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socommaster123
United States578 Posts
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
I wouldn't even care if he was the "smart guy who knows more than the town but has to follow the orders of the powerful violent people", because even though that is generic it's fine. But instead he is just hurr durring around with "the patient retains part of his personality!" he's not emotionally invested in something (like loss of family or that was his family going to die), he's not desperate/lost all hope overall, he's not stupid, so what the fuck is he doing. And what the fuck does he contribute to the show. | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
On November 26 2012 12:31 N.geNuity wrote: I don't follow what the "scientist"/nerd/reserved guy actually is doing or why he is even in the show at all. I wouldn't even care if he was the "smart guy who knows more than the town but has to follow the orders of the powerful violent people", because even though that is generic it's fine. But instead he is just hurr durring around with "the patient retains part of his personality!" he's not emotionally invested in something (like loss of family or that was his family going to die), he's not desperate/lost all hope overall, he's not stupid, so what the fuck is he doing. And what the fuck does he contribute to the show. It seems that he wants to find a "cure," although there are none, I guess he's hoping for some sort of consciousness in the walkers. | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On November 26 2012 12:31 N.geNuity wrote: I don't follow what the "scientist"/nerd/reserved guy actually is doing or why he is even in the show at all. I wouldn't even care if he was the "smart guy who knows more than the town but has to follow the orders of the powerful violent people", because even though that is generic it's fine. But instead he is just hurr durring around with "the patient retains part of his personality!" he's not emotionally invested in something (like loss of family or that was his family going to die), he's not desperate/lost all hope overall, he's not stupid, so what the fuck is he doing. And what the fuck does he contribute to the show. As of yet, he serves to be an example of how naive a lot of the people in Woodbury are, the governor included. They've been sheltered for some time now, and they don't know a lot of the things that Rick's group does. Everyone in Rick's group learned what this guy learned in like episode 4 of season 1 (nearly a year ago I think in TWD-time). If this guy is the most intellectually capable amongst them all, that says something. The governor's group has the numbers and weaponry advantage, but they are at an immense disadvantage when it comes to understanding the world around them. Now, that is his function as far as I can tell. That doesn't necessarily make him a good or compelling character though, which I think is where your dissatisfaction lies with him. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
Perhaps the show was trying to remake him into a bad guy since he was becoming really like-able. I think his kidnap of Glen and Maggie was enough in that direction though. Having him kill a henchman just made him look like a loser... like he felt threatened by some kid who had been freaking out just a few minutes earlier. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
Only reason I can think of him not doing anything more to Maggie is because he has feelings for Andrea now and that would be cheating obv. | ||
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
On November 26 2012 14:03 Zooper31 wrote: Thank fucking god he didn't do anything to Maggie, don't think I could've watched that go down. Only reason I can think of him not doing anything more to Maggie is because he has feelings for Andrea now and that would be cheating obv. The only reason I can think of anything is because its on TV and they didn't want it to be that gruesome. I would not have been able to watch...that happen to maggie. I woulda just muted the volume and walked away, I hate shit like that. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
On November 26 2012 14:28 Kamikiri wrote: The only reason I can think of anything is because its on TV and they didn't want it to be that gruesome. I would not have been able to watch...that happen to maggie. I woulda just muted the volume and walked away, I hate shit like that. I was cringing hardcore waiting for this moment + Show Spoiler + because I what he does to Michonne in the comics. Comics stuff. | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
It all happened so quick, I didn't see how Glenn's feet were freed though nor do I recall in what method they were restrained. Was his leg taped to the chair leg initially? Something about this didn't sit right with me after the scene was over, but I'm guessing I just missed something. Regardless, the scene was still thrilling. Maggie's torture I'm a bit torn on. This directly relates to the comic though so I'll expand within the spoiler. + Show Spoiler [Comic Talk] + This scene seems to be the obvious stand-in for Michonne's rape scene in the comics. Having Maggie as the victim here is readily understandable, so I have no problems with it not being Michonne in that room as it simply wouldn't make sense considering how the season has played out up until now. Now, I'm torn about the show chickening out in a sense. As an adult who is prepared for adult content, who has seen rape scenes in shows like The Sopranos and Mad Men (I think? Not positive if the sexual encounter I'm remembering was or not, I just remember the guy being a complete fucking douchenozzle) I feel the most likely course of events would have included the Governor raping Maggie. So I'm a bit annoyed at what happened from the standpoint TWD producing material that feels real. That said, the realist in me likes the compromise they reached here. The audience is not entirely mature enough to watch that kind of a scene. There was still an element of psychological rape to what the governor did. The repugnant nature of the act is not lessened by not taking it to its logical conclusion. They did the responsible thing here even if it isn't the