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Hyrule19232 Posts
On March 20 2012 03:03 blug wrote:
I'm a bit confused
On March 20 2012 03:03 blug wrote:
zombies
On March 20 2012 03:03 blug wrote:
unrealistic
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Come on. Really? Stop nit picking.
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From what I can gather about the zombie virus through educated guesses, logical deduction, and reading on other zombie stories, the virus may work something like this:
The virus infects everyone, living or dead. In living organisms, it lies dormant until the immune system is comprimised somehow, at which point it kills the infected victim through fever. Because of the amount of electric brain activity present in living organisms, the virus cannot control the mind of a creature until all present brain activity has nearly stopped. Once the pathogen carrier dies, the virus assumes control of the mind, rebooting it and controlling the body by sending out seemingly random electric signals through existing brain channels to the limbs and muscles to make the zombie move (hence the zombie twitchy movements... the electrical signals are coordinated enough to shuffle and maintain balance on two feet, and perform rudimentary reactive actions based on sensory input, but it's not controlled sentient action). In a nutshell, you end up with a corpse being played like a marionette, where electrical signals from the brain to the muscles acting as the "strings", so to speak. This may explain why we aren't seeing a lot of zombie cows and dogs and such; odds are the virus genetic code evolved these electrical signals specific to human anatomy. A zombified animal would probably just end up in a crumpled heap twitching randomly.
Because zombies are dead corpses with no circulatory or resiratory needs, they do not need to feed per se. Their behaviour to hunt down living things relentlessly is probably an evolutionary trait left over from an earlier version of the virus in order to spread itself (we do not know how it spreads now, because everyone is infected, it may have evolved to be air or waterborne). Bites from zombies also allow the immune system of the attack victim to become comprimised (rotting teeth cause other infections too), causing the dormant virus to kill it's host with fever. Eating likewise may have been a previous trait left by an earlier zombie virus... perhaps one that didn't kill it's host and was more like rabies than a zombie virus.
As far as zombies dying from not eating; I'm pretty sure that would be false. Zombies don't need to eat... instead they will gradually rot away as their tissue is not technically alive (ie. bloodflow). Zombie books generally advise you to wait out a zombie apocalypse, as the corpses will just dissolve into rotten mush at slightly less than the rate of normal decay.
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On March 20 2012 03:11 Radioman wrote:
Sentenal she's just upset Carl had to kill him. Shes trying to find someone to blame. Rick let his guard down. I mean it all stems down from her not being able to keep an eye on him but I'd probably be mad if I was in Lori's position. Shane was like a father to Carl for several months? I'm not sure how long Rick was in a coma.
EDIT: Lol at blug. Must feel like winning the lotto.
Carl didn't kill him, though. Rick killed him, Carl just had to put him down when he reanimated. Well I guess thats sorta nit-picking. Anyway, it still doesn't make sense and is completely irrational, and makes Lori's character look really bad. If their purpose is to make me hate Lori, they are doing a good job.
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On March 20 2012 03:11 Blisse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 01:55 wo1fwood wrote:hmmm... after this episode I'm actually debating if I should continue to watch. Some of it seemed rather, well forced. Scratch that, a lot of it seemed forced. Like why the walkers were migrating in the first place (GET TO THE CHOPPAHH!)? How about the zombies casually limping towards Hershel in such a convenient manner that he gets to stay alive (forgot how to run huh)? Next the death of Hershel's daughter, whats her name  Patricia, as all of a sudden a ninja zombie jumps her at the most convenient time, and BAM, we have some drama (oh wait you were laughing at that? :/). Also, why is Laurie upset that Shane got killed by Rick based on her past behavior?? I'm reeaally trying to just sit and enjoy this show without over-analyzing, but jesus they're making it hard for me. Sorry that was a little harsher than I normally try to be  Also, lol First season was a joke. Zombies were running and using rocks. That doesn't happen, ever. And I'm glad that hasn't made a reappearance in the second season. And "GET TO THE CHOPPAHH!" wtf ? It's perfectly possible to stand there and take a stand against an infinite number of zombies provided you don't have to reload and you always have a retreat ( and you're never tired ). Andrea showed that enough. Patricia's death was forced. I couldn't tell if they were paying attention because he came out of nowhere. + Show Spoiler [comic] + it reminded me of one of the recent comics and the woman holding Carl's hand before Carl ... Laurie is upset that Rick let Carl use a gun I think. She only reacted when he said that. Otherwise she was okay. Her acting was kinda bad though for the scene, which probably makes it more confusing. Steven Yeun ( Glenn ) did an AMA on Reddit, I can't find the link though, but he said you're supposed to hate her character. Finally at the guy mad about the tires, even for consistency, you only notice these things if you nitpick about the episode most of the time. I'd rather they be not consistent and use the right tires than have Daryl slip and injure himself? Here's a bunch of Matrix mistakes that seem to be much worse than replacing tires and from a major producer. @blug, you need an energy source to survive. As we have not encountered non-organic and non-carbon based lifeforms, we are in no position to say they need energy to survive. It's like asking if Superman needed to eat, which is very debatable. Ideally, walkers should be crawlers, since walking requires memory, but zombies should have no memories of anything. But crawling zombies would be too easy. Running should be impossible, and is, rightly so. It's not about them catching up because they're running, but because you're out of energy ( yay Andrea! ).
