EPTOn a side note though; the bitching in this thread is getting worse and worse. It's like we have a bunch of Lori's posting here.
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FeUerFlieGe
United States1193 Posts
On a side note though; the bitching in this thread is getting worse and worse. It's like we have a bunch of Lori's posting here. | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
On November 22 2012 12:31 FeUerFlieGe wrote: Very excited for the rest of the season! On a side note though; the bitching in this thread is getting worse and worse. It's like we have a bunch of Lori's posting here. You get used to it after awhile. I have. lol | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
The big beef I have with the show at this point is the stupid event with Lori's pregnancy— The fact they wouldn't organize better to stay together/defend/protect, the fact that she happened to give labor at that time, the fact she couldn't wait a little bit longer, the fact that there were complications resulting in having to give her a C-section, the fact that they knew/assumed a C-section would kill her (I'm wondering why), the fact that they chose to kill her to save a baby instead of her, and the fact that she did die (well at least that she was killed, they didn't even show them check her damn pulse). All those events happening the way they did are at least one in a million. Sure many of the things are very possible, and TV shows are all about interesting an unlikely things happening, but for a show that's trying to be real, this was absolutely absurd. A baby has a terrible chance of survival without it's mother in this sort of environment, and even with a mother it's still a huge liability to the group. While it may be harsh, the fact is babies can be remade. Considering the terrible situation they're in and even the possibility that it's not Rick's child it makes even more sense that she should have taken abortion pills when she had the chance, or that someone didn't try to save Lori's life by chopping up the baby. Aside from that, I thought the whole Rick on the phone thing was stupid too (but not dreadful). I don't know how to describe it aside from the fact that someone's got to be pretty damn hallucinogenic to experience something like that — without drugs, I don't think even the craziest people in history have had hallucinations which are that strong. A beautiful mind had some really strong hallucinations, but as far as I remember, it was nothing like this (and it was obviously far more gradual). This is just ranting about realism some more, but I haven't heard of cases where emotional trauma causes illusions like this,; sure it can do some nasty stuff, but not this. For other seasons, I remember Dale's death was really stupid too, but obviously that was long ago. | ||
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Amalaxi
United States180 Posts
On November 22 2012 13:40 Xapti wrote: I don't have much issues with this season, but I do have 2 issues: The big beef I have with the show at this point is the stupid event with Lori's pregnancy— The fact they wouldn't organize better to stay together/defend/protect, the fact that she happened to give labor at that time, the fact she couldn't wait a little bit longer, the fact that there were complications resulting in having to give her a C-section, the fact that they knew/assumed a C-section would kill her (I'm wondering why), the fact that they chose to kill her to save a baby instead of her, and the fact that she did die (well at least that she was killed, they didn't even show them check her damn pulse). All those events happening the way they did are at least one in a million. Sure many of the things are very possible, and TV shows are all about interesting an unlikely things happening, but for a show that's trying to be real, this was absolutely absurd. A baby has a terrible chance of survival without it's mother in this sort of environment, and even with a mother it's still a huge liability to the group. While it may be harsh, the fact is babies can be remade. Considering the terrible situation they're in and even the possibility that it's not Rick's child it makes even more sense that she should have taken abortion pills when she had the chance, or that someone didn't try to save Lori's life by chopping up the baby. Aside from that, I thought the whole Rick on the phone thing was stupid too (but not dreadful). I don't know how to describe it aside from the fact that someone's got to be pretty damn hallucinogenic to experience something like that — without drugs, I don't think even the craziest people in history have had hallucinations which are that strong. A beautiful mind had some really strong hallucinations, but as far as I remember, it was nothing like this (and it was obviously far more gradual). This is just ranting about realism some more, but I haven't heard of cases where emotional trauma causes illusions like this,; sure it can do some nasty stuff, but not this. For other seasons, I remember Dale's death was really stupid too, but obviously that was long ago. Too many hypothetical statements. Its a TV show about killing zombies, stop expecting real life in a fucking show, the reason why they did what they did was to get everyone connected to the characters and emotionally fuck you, it was one of the best episodes of a TV show I have ever seen. | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
On November 22 2012 14:17 Amalaxi wrote: Too many hypothetical statements. Its a TV show about killing zombies, stop expecting real life in a fucking show, the reason why they did what they did was to get everyone connected to the characters and emotionally fuck you, it was one of the best episodes of a TV show I have ever seen. i guess you haven't watched many tv shows huh | ||
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matiK23
United States963 Posts
On November 22 2012 11:09 Zealotdriver wrote: Maggie is only fucking Glenn until she finds someone better. She pretty much said so in the pharmacy IIRC. You act like people can't grow on each other. They went from casual hooking up to saying "I loves you's". | ||
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yorkey
England69 Posts
