EPTThe plot has drifted quite a bit the last three episodes though so I hope they get back to the main drama between the two groups.
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RowdierBob
Australia13531 Posts
The plot has drifted quite a bit the last three episodes though so I hope they get back to the main drama between the two groups. | ||
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Grettin
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On March 20 2013 01:51 Grettin wrote: I like how the zombies just pop out of nowhere at times, like in the forest with Andrea. Oh well, i hope the next episode will be better. That was a suspension of disbelief thing for me, in that case. I knew there was going to be something but did you see the ground? It was covered it stuff that any human would make a ton of noise stumbling through, Andrea must be deaf or something. | ||
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Yenticha
257 Posts
On March 19 2013 22:26 serum321 wrote: In case you missed it the reason why he started smashing all those windows with the shovel was so she would have to walk on broken glass, making noise. You're not the only one, but people need to remember its just a tv show. Why didn't andrea hit the deck the instant she heard the truck the second time? Because then it'd make for a pretty dull show. How did the governor know she'd approach the prison right there so he could jump out from behind a tree? Because its a tv show. Sure the show has some inconsistencies, almost every show/movie does. These things that yall are complaing about aren't even inconsistencies. Just sit back and enjoy the show, don't try and pick apart every minute detail. I know that. Characters make mistakes, and it can lead to an interesting plot. To re-write my point differently: I am too often disappointed by how bad TWD's characters' decision making is. And I don't think it's because of my lack of tolerance. I've been enjoying Breaking Bad, the Wire, and other shows where characters have imperfect decision making, like any real person. TWD's characters are just, in my opinion, too stupid to be true (and remember, they are the "survivors", so presumably very "street smart", quick thinkers, etc). | ||
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Krohm
Canada1857 Posts
On March 20 2013 11:07 Yenticha wrote: I know that. Characters make mistakes, and it can lead to an interesting plot. To re-write my point differently: I am too often disappointed by how bad TWD's characters' decision making is. And I don't think it's because of my lack of tolerance. I've been enjoying Breaking Bad, the Wire, and other shows where characters have imperfect decision making, like any real person. TWD's characters are just, in my opinion, too stupid to be true (and remember, they are the "survivors", so presumably very "street smart", quick thinkers, etc). It might be because characters make stupid decisions in order to thicken the plot or to add more to a tense situation. Even though it's been done a lot in movies prior to the movie Prometheus I still like to call it the "Prometheus effect". Characters just do stupid things for the sake of doing it... It's stupid and shows how weak the writers are. | ||
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insectoceanx
United States331 Posts
If you think things are really unrealistic why dont you just go walk away from all your freinds and family you have ever known, and live on your own in the wilderness for a year and then come back and see how many other people agree with all the decisions you have made. | ||
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TheExile19
513 Posts
On March 20 2013 13:41 insectoceanx wrote: Lets see anyone write something, meant for tv where people act realistically. Do you know what happened when the Americans and (especially) the russians were descending on Berlin near the end of WWII. Germans of all social classes panicked, suicides were rampant, mothers killed their children with poison before killing themselves or fathers shot their entire families. Humans when put in a stressful situation act in all sorts of ways. Besides that it is a television show, not everything in it can be taken literally. If you don't like these episodes because they are not realistic you must not really like to watch anything on tv. Take for example star trek episodes, you could pick apart every single episode and find x things that contradict reality or even star trek reality. Sometimes in order to convey the emotion/situation things get exaggerated. If you think things are really unrealistic why dont you just go walk away from all your freinds and family you have ever known, and live on your own in the wilderness for a year and then come back and see how many other people agree with all the decisions you have made. couple things: - this whole post is miserably vague. I guess I understand what you're getting at, but some actual instances from the show where people often misconstrue figurative or symbolic events as literal might help a bit. just talking last episode, I can't think of one single instance outside the michonne/torture room cold open where every scene wasn't literal and on-the-nose with what's being conveyed. - in general, people aren't going to start picking at everything on a realism level until all other modes of enjoyment have been exhausted. I certainly didn't treat the show in that manner in the first half of season 3; it was when the main plot took a nosedive that I started to consider why and how the show is effective and ineffective, mostly regarding the writing but occasionally, like with the morgan episode, just the basic logistics of setting and what characters do to affect that. - saying that realistically, people are dumb and work against their best interests to create drama is indeed the blueprint for most TV drama, but the best ones (i.e. a few notable ones on the same channel...) create realistic reasoning for why characters would have (tragic) flaws. you can even see this in TWD with shane; there were very clear reasons established over 1.5 seasons for why he met his end, and this consequently establishes a clear sense of character. with andrea, suddenly in season 3 she's tasked with being the governor's patsy and unlike shane, no consistent motivation or reasoning for why anyone could be that self-deceiving and stupid is established...is she just that much of a believer in post-apocalypse government even though she just had a case study in how deceptive people can be with randall last season? therefore instead of understanding and somewhat sympathizing ala shane, we just hate, ala that stupid bitch andrea, because the groundwork was never laid for her to carry all this narrative weight. the entire season has been negatively affected by this seemingly desperate need to have someone we know in woodbury, not necessarily because it's an inherently bad idea but because there's never any reason to respect andrea's decision making. | ||