If you are able to walk, there is work involved, and with work energy is required, so there must be an energy source. Unless of course it's super natural...
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On March 20 2012 03:25 blug wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:11 Blisse wrote:On March 20 2012 01:55 wo1fwood wrote:hmmm... after this episode I'm actually debating if I should continue to watch. Some of it seemed rather, well forced. Scratch that, a lot of it seemed forced. Like why the walkers were migrating in the first place (GET TO THE CHOPPAHH!)? How about the zombies casually limping towards Hershel in such a convenient manner that he gets to stay alive (forgot how to run huh)? Next the death of Hershel's daughter, whats her name Patricia, as all of a sudden a ninja zombie jumps her at the most convenient time, and BAM, we have some drama (oh wait you were laughing at that? :/). Also, why is Laurie upset that Shane got killed by Rick based on her past behavior?? I'm reeaally trying to just sit and enjoy this show without over-analyzing, but jesus they're making it hard for me. Sorry that was a little harsher than I normally try to be Also, lol First season was a joke. Zombies were running and using rocks. That doesn't happen, ever. And I'm glad that hasn't made a reappearance in the second season. And "GET TO THE CHOPPAHH!" wtf ? It's perfectly possible to stand there and take a stand against an infinite number of zombies provided you don't have to reload and you always have a retreat ( and you're never tired ). Andrea showed that enough. Patricia's death was forced. I couldn't tell if they were paying attention because he came out of nowhere. + Show Spoiler [comic] + it reminded me of one of the recent comics and the woman holding Carl's hand before Carl ... Laurie is upset that Rick let Carl use a gun I think. She only reacted when he said that. Otherwise she was okay. Her acting was kinda bad though for the scene, which probably makes it more confusing. Steven Yeun ( Glenn ) did an AMA on Reddit, I can't find the link though, but he said you're supposed to hate her character. Finally at the guy mad about the tires, even for consistency, you only notice these things if you nitpick about the episode most of the time. I'd rather they be not consistent and use the right tires than have Daryl slip and injure himself? Here's a bunch of Matrix mistakes that seem to be much worse than replacing tires and from a major producer. @blug, you need an energy source to survive. As we have not encountered non-organic and non-carbon based lifeforms, we are in no position to say they need energy to survive. It's like asking if Superman needed to eat, which is very debatable. Ideally, walkers should be crawlers, since walking requires memory, but zombies should have no memories of anything. But crawling zombies would be too easy. Running should be impossible, and is, rightly so. It's not about them catching up because they're running, but because you're out of energy ( yay Andrea! ). If you are able to walk, there is work involved, and with work energy is required, so there must be an energy source. Unless of course it's super natural...
They are zombies, of course they are super natural.