most artistically honest thing. Those two scenes were the most gripping parts of the show. Its a bit of a shame that TWD producers didn't intensify the effect on the audience by leaving Glenn and Maggie's fates in the balance longer. I.E. they did the right thing by opening up the episode with Glenn's torture. I would have had the Governor involved with it sooner, and had him walk into the room with Maggie, then cut scene before the episode continued at the prison. Let the viewer's imagination run wild for 30 or 40 minutes before closing with Maggie's interrogation and then the combined interrogation. Instead they chose to accelerate things a bit too fast in the prison, which threw things off, considering they had decided to close with the preparation of the infiltration. I really didn't like this. While the show has plodded along too slow in the past, they completely hurtled all the issues with trust surrounding Michonne and Rick's group. Michonne no doubt heard stories about all these people from Andrea, but it isn't in her nature to trust them so quickly. We're to believe the same woman that bitched and moaned for episodes about Woodbury and the Governor will lead an attack/infiltration alongside prison survivors so quickly? I don't know it just didn't sit right with me. That's about it. Overall a solid episode. If nothing else I think everyone can say with conviction that this season is much stronger thus far than season two was at this point. Probably hasn't improved enough to receive award nominations or anything, but I can say I don't think they are totally screwing up this arc of the story. It's different thus far but its still good. Looking forward to next week. p.s. Don't know where to inject this into the above commentary so I'll leave this here. I'm digging the blood is thicker than water angle they have going with Daryl and Merle right now. Brings a whole new dynamic to this story that the comic never had. The Governor questioning Merle's loyalty was pretty cool, though not delivered how I imagined. Will either brother defect? Will they betray those they've lived with through all the trauma in TWD's world? I can't wait to find out. Merle was a real cunt back in season one, not a favorite character of mine, but he's very useful right now to further enhance the intrigue around Daryl so for that I thank him. | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On November 26 2012 14:28 Kamikiri wrote: The only reason I can think of anything is because its on TV and they didn't want it to be that gruesome. I would not have been able to watch...that happen to maggie. I woulda just muted the volume and walked away, I hate shit like that. This is exactly it. We've seen the governor display how demented he can be already. If he is willing to torture a woman in such a despicable fashion it logically follows that he would go all the way so to speak. He's attracted to Andrea, but I sense no real bond he feels for her. Its like he is trying desperately to feel something but he can't. Andrea may be enthralled with him and would be monogamous, but the feeling isn't mutual. Props to David Morrissey in this respect. The writing isn't necessarily the best for his character, but I feel like he's acted his part very well. He does a remarkable job of playing a character who is in many respects lying and acting just about every time he is on screen. This sort of meta-acting, portraying the Governor as just satisfied enough to placate Andrea, but seemingly empty underneath at the same time, has to be incredibly difficult. He is killing it this season imo. Sadly the same can't be said about many other actors, namely Andrew Lincoln. I'm starting to get disgusted at how overacted and phony he is sounding at times. When Hershel asked if Michonne was bitten and he responded "GYUNSHYOT" I was just ... blech. His accent seemed understated enough and properly executed during the relatively easy times, but now that Rick is forced into more emotionally challenging places you can really tell he's a British actor playing a Kentucky cop. It's probably only ruined for me since I live so close to the character's origins, but I feel like he hasn't been able to step up his game at key points. edit: To be clear, I think Andrew Lincoln is a solid actor, its just he has more challenging material to tackle this season and I don't think he was up to it. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On November 26 2012 12:05 LoLAdriankat wrote: Oh god, I don't think I'm ready to see a main character die. I think thats why they brought a black dude to raid the town... | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On November 26 2012 14:50 p4NDemik wrote: It's probably only ruined for me since I live so close to the character's origins, but I feel like he hasn't been able to step up his game at key points. edit: To be clear, I think Andrew Lincoln is a solid actor, its just he has more challenging material to tackle this season and I don't think he was up to it. As someone who doesn't live near the character's origins, I think Rick has been really great this season. I can't tell what's authentic and what's not about his accent so I just assume it's all authentic ;p | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
On November 26 2012 15:13 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: I think thats why they brought a black dude to raid the town... Did you see Michonne giving him some looks? I swear she wants that lol. | ||
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Shivaz
Canada1783 Posts
On November 26 2012 15:13 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: I think thats why they brought a black dude to raid the town... Lol this is so true i kept thinking when the token black guy is gonna die | ||
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Krohm
Canada1857 Posts