This is only a guess. But i'm starting to think the governor has a link to the prison. The lines in the book he draws quite often is the behavour of someone counting down the days in prison (often writen on walls). I think he was in prison for something and this 'camp' he has put together is like him rebeling against being locked up for so long, he is now doing what he felt was done to him to these other people who are just trying to survive. No one is really free to go and when they do it seems they are hunted down and killed. If this is the case i'm wondering if he was the reason people were still locked up in there and trapped. It's possible he worked there, but i think thats not as exciting  but if he did perhaps he did a runner locking the prisoners in to give him time to get out. I think this is why they kept a few prisoners alive in the series as they will show him for who he is once the two groups meet(which im sure we all expect). My second prediction is that daryl will kill merle, as merle will try and force daryl into something he feels is wrong and a fight will break out and merle will get killed. They have become the chalk and cheese of each other, so they both won't live and i think it's easier to kill off the bad guy | ||
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
On November 22 2012 13:40 Xapti wrote: I don't have much issues with this season, but I do have 2 issues: The big beef I have with the show at this point is the stupid event with Lori's pregnancy— The fact they wouldn't organize better to stay together/defend/protect, the fact that she happened to give labor at that time, the fact she couldn't wait a little bit longer, the fact that there were complications resulting in having to give her a C-section, the fact that they knew/assumed a C-section would kill her (I'm wondering why), the fact that they chose to kill her to save a baby instead of her, and the fact that she did die (well at least that she was killed, they didn't even show them check her damn pulse). All those events happening the way they did are at least one in a million. Sure many of the things are very possible, and TV shows are all about interesting an unlikely things happening, but for a show that's trying to be real, this was absolutely absurd. A baby has a terrible chance of survival without it's mother in this sort of environment, and even with a mother it's still a huge liability to the group. While it may be harsh, the fact is babies can be remade. Considering the terrible situation they're in and even the possibility that it's not Rick's child it makes even more sense that she should have taken abortion pills when she had the chance, or that someone didn't try to save Lori's life by chopping up the baby. Aside from that, I thought the whole Rick on the phone thing was stupid too (but not dreadful). I don't know how to describe it aside from the fact that someone's got to be pretty damn hallucinogenic to experience something like that — without drugs, I don't think even the craziest people in history have had hallucinations which are that strong. A beautiful mind had some really strong hallucinations, but as far as I remember, it was nothing like this (and it was obviously far more gradual). This is just ranting about realism some more, but I haven't heard of cases where emotional trauma causes illusions like this,; sure it can do some nasty stuff, but not this. For other seasons, I remember Dale's death was really stupid too, but obviously that was long ago. The amount of bitching that goes on in this thread over a show that I and a very large bunch of people think is excellent television astounds me. I mean complaining how it was 'unrealistic' how they knew Lori was going to die from a make-shift c-section. Lol? Is it really so hard to believe a woman (presumably pretty far from good health considering how terrible their diets must be) is going to die after somebody cuts open her stomach with a dirty knife and removes a baby? They aren't in a god damn hospital you know... And if you watched the episode closely you would know that the reason they were all split up was because the knew they had cleared that entire area of the prison and had it locked down. Its not like they were expecting that inmate to bust open all the locks and purposely lure all the zombies in... And the reason they all got separated was because they were in different sections of the prison doing different things. And lol 'wait a little longer' I guess you are an expert on women giving birth right? And 'its still a huge liability to the group'- and? What did you expect, them to hold a vote on whether they should execute Rick's new born baby? Get real mate Edit: when she was has having the c-section she pointed to cut along the scar from the previous c-section (from her previous pregnancy). So it's likely she knew from the start she would need one. | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
It's the combination of everything occurring which was so terribly unlikely. Morality from birth is quite low even in the poorest and uneducated parts of the world. particularly the ultimate event/choice that doesn't really have to do with realism: the fact that she'd rather have her baby live than her. Regardless of the realism issues, I still thought the scenes weren't good. | ||
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FatChunk
Canada93 Posts
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On November 23 2012 05:39 FatChunk wrote: I have a question/comment: why do you guys think that she could have lived if she chose not to have the baby? She needed a c-section and to me (im not a doctor) it seems like she was going to die anyway if she couldnt deliver vaginally. Can someone clarify? This exactly. Explain to me how someone lives after having their stomach violently ripped open. They have no medical supplies at all from rags and ties. She would need massive amounts of stiching and a ton of blood tranfusions. This isn't even close to someones leg being chopped off as with Hershel, they could at least do a tourniquet and stop some of the blood loss. | ||
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Vesimias
Finland135 Posts