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On March 20 2012 03:26 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:25 blug wrote:On March 20 2012 03:11 Blisse wrote:On March 20 2012 01:55 wo1fwood wrote:hmmm... after this episode I'm actually debating if I should continue to watch. Some of it seemed rather, well forced. Scratch that, a lot of it seemed forced. Like why the walkers were migrating in the first place (GET TO THE CHOPPAHH!)? How about the zombies casually limping towards Hershel in such a convenient manner that he gets to stay alive (forgot how to run huh)? Next the death of Hershel's daughter, whats her name Patricia, as all of a sudden a ninja zombie jumps her at the most convenient time, and BAM, we have some drama (oh wait you were laughing at that? :/). Also, why is Laurie upset that Shane got killed by Rick based on her past behavior?? I'm reeaally trying to just sit and enjoy this show without over-analyzing, but jesus they're making it hard for me. Sorry that was a little harsher than I normally try to be Also, lol First season was a joke. Zombies were running and using rocks. That doesn't happen, ever. And I'm glad that hasn't made a reappearance in the second season. And "GET TO THE CHOPPAHH!" wtf ? It's perfectly possible to stand there and take a stand against an infinite number of zombies provided you don't have to reload and you always have a retreat ( and you're never tired ). Andrea showed that enough. Patricia's death was forced. I couldn't tell if they were paying attention because he came out of nowhere. + Show Spoiler [comic] + it reminded me of one of the recent comics and the woman holding Carl's hand before Carl ... Laurie is upset that Rick let Carl use a gun I think. She only reacted when he said that. Otherwise she was okay. Her acting was kinda bad though for the scene, which probably makes it more confusing. Steven Yeun ( Glenn ) did an AMA on Reddit, I can't find the link though, but he said you're supposed to hate her character. Finally at the guy mad about the tires, even for consistency, you only notice these things if you nitpick about the episode most of the time. I'd rather they be not consistent and use the right tires than have Daryl slip and injure himself? Here's a bunch of Matrix mistakes that seem to be much worse than replacing tires and from a major producer. @blug, you need an energy source to survive. As we have not encountered non-organic and non-carbon based lifeforms, we are in no position to say they need energy to survive. It's like asking if Superman needed to eat, which is very debatable. Ideally, walkers should be crawlers, since walking requires memory, but zombies should have no memories of anything. But crawling zombies would be too easy. Running should be impossible, and is, rightly so. It's not about them catching up because they're running, but because you're out of energy ( yay Andrea! ). If you are able to walk, there is work involved, and with work energy is required, so there must be an energy source. Unless of course it's super natural... They are zombies, of course they are super natural.
Well, although they could be supernatural, that's assuming that the zombies weren't created through a blunder in science or was a deliberate terrorist type action. It could also be an act of god or something, + Show Spoiler +Hershel referenced within the comic that it could be an act of god. But to be fair he is a supersticious old man xD
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On March 20 2012 03:29 blug wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:26 Sentenal wrote:On March 20 2012 03:25 blug wrote:On March 20 2012 03:11 Blisse wrote:On March 20 2012 01:55 wo1fwood wrote:hmmm... after this episode I'm actually debating if I should continue to watch. Some of it seemed rather, well forced. Scratch that, a lot of it seemed forced. Like why the walkers were migrating in the first place (GET TO THE CHOPPAHH!)? How about the zombies casually limping towards Hershel in such a convenient manner that he gets to stay alive (forgot how to run huh)? Next the death of Hershel's daughter, whats her name Patricia, as all of a sudden a ninja zombie jumps her at the most convenient time, and BAM, we have some drama (oh wait you were laughing at that? :/). Also, why is Laurie upset that Shane got killed by Rick based on her past behavior?? I'm reeaally trying to just sit and enjoy this show without over-analyzing, but jesus they're making it hard for me. Sorry that was a little harsher than I normally try to be Also, lol First season was a joke. Zombies were running and using rocks. That doesn't happen, ever. And I'm glad that hasn't made a reappearance in the second season. And "GET TO THE CHOPPAHH!" wtf ? It's perfectly possible to stand there and take a stand against an infinite number of zombies provided you don't have to reload and you always have a retreat ( and you're never tired ). Andrea showed that enough. Patricia's death was forced. I couldn't tell if they were paying attention because he came out of nowhere. + Show Spoiler [comic] + it reminded me of one of the recent comics and the woman holding Carl's hand before Carl ... Laurie is upset that Rick let Carl use a gun I think. She only reacted when he said that. Otherwise she was okay. Her acting was kinda bad though for the scene, which probably makes it more confusing. Steven Yeun ( Glenn ) did an AMA on Reddit, I can't find the link though, but he said you're supposed to hate her character. Finally at the guy mad about the tires, even for consistency, you only notice these things if you nitpick about the episode most of the time. I'd rather they be not consistent and use the right tires than have Daryl slip and injure himself? Here's a bunch of Matrix mistakes that seem to be much worse than replacing tires and from a major producer. @blug, you need an energy source to survive. As we have not encountered non-organic and non-carbon based lifeforms, we are in no position to say they need energy to survive. It's like asking if Superman needed to eat, which is very debatable. Ideally, walkers should be crawlers, since walking requires memory, but zombies should have no memories of anything. But crawling zombies would be too easy. Running should be impossible, and is, rightly so. It's not about them catching up because they're running, but because you're out of energy ( yay Andrea! ). If you are able to walk, there is work involved, and with work energy is required, so there must be an energy source. Unless of course it's super natural... They are zombies, of course they are super natural. Well, although they could be supernatural, that's assuming that the zombies weren't created through a blunder in science or was a deliberate terrorist type action. It could also be an act of god or something, + Show Spoiler +Hershel referenced within the comic that it could be an act of god. But to be fair he is a supersticious old man xD
Its not uncommon for science to create things that are supernatural. Zombies by their nature are supernatural, regardless of their origin/reason. Best to not dwell on things like that too much.
