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frantic.cactus
New Zealand164 Posts
After it, and Maggie's stoicism in the face of the Governor, I got to think that MAYBE in the zombie Apoc context that rape had lost it's power as a tool for the intimidation of women. I mean, the group are so used to violating bodies that they could have become desensitized to stuff of that nature. Maggie had to perform a C-section on a live patient with no experience, and then killed her; so in that context rape seemed rather trivial to me. Didn't realize how much I loved Maggie until now. | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On November 26 2012 17:26 goldspoon wrote: Don't any of you think that the reason the scientist and governor are so concerned about the experiment is partly due to the governor still having hope for curing or bringing back his daughter? I havnt read the comics so this might be actual hints we will see. Brilliant observation about the character's motives. I think you just identified the Governor's motives. As for the scientist dude it seems like he's just naturally inquisitive and submissive to the Governor's will. He could probably care less out the Governor's kid specifically, he just wants to learn more and feel like he's making a difference that way because he seems likely to be utterly helpless beyond the confines of Woodbury. + Show Spoiler [Comics] + One last comment about the non-physical but still mental-rape: I'm bummed that it didn't happen the way it did in the comics not because I enjoyed Michonne being raped; rather, the payoff when Michonne got her revenge was just so cathartic afterwards it was incredible. | ||
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abominare
United States1216 Posts
On November 26 2012 17:33 p4NDemik wrote: Brilliant observation about the character's motives. I think you just identified the Governor's motives. As for the scientist dude it seems like he's just naturally inquisitive and submissive to the Governor's will. He could probably care less out the Governor's kid specifically, he just wants to learn more and feel like he's making a difference that way because he seems likely to be utterly helpless beyond the confines of Woodbury. I still think its pretty dick that andrea sat through an entire explanation about the disease from a cdc professional who had spent the last several months searching for a cure with advanced tools, and the only thing she can tell this poor lost amateur scientist guy about the disease is "dey turn to monsterzz! Additionally, I'm absolutely terrified about the brothers being reunited. No matter what happens I'm quite sure meryl dies. What I'm worried about is that he'll betray daryl and kill him out of fear from he gov, you know im some heart wrenching stab him in the middle of an embrace situation, if that happens I'm just turning off the tv and going back to complaining about the current Dexter Season. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On November 26 2012 12:14 Tachion wrote: This sounds weird to say, but I was disappointed when he didn't...follow through with Maggie from what we saw. The governor is such a devious two faced villain in the comics. The one in the show is a big softy by comparison. I feel like the one in the show is more realistic/believable though, which makes him a better villain. | ||
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BananaJunkie
Denmark119 Posts
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
On November 26 2012 17:50 BananaJunkie wrote: I just watched the first season yesterday.. wow!.. what an peic and thrilling serie!! Trust me it gets even better!  | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On November 26 2012 17:41 abominare wrote: I still think its pretty dick that andrea sat through an entire explanation about the disease from a cdc professional who had spent the last several months searching for a cure with advanced tools, and the only thing she can tell this poor lost amateur scientist guy about the disease is "dey turn to monsterzz! haahaha yeah it's pretty funny she doesn't mention that, but I find it not that unbelievable that she would think first about Amy and the others she loved that died, rather than the CDC. On November 26 2012 16:39 killa_robot wrote: I don't think Glen's feet were ever tied. Kind of bad on Merle's part, but I don't think he expected Glen to ever really try anything. I really enjoyed when he fought the walker. Well, Michonne did willingly go to the prison, which I think says a lot. We have no reason to believe that she completely trusts the group, just enough that she knows their common goal will lead them to cooperate for now. She and Andrea were also taken by force and kept against their will in Woodbury, so the two situations aren't really similar. I think no rape was fine and you're falling back a bit much on the comics there. He certainly could have raped her, and it somewhat looked like he was leading to that, but I felt it was equally likely he wouldn't. I think when Maggie sort of submitted and said he could do what he wanted, he realized there wasn't much point (besides the sex, and he already has Andrea for that). I suppose there may be an argument that he is so desensitized he feels there is no reason to rape her, but settle for a show of dominance. I just had less faith that some semblance of respect for human dignity remains within the TV version of the governor. The bead I had on him was that the only person that he truly cared about (albeit in a twisted way) is his dead daughter. He gives no shits about Andrea, she's a play thing he's using in an attempt to dull his agony or feel something in place of nothing (this much can't be denied imo). Regardless I completely agree that they did the right thing by depicting it the way they did considering it is non-pay-pay-per-view cable TV. Put this show on HBO or Showtime, I could see those involved with the show taking things to the next level though. There is precedent and it undeniably ups the ante concerning the upcoming struggle between the two camps. | ||
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seansye
United States1722 Posts
On November 26 2012 12:18 socommaster123 wrote: Mid season finales are honestly so obnoxious I hate when shows do this. Try watching shows with 8-10 episodes like Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad. Gotta wait a year for the next season. Walking Dead you only have to wait 3-4 months =) | ||
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betamale
633 Posts
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Xanbatou
United States805 Posts
Does this show just not follow the traditional model for zombies? | ||
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simmeh
Canada2511 Posts
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BliptiX
Canada324 Posts
On November 26 2012 18:29 Xanbatou wrote: Why would a zombie, even a child zombie, ever pick up a stuffed animal? It doesn't make any sense. I forgot about that scene but its convenient that you reminded me as it somewhat ties into the last episode quite well. | ||