On November 26 2012 15:13 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: I think thats why they brought a black dude to raid the town... Oh my god I can't stop laughing at this. Anyway I thought it was an alright episode, I want to see the next one quite badly, I can't wait. I agree with the hate surrounding the scientist guy's story. It feels like it's just filler material at this point. I guess we'll have to wait and see where it goes, if it goes anywhere. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On November 26 2012 14:37 p4NDemik wrote: This episode was great in a lot of ways imo, but also had some very annoying pitfalls. I thought the torture scene between Merle and Glenn was good on a whole. The dialogue in the actual interrogation was kind of meh, but the zombie-torture and ensuing fight was a pretty entertaining scenario. The characters in this show haven't faced such dire circumstances against biters since Merle was handcuffed in season one, and its scenes like this that really put a charge into me as a viewer, seeing the human spirit fight bitterly for survival. Having a gun/crossbow and large melee weapons while completely unrestrained when fighting zombies has gotten pretty stale (and the show has relied too much upon this type of combat imo). Its good to see this type of near-hopeless scenario make a return. It all happened so quick, I didn't see how Glenn's feet were freed though nor do I recall in what method they were restrained. Was his leg taped to the chair leg initially? Something about this didn't sit right with me after the scene was over, but I'm guessing I just missed something. Regardless, the scene was still thrilling. Maggie's torture I'm a bit torn on. This directly relates to the comic though so I'll expand within the spoiler. + Show Spoiler [Comic Talk] + This scene seems to be the obvious stand-in for Michonne's rape scene in the comics. Having Maggie as the victim here is readily understandable, so I have no problems with it not being Michonne in that room as it simply wouldn't make sense considering how the season has played out up until now. Now, I'm torn about the show chickening out in a sense. As an adult who is prepared for adult content, who has seen rape scenes in shows like The Sopranos and Mad Men (I think? Not positive if the sexual encounter I'm remembering was or not, I just remember the guy being a complete fucking douchenozzle) I feel the most likely course of events would have included the Governor raping Maggie. So I'm a bit annoyed at what happened from the standpoint TWD producing material that feels real. That said, the realist in me likes the compromise they reached here. The audience is not entirely mature enough to watch that kind of a scene. There was still an element of psychological rape to what the governor did. The repugnant nature of the act is not lessened by not taking it to its logical conclusion. They did the responsible thing here even if it isn't the most artistically honest thing. Those two scenes were the most gripping parts of the show. Its a bit of a shame that TWD producers didn't intensify the effect on the audience by leaving Glenn and Maggie's fates in the balance longer. I.E. they did the right thing by opening up the episode with Glenn's torture. I would have had the Governor involved with it sooner, and had him walk into the room with Maggie, then cut scene before the episode continued at the prison. Let the viewer's imagination run wild for 30 or 40 minutes before closing with Maggie's interrogation and then the combined interrogation. Instead they chose to accelerate things a bit too fast in the prison, which threw things off, considering they had decided to close with the preparation of the infiltration. I really didn't like this. While the show has plodded along too slow in the past, they completely hurtled all the issues with trust surrounding Michonne and Rick's group. Michonne no doubt heard stories about all these people from Andrea, but it isn't in her nature to trust them so quickly. We're to believe the same woman that bitched and moaned for episodes about Woodbury and the Governor will lead an attack/infiltration alongside prison survivors so quickly? I don't know it just didn't sit right with me. That's about it. Overall a solid episode. If nothing else I think everyone can say with conviction that this season is much stronger thus far than season two was at this point. Probably hasn't improved enough to receive award nominations or anything, but I can say I don't think they are totally screwing up this arc of the story. It's different thus far but its still good. Looking forward to next week. p.s. Don't know where to inject this into the above commentary so I'll leave this here. I'm digging the blood is thicker than water angle they have going with Daryl and Merle right now. Brings a whole new dynamic to this story that the comic never had. The Governor questioning Merle's loyalty was pretty cool, though not delivered how I imagined. Will either brother defect? Will they betray those they've lived with through all the trauma in TWD's world? I can't wait to find out. Merle was a real cunt back in season one, not a favorite character of mine, but he's very useful right now to further enhance the intrigue around Daryl so for that I thank him. I don't think Glen's feet were ever tied. Kind of bad on Merle's part, but I don't think he expected Glen to ever really try anything. I really enjoyed when he fought the walker. Well, Michonne did willingly go to the prison, which I think says a lot. We have no reason to believe that she completely trusts the group, just enough that she knows their common goal will lead them to cooperate for now. She and Andrea were also taken by force and kept against their will in Woodbury, so the two situations aren't really similar. I think no rape was fine and you're falling back a bit much on the comics there. He certainly could have raped her, and it somewhat looked like he was leading to that, but I felt it was equally likely he wouldn't. I think when Maggie sort of submitted and said he could do what he wanted, he realized there wasn't much point (besides the sex, and he already has Andrea for that). | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
On November 26 2012 15:13 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: I think thats why they brought a black dude to raid the town... Michonne did just join the group. There can only be one. | ||
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goldspoon
Canada112 Posts
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Agnosthar
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