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No need to try to figure out their source of energy.. or if they need one.. I mean, it could be the sun for all we know. I dont think knowing that source is important. It is not the point of the show to have them try to stop the walkers from attacking.. They are simply trying to survive. If they come up with what makes the zombies tick, I would be very surprised.
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On March 20 2012 03:35 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:29 blug wrote:On March 20 2012 03:26 Sentenal wrote:On March 20 2012 03:25 blug wrote:On March 20 2012 03:11 Blisse wrote:On March 20 2012 01:55 wo1fwood wrote:hmmm... after this episode I'm actually debating if I should continue to watch. Some of it seemed rather, well forced. Scratch that, a lot of it seemed forced. Like why the walkers were migrating in the first place (GET TO THE CHOPPAHH!)? How about the zombies casually limping towards Hershel in such a convenient manner that he gets to stay alive (forgot how to run huh)? Next the death of Hershel's daughter, whats her name Patricia, as all of a sudden a ninja zombie jumps her at the most convenient time, and BAM, we have some drama (oh wait you were laughing at that? :/). Also, why is Laurie upset that Shane got killed by Rick based on her past behavior?? I'm reeaally trying to just sit and enjoy this show without over-analyzing, but jesus they're making it hard for me. Sorry that was a little harsher than I normally try to be Also, lol First season was a joke. Zombies were running and using rocks. That doesn't happen, ever. And I'm glad that hasn't made a reappearance in the second season. And "GET TO THE CHOPPAHH!" wtf ? It's perfectly possible to stand there and take a stand against an infinite number of zombies provided you don't have to reload and you always have a retreat ( and you're never tired ). Andrea showed that enough. Patricia's death was forced. I couldn't tell if they were paying attention because he came out of nowhere. + Show Spoiler [comic] + it reminded me of one of the recent comics and the woman holding Carl's hand before Carl ... Laurie is upset that Rick let Carl use a gun I think. She only reacted when he said that. Otherwise she was okay. Her acting was kinda bad though for the scene, which probably makes it more confusing. Steven Yeun ( Glenn ) did an AMA on Reddit, I can't find the link though, but he said you're supposed to hate her character. Finally at the guy mad about the tires, even for consistency, you only notice these things if you nitpick about the episode most of the time. I'd rather they be not consistent and use the right tires than have Daryl slip and injure himself? Here's a bunch of Matrix mistakes that seem to be much worse than replacing tires and from a major producer. @blug, you need an energy source to survive. As we have not encountered non-organic and non-carbon based lifeforms, we are in no position to say they need energy to survive. It's like asking if Superman needed to eat, which is very debatable. Ideally, walkers should be crawlers, since walking requires memory, but zombies should have no memories of anything. But crawling zombies would be too easy. Running should be impossible, and is, rightly so. It's not about them catching up because they're running, but because you're out of energy ( yay Andrea! ). If you are able to walk, there is work involved, and with work energy is required, so there must be an energy source. Unless of course it's super natural... They are zombies, of course they are super natural. Well, although they could be supernatural, that's assuming that the zombies weren't created through a blunder in science or was a deliberate terrorist type action. It could also be an act of god or something, + Show Spoiler +Hershel referenced within the comic that it could be an act of god. But to be fair he is a supersticious old man xD Its not uncommon for science to create things that are supernatural. Zombies by their nature are supernatural, regardless of their origin/reason. Best to not dwell on things like that too much.