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MVega
763 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + The part where the governor acted like he was going to rape Maggie was highly disturbing. Doesn't matter that the zombie apocalypse happened, that's still disturbing. Hopefully nobody is happy about getting to see her in her bra given the context. I liked the character of the governor up until that point. Glen is one tough guy, fighting that zombie while tied to a chair and coming out shaken but uninjured. Well aside from his injuries from the beating of course. Half looking forward to and half dreading when the brothers are united. On November 26 2012 18:29 Xanbatou wrote: So I started watching this show and I don't understand why people rep it so much. I started with the pilot episode and 5 minutes in, I had to turn it off and stop watching. Why would a zombie, even a child zombie, ever pick up a stuffed animal? It doesn't make any sense. Does this show just not follow the traditional model for zombies? The traditional model for zombies is actually quite flexible. This is far from the first zombie story that involves zombies picking things up or picking things up that were relevant while they were alive. | ||
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abominare
United States1216 Posts
On November 26 2012 18:29 Xanbatou wrote: So I started watching this show and I don't understand why people rep it so much. I started with the pilot episode and 5 minutes in, I had to turn it off and stop watching. Why would a zombie, even a child zombie, ever pick up a stuffed animal? It doesn't make any sense. Does this show just not follow the traditional model for zombies? Depends on what your "traditional model" is. If your talking about the pre cinema model, then yea sure its all boring brains and being a voodoo creation. However, most people, at least those old enough, will hold the Romero Era as the traditional zombie standing point. Part of the Romero archetype is that zombies will often echo their past life, this serves an important purpose. You see you can't really ever successfully fully humanize a zombie because it'll detract the audience from the gratuitous violence. However, as complete monsters you are ultimately left with boring scenes of killing wave after wave of biting things. Having them echo, like say a child picking a doll, or the guy's wife in the first season always coming back to where her husband is staying adds a subtle layer of tragedy from all of this, with out the audience really having to face a conscious level of feeling bad about just mowing down hordes of these people. This show has always followed the Romero archetype heavily. While it does adopt the more modern approach of having the origin being a virus made made or otherwise, they hold on to the notion of turning after death despite no bites or scratches. Which is something very rare in today's world of zombies. Besides the hints of zombie echoing life, we are also treated to a return of purely slow moving zombie horde that can be both avoided and picked apart. Even from a directing standpoint the violence scenes scream of Romero styled kills with the same heavy prosthetic use that made his original films so memorable. So yes, I would consider nearly of TWD's zombie interactions to pretty heavily follow the traditional zombie model. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On November 26 2012 18:29 Xanbatou wrote: So I started watching this show and I don't understand why people rep it so much. I started with the pilot episode and 5 minutes in, I had to turn it off and stop watching. Why would a zombie, even a child zombie, ever pick up a stuffed animal? It doesn't make any sense. Does this show just not follow the traditional model for zombies? Okay, as friendly as possible. After 5 minutes you don't understand why people rep it so much? You turned it off because you found 1 scene funny / not fitting and you just assume that the rest is not going to be good as well. Sorry to say, but stick to your very strange rating-system and miss 80% of good movies and series. lol | ||
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rivurivurivurivu
Sweden140 Posts
also why it the zombies must be so retarded ? (can i say retarded?) WTB a zombie movie with smart zombies, that use guns, drive cars and talk to you and trick you. | ||
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simmeh
Canada2511 Posts
crazy running mofos | ||
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abominare
United States1216 Posts
On November 26 2012 18:57 rivurivurivurivu wrote: i just saw the first episode of the first season and i must said it was meh. I want to ask if it gets better, if its just the classic omg zombies are eating the living or does it have someting more (not drama, love, etc) also why it the zombies must be so retarded ? (can i say retarded?) WTB a zombie movie with smart zombies, that use guns, drive cars and talk to you and trick you. While I and many others will always hold the original handful of Romero zombie movies up on a gem encrusted gold pedestal, his recent work has been lackluster if not outright bleh, and actually in his most recent (Land of the Dead) movie toyed around with having an alpha type zombie begin to figure basic motor skills and were treated to an amusing scene involving a little and highly limited because its still a mostly dumb corpse table turning. | ||
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ETisME
12812 Posts
On November 26 2012 17:33 p4NDemik wrote: Brilliant observation about the character's motives. I think you just identified the Governor's motives. As for the scientist dude it seems like he's just naturally inquisitive and submissive to the Governor's will. He could probably care less out the Governor's kid specifically, he just wants to learn more and feel like he's making a difference that way because he seems likely to be utterly helpless beyond the confines of Woodbury. + Show Spoiler [Comics] + One last comment about the non-physical but still mental-rape: I'm bummed that it didn't happen the way it did in the comics not because I enjoyed Michonne being raped; rather, the payoff when Michonne got her revenge was just so cathartic afterwards it was incredible. while I do also agree that's his main motive but seeing from his actions, such as + Show Spoiler + killing off humans for supply; his control over the people; his dream to be a hero; the wrestling show with zombies; his interest in how to "use" zombies" I think it's quite likely he wants to use the experiment as a way to control the city | ||
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Handicap
24 Posts
On November 26 2012 18:58 simmeh wrote: i like the 28 days later zombies (if you want to call them that) crazy running mofos Infected | ||
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