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Yenticha
257 Posts
On March 20 2013 13:41 insectoceanx wrote: Lets see anyone write something, meant for tv where people act realistically. Do you know what happened when the Americans and (especially) the russians were descending on Berlin near the end of WWII. Germans of all social classes panicked, suicides were rampant, mothers killed their children with poison before killing themselves or fathers shot their entire families. Humans when put in a stressful situation act in all sorts of ways. Besides that it is a television show, not everything in it can be taken literally. If you don't like these episodes because they are not realistic you must not really like to watch anything on tv. Take for example star trek episodes, you could pick apart every single episode and find x things that contradict reality or even star trek reality. Sometimes in order to convey the emotion/situation things get exaggerated. If you think things are really unrealistic why dont you just go walk away from all your freinds and family you have ever known, and live on your own in the wilderness for a year and then come back and see how many other people agree with all the decisions you have made. Uh... have you read what I just wrote? I said I enjoyed shows like the Wire or Breaking bad, even though they also had characters making mistakes (or things I disagreed with, whatever). That is not the point. My point is that in TWD, according to my taste, character are way to stupid. I had no problem with some characters in the Wire planting evidence, dealing drugs, shooting people, all these things I do not "agree with". Because it was a TV show, because it made sense, for these characters, to act that way. The big difference, in my opinion, is that TWD fails to build truly convincing characters. With proper and coherent character building, they could make them do a lot of stupid shit while making sense. Edit: oops, got ninja'ed by TheExile19.. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
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zbedlam
Australia549 Posts
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Rhine
187 Posts
On March 20 2013 14:37 Scarecrow wrote: My favourite part was the "meet at the truck in 5 minutes," when the truck was parked 5 meters behind them. What's wrong with this? It means they can go do whatever and prepare before meeting back for departure in 5 mins. Some people just want to join in on the negativity... | ||
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blug
Australia623 Posts
People are arguing about the realism of the show but I also see how lots of people are complaining about their being too much drama. Personally I think if they were going to make the show realistic then the people would stay coiled up behind their barricades being happy to fuck that they are alive and would only venture out for supplies. That wouldn't make for a very interesting show now would it unless of course you like drama. I think the fact that the show lacks a bit of realism actually helps it. | ||
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TheLoveGun
United States9 Posts
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On March 20 2013 14:37 Scarecrow wrote: My favourite part was the "meet at the truck in 5 minutes," when the truck was parked 5 meters behind them. Meet me at teamliquid in 5 minutes. | ||
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wardou
France54 Posts
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Windwaker
Germany1597 Posts
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1717 Posts
but i agree that this seems to be a filler to drag the season to the last 2 episodes. but i still can't wait what's going to happen to andrea. and i also agree that the governor really has the best tracking skills. it seems that the governor put a tracking device on andrea. but it's really stupid that the governor tracked and followed andrea when he should have gone directly to the area near the prison and just wait. but overall, i still think that this is more decent compared to other episodes. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1717 Posts
On March 20 2013 14:56 zbedlam wrote: All the women in this show are so retarded what the hell. The guys aren't much better either. can you put an exception to maggie? | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
Honestly what has she done? The most capable woman in this show (besides Michonne) is Andrea, and that's saying a lot. | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
On March 21 2013 11:25 Cel.erity wrote: Honestly what has she done? The most capable woman in this show (besides Michonne) is Andrea, and that's saying a lot. Maggie's a capable fighter; but then again, pretty much everyone in the show's main cast has marksmanship at the level of a Seal Team 6 soldier. Can't really compare usefulness of characters based on their marksmanship. Tyreese is the only one who has realistic aiming abilities, lol. Aside from Andrea and Michonne, Carol is developing into a good asset to the team. Once she got over Sophia, she stepped up to become the group's housekeeper while also understanding that some things just need to be done for the safety of the group (telling Andrea to kill The Governor). I think they can develop her into an Ellen Ripley type character next season (if she survives). As for last episode, I enjoyed it on it's own the same way I would enjoy a B-level slasher flick. In the grand scheme of things, worthless episode. They did not need 16 episodes... | ||
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