Science never creates something super natural and never will...by definition science is the study of nature, and something that is super natural is above nature and not held to laws of nature, and nothing super natural is known to exist and doesn't exist, if the zombies are super natural then they were not created through science and a cure isn't being developed in france...
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The final show had it all, action and plot development and a teaser at the end with Michonne along with the prison in the background.
I guess the reason why the swarm of walkers showed up was a good enough reason. I did find it pretty weird that they could make headshots while moving like that. Lori making headshots was beyond me. Maybe Dayle dying here would have been better instead of killing 2 characters that for the most part no one cared about.
Ricks character development from Season 1 to the end of this season has been pretty well done imo, killing Shane had a bigger impact on him than I thought. I am a big fan on how the show and the directors ended with Rick on this part, really could feel the change there.
That Samurai chick had a wicked cool entrance their at the end still those are some really chill zombies not getting aggressive or maybe they gave up.
Cant wait for S3
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On March 20 2012 03:43 Cosmology wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:35 Sentenal wrote:On March 20 2012 03:29 blug wrote:On March 20 2012 03:26 Sentenal wrote:On March 20 2012 03:25 blug wrote:On March 20 2012 03:11 Blisse wrote:On March 20 2012 01:55 wo1fwood wrote:hmmm... after this episode I'm actually debating if I should continue to watch. Some of it seemed rather, well forced. Scratch that, a lot of it seemed forced. Like why the walkers were migrating in the first place (GET TO THE CHOPPAHH!)? How about the zombies casually limping towards Hershel in such a convenient manner that he gets to stay alive (forgot how to run huh)? Next the death of Hershel's daughter, whats her name Patricia, as all of a sudden a ninja zombie jumps her at the most convenient time, and BAM, we have some drama (oh wait you were laughing at that? :/). Also, why is Laurie upset that Shane got killed by Rick based on her past behavior?? I'm reeaally trying to just sit and enjoy this show without over-analyzing, but jesus they're making it hard for me. Sorry that was a little harsher than I normally try to be Also, lol First season was a joke. Zombies were running and using rocks. That doesn't happen, ever. And I'm glad that hasn't made a reappearance in the second season. And "GET TO THE CHOPPAHH!" wtf ? It's perfectly possible to stand there and take a stand against an infinite number of zombies provided you don't have to reload and you always have a retreat ( and you're never tired ). Andrea showed that enough. Patricia's death was forced. I couldn't tell if they were paying attention because he came out of nowhere. + Show Spoiler [comic] + it reminded me of one of the recent comics and the woman holding Carl's hand before Carl ... Laurie is upset that Rick let Carl use a gun I think. She only reacted when he said that. Otherwise she was okay. Her acting was kinda bad though for the scene, which probably makes it more confusing. Steven Yeun ( Glenn ) did an AMA on Reddit, I can't find the link though, but he said you're supposed to hate her character. Finally at the guy mad about the tires, even for consistency, you only notice these things if you nitpick about the episode most of the time. I'd rather they be not consistent and use the right tires than have Daryl slip and injure himself? Here's a bunch of Matrix mistakes that seem to be much worse than replacing tires and from a major producer. @blug, you need an energy source to survive. As we have not encountered non-organic and non-carbon based lifeforms, we are in no position to say they need energy to survive. It's like asking if Superman needed to eat, which is very debatable. Ideally, walkers should be crawlers, since walking requires memory, but zombies should have no memories of anything. But crawling zombies would be too easy. Running should be impossible, and is, rightly so. It's not about them catching up because they're running, but because you're out of energy ( yay Andrea! ). If you are able to walk, there is work involved, and with work energy is required, so there must be an energy source. Unless of course it's super natural... They are zombies, of course they are super natural. Well, although they could be supernatural, that's assuming that the zombies weren't created through a blunder in science or was a deliberate terrorist type action. It could also be an act of god or something, + Show Spoiler +Hershel referenced within the comic that it could be an act of god. But to be fair he is a supersticious old man xD Its not uncommon for science to create things that are supernatural. Zombies by their nature are supernatural, regardless of their origin/reason. Best to not dwell on things like that too much. Science never creates something super natural and never will...by definition science is the study of nature, and something that is super natural is above nature and not held to laws of nature, and nothing super natural is known to exist and doesn't exist, if the zombies are super natural then they were not created through science and a cure isn't being developed in france...
