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On March 19 2013 21:48 Salteador Neo wrote:
I found it weird in the past episode how Rick didn't snap-headshot at first sight the Gov when they met to talk to be honest. Specially after what happened before in Woodbury plus he said it himself to the group: He is gonna kill the Gov.
He has to know that's the best chance he gets and that the "negotiations" would go nowhere. I know it's a risk for the guys outside but still...
This last chapter was a big bunch of predictable nothing, so that makes two of them in a row. A shame because the season was looking pretty decent so far.
Yes, that episode had so much bad dialogue and inconsistent characters. Rick, the former police who has consistently shown he is good at taking hard split second decisions, like without hesitation putting a machete into the forehead of a person or killing the two guys in the bar. The guy who has also clearly stated he's going to kill the governor, a person he knows is manipulative and homicidal. So what does Rick do? Even though he knows his mind is in a bad place, Rick sits down for hours and lets the governor fill him with his bullshit meanwhile dropping very characteristic lines such as "How do I know I can trust you?".
In the last scene I remember Herschel opening up the dialogue with something like "Me and Carol think we should take our chances on the road", and when their conversation ends Rick is practically begging for options and Herschel is just quiet like he has forgotten the opinion he had 2 minutes before on the whole situation.
I also thought Martinez finding common ground with Daryl and acting sort of likable further undermined the whole ruling structure of Woodbury and its motives.
The only interesting scene in this last episode was the fight between Tyrese and his friend by the zombie pit. It felt gritty and had that "Oh that would be gruesome"-feel to it. The rest was the usual uninteresting and nonsensical business.
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As for last episode, I enjoyed it on it's own the same way I would enjoy a B-level slasher flick. In the grand scheme of things, worthless episode. They did not need 16 episodes...
I would put money on AMC having pushed for that many episodes. That many more opportunites to plug the Talking Dead, Walking Dead social media game as they call it, and having people tune into their other shows to get "sneak peeks." Standard network thoroughfare, I just hope it doesn't over all affect their quality.
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On March 21 2013 10:52 Windwaker wrote:
what a stupid ass episode, show is going downhill again
Sad but have to agree with that...
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To people saying Rick should have just shot the governor. You can't argue that Rick, at least when not hallucinating, is always doing whats in the best interest of the group and the group's survival. If he shoots the governer there, then daryl and herschell would have been shot and killed. And then what? The prison is most definitely going to get raided. Even though he doesn't trust the governer, Rick is stuck between a rock and a hard place and figures any slim chance of not being raided is better than pissing the ppl of woodbury off further.
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On March 21 2013 22:10 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +As for last episode, I enjoyed it on it's own the same way I would enjoy a B-level slasher flick. In the grand scheme of things, worthless episode. They did not need 16 episodes... I would put money on AMC having pushed for that many episodes. That many more opportunites to plug the Talking Dead, Walking Dead social media game as they call it, and having people tune into their other shows to get "sneak peeks." Standard network thoroughfare, I just hope it doesn't over all affect their quality.
For a longer look at the next episode, watch <insert crap show here> on Thursday at 9.
Does anybody actually do that? Show must be really bad if they have to tack on something to the end of it just to boost the ratings however they can.
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Seems like governor has got a lot of orbitals to scan where andrea is, the road "chase" was ok, believable but the one at the fields? seriously? he lost an eye and he didn't get a robotic eye to do that sort of searchs... immersion breaking at it's finest :C
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On March 22 2013 23:31 serum321 wrote:
To people saying Rick should have just shot the governor. You can't argue that Rick, at least when not hallucinating, is always doing whats in the best interest of the group and the group's survival. If he shoots the governer there, then daryl and herschell would have been shot and killed. And then what? The prison is most definitely going to get raided. Even though he doesn't trust the governer, Rick is stuck between a rock and a hard place and figures any slim chance of not being raided is better than pissing the ppl of woodbury off further.
No they wouldn't have. The big ass door was closed, and they were the only two in the room. No one outside of there would have had any idea what happened until someone walked out. He could have shot the governor, walked out, shot the other guys during their confusion (with Daryl joining in once he starts), and have been done with it all.
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On March 23 2013 08:35 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 23:31 serum321 wrote:
To people saying Rick should have just shot the governor. You can't argue that Rick, at least when not hallucinating, is always doing whats in the best interest of the group and the group's survival. If he shoots the governer there, then daryl and herschell would have been shot and killed. And then what? The prison is most definitely going to get raided. Even though he doesn't trust the governer, Rick is stuck between a rock and a hard place and figures any slim chance of not being raided is better than pissing the ppl of woodbury off further. No they wouldn't have. The big ass door was closed, and they were the only two in the room. No one outside of there would have had any idea what happened until someone walked out. He could have shot the governor, walked out, shot the other guys during their confusion (with Daryl joining in once he starts), and have been done with it all.
And no one would have heard a gunshot being fired inside the building? Or a struggle? Really?
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On March 23 2013 08:48 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 08:35 killa_robot wrote:On March 22 2013 23:31 serum321 wrote:
To people saying Rick should have just shot the governor. You can't argue that Rick, at least when not hallucinating, is always doing whats in the best interest of the group and the group's survival. If he shoots the governer there, then daryl and herschell would have been shot and killed. And then what? The prison is most definitely going to get raided. Even though he doesn't trust the governer, Rick is stuck between a rock and a hard place and figures any slim chance of not being raided is better than pissing the ppl of woodbury off further. No they wouldn't have. The big ass door was closed, and they were the only two in the room. No one outside of there would have had any idea what happened until someone walked out. He could have shot the governor, walked out, shot the other guys during their confusion (with Daryl joining in once he starts), and have been done with it all. And no one would have heard a gunshot being fired inside the building? Or a struggle? Really?
