 Conti wrote: Just for the record, I never said that it was Merle's intention to get on the Governors good side. I used that as an example how it should not have been done. And, apparently, it wasn't, so all is good. I wasn't targetting you in particular, just the entire discussion that Merle might be going back to the gov or something was clearly refuted by Michael Rooker's discussion. I would suggest everyone who can, to watch The Talking Dead afterwards. Yes a lot of it is just random fanservice crap and ratings boosters, but they also get a lot of insight from the guests, especially episodes where the director or producer is there. Greg Nicotero was on this last one, and he explained a LOT about the episode, and it's really insightful to see that what I thought, was actually portrayed and was INTENTIONAL and not as many skeptics believe was 'accidental' or 'was done poorly'. | ||
checo
Mexico1364 Posts
On March 26 2013 23:40 Fulla wrote: Andreaa is the most annoying character on the show. We all know obviously she won't die for this reason. EDIT: Place bets now on who will kill Governor. Michonne - she cut out his eye, he'll be coming for her. Andreaa - kidnapped and probably torturing her now. Glen - still mad about the Maggie incident. Daryl - just lost his brother to him. Rick - leader vs leader. Place bets, place bets!! I vote Rick. I got Daryl baby, i almost spend a tear on the episode ending = (, Merle was awesome. | ||
DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
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