Welcome to Science-Fiction. Science creates supernatural crap all the time in Science Fiction. Thats why "Fiction" is in there.
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Now, lets watch 5-6 boring shows that doesnt get even close to how awesome The walking dead is during the summer while waiting for S3
And please dont say Games of Thrones...I like it...but its nothing close to TWD.
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On March 20 2012 04:02 pure_protoss wrote:Now, lets watch 5-6 boring shows that doesnt get even close to how awesome The walking dead is during the summer while waiting for S3 And please dont say Games of Thrones...I like it...but its nothing close to TWD.
Spartacus :D Mad Men is also coming out, and Eastbound and Down is also new
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Loved this episode.
+ Show Spoiler +When I saw that Andrea got left behind in the farm and ran way into the woods I thought to myself: "It would be just sweet if it was Michonne to appear and save Andrea's ass". And you know what? Michonne saved Andrea's freaking ass!!! Hell yeah!!
The downside is that Rick seems have slipped to the dark side way fast... I was thinking that he would stay in the light at least until after they settle down in the prison and all hell breaks lose again.
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Hyrule19232 Posts
On March 20 2012 03:43 Cosmology wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:35 Sentenal wrote:On March 20 2012 03:29 blug wrote:On March 20 2012 03:26 Sentenal wrote:On March 20 2012 03:25 blug wrote:On March 20 2012 03:11 Blisse wrote:On March 20 2012 01:55 wo1fwood wrote:hmmm... after this episode I'm actually debating if I should continue to watch. Some of it seemed rather, well forced. Scratch that, a lot of it seemed forced. Like why the walkers were migrating in the first place (GET TO THE CHOPPAHH!)? How about the zombies casually limping towards Hershel in such a convenient manner that he gets to stay alive (forgot how to run huh)? Next the death of Hershel's daughter, whats her name Patricia, as all of a sudden a ninja zombie jumps her at the most convenient time, and BAM, we have some drama (oh wait you were laughing at that? :/). Also, why is Laurie upset that Shane got killed by Rick based on her past behavior?? I'm reeaally trying to just sit and enjoy this show without over-analyzing, but jesus they're making it hard for me. Sorry that was a little harsher than I normally try to be Also, lol First season was a joke. Zombies were running and using rocks. That doesn't happen, ever. And I'm glad that hasn't made a reappearance in the second season. And "GET TO THE CHOPPAHH!" wtf ? It's perfectly possible to stand there and take a stand against an infinite number of zombies provided you don't have to reload and you always have a retreat ( and you're never tired ). Andrea showed that enough. Patricia's death was forced. I couldn't tell if they were paying attention because he came out of nowhere. + Show Spoiler [comic] + it reminded me of one of the recent comics and the woman holding Carl's hand before Carl ... Laurie is upset that Rick let Carl use a gun I think. She only reacted when he said that. Otherwise she was okay. Her acting was kinda bad though for the scene, which probably makes it more confusing. Steven Yeun ( Glenn ) did an AMA on Reddit, I can't find the link though, but he said you're supposed to hate her character. Finally at the guy mad about the tires, even for consistency, you only notice these things if you nitpick about the episode most of the time. I'd rather they be not consistent and use the right tires than have Daryl slip and injure himself? Here's a bunch of Matrix mistakes that seem to be much worse than replacing tires and from a major producer. @blug, you need an energy source to survive. As we have not encountered non-organic and non-carbon based lifeforms, we are in no position to say they need energy to survive. It's like asking if Superman needed to eat, which is very debatable. Ideally, walkers should be crawlers, since walking requires memory, but zombies should have no memories of anything. But crawling zombies would be too easy. Running should be impossible, and is, rightly so. It's not about them catching up because they're running, but because you're out of energy ( yay Andrea! ). If you are able to walk, there is work involved, and with work energy is required, so there must be an energy source. Unless of course it's super natural... They are zombies, of course they are super natural. Well, although they could be supernatural, that's assuming that the zombies weren't created through a blunder in science or was a deliberate terrorist type action. It could also be an act of god or something, + Show Spoiler +Hershel referenced within the comic that it could be an act of god. But to be fair he is a supersticious old man xD Its not uncommon for science to create things that are supernatural. Zombies by their nature are supernatural, regardless of their origin/reason. Best to not dwell on things like that too much. Science never creates something super natural and never will...by definition science is the study of nature, and something that is super natural is above nature and not held to laws of nature, and nothing super natural is known to exist and doesn't exist, if the zombies are super natural then they were not created through science and a cure isn't being developed in france... Science creates all kinds of things which are super natural. For instance, the computer you use does not occur in nature. There are many elements which were created in labs. Pretty sure fast food is super natural too.