On November 23 2012 05:35 Xapti wrote: I'm not saying some of the things aren't easily possible; It's obviously common for pregnancies to happen quite suddenly. Thing is, it's also more common for labors to be delayed quite a bit. It's the combination of everything occurring which was so terribly unlikely. Morality from birth is quite low even in the poorest and uneducated parts of the world. particularly the ultimate event/choice that doesn't really have to do with realism: the fact that she'd rather have her baby live than her. Regardless of the realism issues, I still thought the scenes weren't good. Now you're forgetting the fact that they have no means of properly delay the labor. That can be done in a hospital maybe, but in a prison with no medical supplies it's hopeless. You can compare this to the labors that happen in cars, why don't you just delay them too? Because you can't that's why, this situations is just worse, since she needed a c-section. And of course she would want her child to live, since she knew she had no chances to survive, might as well try to save the baby. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On November 22 2012 13:40 Xapti wrote: I don't have much issues with this season, but I do have 2 issues: The big beef I have with the show at this point is the stupid event with Lori's pregnancy— The fact they wouldn't organize better to stay together/defend/protect, the fact that she happened to give labor at that time, the fact she couldn't wait a little bit longer, the fact that there were complications resulting in having to give her a C-section, the fact that they knew/assumed a C-section would kill her (I'm wondering why), the fact that they chose to kill her to save a baby instead of her, and the fact that she did die (well at least that she was killed, they didn't even show them check her damn pulse). All those events happening the way they did are at least one in a million. Sure many of the things are very possible, and TV shows are all about interesting an unlikely things happening, but for a show that's trying to be real, this was absolutely absurd. A baby has a terrible chance of survival without it's mother in this sort of environment, and even with a mother it's still a huge liability to the group. While it may be harsh, the fact is babies can be remade. Considering the terrible situation they're in and even the possibility that it's not Rick's child it makes even more sense that she should have taken abortion pills when she had the chance, or that someone didn't try to save Lori's life by chopping up the baby. Aside from that, I thought the whole Rick on the phone thing was stupid too (but not dreadful). I don't know how to describe it aside from the fact that someone's got to be pretty damn hallucinogenic to experience something like that — without drugs, I don't think even the craziest people in history have had hallucinations which are that strong. A beautiful mind had some really strong hallucinations, but as far as I remember, it was nothing like this (and it was obviously far more gradual). This is just ranting about realism some more, but I haven't heard of cases where emotional trauma causes illusions like this,; sure it can do some nasty stuff, but not this. For other seasons, I remember Dale's death was really stupid too, but obviously that was long ago. How can you stay organized against someone intentionally sabotaging and compromising your security measures? Especially when all threats to their safety had been dealt with (or so they thought at least). There was no way those gates would ever open unless someone worked against them. I don't understand why you think she could "wait a bit longer". When a baby is coming,its coming. Also, with 0 medical supplies on hand and no way to control her blood loss, of course she was going to die. Why would you even check if she lived? There is no way a cut into your body like a c-section (especially when performed by a non-surgeon or even any kind of medical practitioner) would allow you to live with the amount of blood loss you would experience. The Rick hearing things with the phone I can understand. Personally, I thought it was an excellent element to explore, but I see where you are coming from. | ||
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necmon
194 Posts
... unless the c-section is performed by Morgan Freeman with a big, curved sword, then it works and everyone survives! (as seen in Kevin Costner's Robin Hood, hehe) | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13287 Posts
The stupidity in this thread is reaching an all time high. Stupid Lori for not holding in her pregnancy a little longer! What a noob!  | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On November 23 2012 18:08 necmon wrote: You are probably right about surviving a C-section under these circumstances... ... unless the c-section is performed by Morgan Freeman with a big, curved sword, then it works and everyone survives! (as seen in Kevin Costner's Robin Hood, hehe) If Morgan Freeman were involved in this show, he would simply persuade all the zombies to leave humans alone. He has a way with words, after all. | ||
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LovE-
United States1963 Posts
On November 23 2012 19:33 RowdierBob wrote: So we're all doctors now? The stupidity in this thread is reaching an all time high. Stupid Lori for not holding in her pregnancy a little longer! What a noob! I no longer come to this thread when the episode first comes out and now I am beginning to regret coming here almost a week later. It never ends -_- | ||
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
On November 23 2012 05:46 Zooper31 wrote: This exactly. Explain to me how someone lives after having their stomach violently ripped open. They have no medical supplies at all from rags and ties. She would need massive amounts of stiching and a ton of blood tranfusions. This isn't even close to someones leg being chopped off as with Hershel, they could at least do a tourniquet and stop some of the blood loss. Why the fuck would someone cut open the stomach to perform a C-section? Protip: Babies are in the uterus, not the stomach (unless you're a zombie who has eaten a baby). | ||
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CrimsonLotus
Colombia1123 Posts
On November 24 2012 03:53 Zealotdriver wrote: Why the fuck would someone cut open the stomach to perform a C-section? Protip: Babies are in the uterus, not the stomach (unless you're a zombie who has eaten a baby). It was c-section performed by someone with 0 medical knowledge and in terrible conditions. She either dies of blood loss or of a massive infection. | ||
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
On November 24 2012 03:59 CrimsonLotus wrote: It was c-section performed by someone with 0 medical knowledge and in terrible conditions. She either dies of blood loss or of a massive infection. Regardless of medical knowledge, it's not difficult to tell the difference between the stomach and fully developed fetus inside a uterus. I'm not saying she wouldn't have blood loss or infection, but cutting the stomach is neither required nor likely unless the person doing it is as braindead as the zombies pursuing them. | ||
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