Yes they would have, hence the confusion part (what kind of struggle is involved in shooting someone on the other side of a table?). Neither Daryl nor their other guy's first reaction when hearing a gunshot, would be to kill the other guy. Assuming it'd turn into a bloodbath of Rick's side is just ignorant.
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On March 23 2013 08:51 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 08:48 Conti wrote:On March 23 2013 08:35 killa_robot wrote:On March 22 2013 23:31 serum321 wrote:
To people saying Rick should have just shot the governor. You can't argue that Rick, at least when not hallucinating, is always doing whats in the best interest of the group and the group's survival. If he shoots the governer there, then daryl and herschell would have been shot and killed. And then what? The prison is most definitely going to get raided. Even though he doesn't trust the governer, Rick is stuck between a rock and a hard place and figures any slim chance of not being raided is better than pissing the ppl of woodbury off further. No they wouldn't have. The big ass door was closed, and they were the only two in the room. No one outside of there would have had any idea what happened until someone walked out. He could have shot the governor, walked out, shot the other guys during their confusion (with Daryl joining in once he starts), and have been done with it all. And no one would have heard a gunshot being fired inside the building? Or a struggle? Really? Yes they would have, hence the confusion part (what kind of struggle is involved in shooting someone on the other side of a table?). Neither Daryl nor their other guy's first reaction when hearing a gunshot, would be to kill the other guy. Assuming it'd turn into a bloodbath of Rick's side is just ignorant.
All you guys seem to forget about the gun the Gov had taped to his side of the table. Personally, if I was rick. I woulda insta blasted him, and on the way there told daryl and herschel to pop the other two as soon as they heard the first shot. But hell, it's a TV show.
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but rick wouldn't be able to handle knowing he potentially had actions leading to the injury or death of either herschel, daryl, or even andrea. It's one thing to say 'well 1 for the safety of the entire group' but that's not rick's MO. he doesn't do that, he tries to find the best possible solution. It's why he's having so much trouble right now giving up michonne.
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That gun the Governor taped to the desk was useless in that scenario. Its not like he would have the time to pull it out, aim, and shoot. Against Rick, he would be dead in an instant. Rick should have planned an ambushed from the get-go. He really thought he could reason with a man that launched a surprise attack against his group and set walkers free on them.
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On March 23 2013 08:51 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 08:48 Conti wrote:On March 23 2013 08:35 killa_robot wrote:On March 22 2013 23:31 serum321 wrote:
To people saying Rick should have just shot the governor. You can't argue that Rick, at least when not hallucinating, is always doing whats in the best interest of the group and the group's survival. If he shoots the governer there, then daryl and herschell would have been shot and killed. And then what? The prison is most definitely going to get raided. Even though he doesn't trust the governer, Rick is stuck between a rock and a hard place and figures any slim chance of not being raided is better than pissing the ppl of woodbury off further. No they wouldn't have. The big ass door was closed, and they were the only two in the room. No one outside of there would have had any idea what happened until someone walked out. He could have shot the governor, walked out, shot the other guys during their confusion (with Daryl joining in once he starts), and have been done with it all. And no one would have heard a gunshot being fired inside the building? Or a struggle? Really? Yes they would have, hence the confusion part (what kind of struggle is involved in shooting someone on the other side of a table?). Neither Daryl nor their other guy's first reaction when hearing a gunshot, would be to kill the other guy. Assuming it'd turn into a bloodbath of Rick's side is just ignorant.
No. The first reaction of all of them would be to run into the building as fast as they could to see what happened. They would all arrive there at the same time, see a dead governor, and then start shooting at each other from a very close distance. Fun!
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Guys let's take a second to consider how amazing it would be to have the magic forest from the Walking Dead. Not only did Tyreese's (?) group randomly come out of no where to help Andrea + Milton, but Daryl and Merle also saved Rick just in the nick of time. And let's not forget the guvna', who manages to take out 15+ zombies and catch Andrea just outside of the prison...I'm sure there are other scenes involving the forest but I can't remember them right now.
tl dr- magic forests are awesome
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just enjoy the show and stop nitpicking...jezz so many zombie apocalypse survivor pros here
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On March 24 2013 06:19 urSa wrote:
Guys let's take a second to consider how amazing it would be to have the magic forest from the Walking Dead. Not only did Tyreese's (?) group randomly come out of no where to help Andrea + Milton, but Daryl and Merle also saved Rick just in the nick of time. And let's not forget the guvna', who manages to take out 15+ zombies and catch Andrea just outside of the prison...I'm sure there are other scenes involving the forest but I can't remember them right now.
tl dr- magic forests are awesome
Well, members getting caught by sneaky zombies with pillows for feet so they can bypass the thousands of leaves on the ground
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dammit merle, this episode hurt
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RIP merle :'(
Great acting by Michael Rooker, wish they would have kept him on the show longer
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episode with no andrea and barely any governor = good episode. it is known.
well, at least we got the morgan episode and this one out of the half-season. finale will probably be decent as well.
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