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I like how the zombies are using forestaff from DOTA, in one moment the zombies approx 100 m away, the next moment when camera shiftes postion they have surrounded the house.
Even though the walkers are everywhere around the house, the zombies Hershel shooting appears to advance very slowly against him. And Hershel was the vanguard of the house so how the fuck can the zombies surround the house and start wrecking havoc without first passing by Hershel?
So damn cheesy and all this details of blunders keeps coming back in this series.
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On March 20 2012 03:43 Cosmology wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:35 Sentenal wrote:On March 20 2012 03:29 blug wrote:On March 20 2012 03:26 Sentenal wrote:On March 20 2012 03:25 blug wrote:On March 20 2012 03:11 Blisse wrote:On March 20 2012 01:55 wo1fwood wrote:hmmm... after this episode I'm actually debating if I should continue to watch. Some of it seemed rather, well forced. Scratch that, a lot of it seemed forced. Like why the walkers were migrating in the first place (GET TO THE CHOPPAHH!)? How about the zombies casually limping towards Hershel in such a convenient manner that he gets to stay alive (forgot how to run huh)? Next the death of Hershel's daughter, whats her name Patricia, as all of a sudden a ninja zombie jumps her at the most convenient time, and BAM, we have some drama (oh wait you were laughing at that? :/). Also, why is Laurie upset that Shane got killed by Rick based on her past behavior?? I'm reeaally trying to just sit and enjoy this show without over-analyzing, but jesus they're making it hard for me. Sorry that was a little harsher than I normally try to be Also, lol First season was a joke. Zombies were running and using rocks. That doesn't happen, ever. And I'm glad that hasn't made a reappearance in the second season. And "GET TO THE CHOPPAHH!" wtf ? It's perfectly possible to stand there and take a stand against an infinite number of zombies provided you don't have to reload and you always have a retreat ( and you're never tired ). Andrea showed that enough. Patricia's death was forced. I couldn't tell if they were paying attention because he came out of nowhere. + Show Spoiler [comic] + it reminded me of one of the recent comics and the woman holding Carl's hand before Carl ... Laurie is upset that Rick let Carl use a gun I think. She only reacted when he said that. Otherwise she was okay. Her acting was kinda bad though for the scene, which probably makes it more confusing. Steven Yeun ( Glenn ) did an AMA on Reddit, I can't find the link though, but he said you're supposed to hate her character. Finally at the guy mad about the tires, even for consistency, you only notice these things if you nitpick about the episode most of the time. I'd rather they be not consistent and use the right tires than have Daryl slip and injure himself? Here's a bunch of Matrix mistakes that seem to be much worse than replacing tires and from a major producer. @blug, you need an energy source to survive. As we have not encountered non-organic and non-carbon based lifeforms, we are in no position to say they need energy to survive. It's like asking if Superman needed to eat, which is very debatable. Ideally, walkers should be crawlers, since walking requires memory, but zombies should have no memories of anything. But crawling zombies would be too easy. Running should be impossible, and is, rightly so. It's not about them catching up because they're running, but because you're out of energy ( yay Andrea! ). If you are able to walk, there is work involved, and with work energy is required, so there must be an energy source. Unless of course it's super natural... They are zombies, of course they are super natural. Well, although they could be supernatural, that's assuming that the zombies weren't created through a blunder in science or was a deliberate terrorist type action. It could also be an act of god or something, + Show Spoiler +Hershel referenced within the comic that it could be an act of god. But to be fair he is a supersticious old man xD Its not uncommon for science to create things that are supernatural. Zombies by their nature are supernatural, regardless of their origin/reason. Best to not dwell on things like that too much. Science never creates something super natural and never will...by definition science is the study of nature, and something that is super natural is above nature and not held to laws of nature, and nothing super natural is known to exist and doesn't exist, if the zombies are super natural then they were not created through science and a cure isn't being developed in france...
Science is based on observations. If something exists that's not held to laws of nature, as scientists we re-evaluate our law of nature. Reality doesn't bend to the definition. We fit the definition into reality, and if reality changes, so does our definition. If something's supernatural, it means we have no explanation for it; it doesn't fit into our "nature." But if it's an observable fact, and not a random anomaly, we will change our definition of "nature" so it does fit into it.
Shorter version. If somehow in Rick's world they created this epidemic, then it's part of their "nature" now. Not ours. And in this alternate universe, those are the rules that apply. You die, you become a zombie. Science is again, observations about what happens. If you turn into a zombie when you die, then that's science.
We're really talking about dumb things nowadays... it's fiction. Leave it at that.
@above, er, the magic of fast forwarding 30 seconds, or even that Hershel is at the front but the herd is so massive it's completely around, but the gun fire draws them closer. I don't find that as bad as an inconsistency as you do, versus other points of the show/episode.
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On March 20 2012 04:08 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:43 Cosmology wrote:On March 20 2012 03:35 Sentenal wrote:On March 20 2012 03:29 blug wrote:On March 20 2012 03:26 Sentenal wrote:On March 20 2012 03:25 blug wrote:On March 20 2012 03:11 Blisse wrote:On March 20 2012 01:55 wo1fwood wrote:hmmm... after this episode I'm actually debating if I should continue to watch. Some of it seemed rather, well forced. Scratch that, a lot of it seemed forced. Like why the walkers were migrating in the first place (GET TO THE CHOPPAHH!)? How about the zombies casually limping towards Hershel in such a convenient manner that he gets to stay alive (forgot how to run huh)? Next the death of Hershel's daughter, whats her name Patricia, as all of a sudden a ninja zombie jumps her at the most convenient time, and BAM, we have some drama (oh wait you were laughing at that? :/). Also, why is Laurie upset that Shane got killed by Rick based on her past behavior?? I'm reeaally trying to just sit and enjoy this show without over-analyzing, but jesus they're making it hard for me. Sorry that was a little harsher than I normally try to be Also, lol First season was a joke. Zombies were running and using rocks. That doesn't happen, ever. And I'm glad that hasn't made a reappearance in the second season. And "GET TO THE CHOPPAHH!" wtf ? It's perfectly possible to stand there and take a stand against an infinite number of zombies provided you don't have to reload and you always have a retreat ( and you're never tired ). Andrea showed that enough. Patricia's death was forced. I couldn't tell if they were paying attention because he came out of nowhere. + Show Spoiler [comic] + it reminded me of one of the recent comics and the woman holding Carl's hand before Carl ... Laurie is upset that Rick let Carl use a gun I think. She only reacted when he said that. Otherwise she was okay. Her acting was kinda bad though for the scene, which probably makes it more confusing. Steven Yeun ( Glenn ) did an AMA on Reddit, I can't find the link though, but he said you're supposed to hate her character. Finally at the guy mad about the tires, even for consistency, you only notice these things if you nitpick about the episode most of the time. I'd rather they be not consistent and use the right tires than have Daryl slip and injure himself? Here's a bunch of Matrix mistakes that seem to be much worse than replacing tires and from a major producer. @blug, you need an energy source to survive. As we have not encountered non-organic and non-carbon based lifeforms, we are in no position to say they need energy to survive. It's like asking if Superman needed to eat, which is very debatable. Ideally, walkers should be crawlers, since walking requires memory, but zombies should have no memories of anything. But crawling zombies would be too easy. Running should be impossible, and is, rightly so. It's not about them catching up because they're running, but because you're out of energy ( yay Andrea! ). If you are able to walk, there is work involved, and with work energy is required, so there must be an energy source. Unless of course it's super natural... They are zombies, of course they are super natural. Well, although they could be supernatural, that's assuming that the zombies weren't created through a blunder in science or was a deliberate terrorist type action. It could also be an act of god or something, + Show Spoiler +Hershel referenced within the comic that it could be an act of god. But to be fair he is a supersticious old man xD Its not uncommon for science to create things that are supernatural. Zombies by their nature are supernatural, regardless of their origin/reason. Best to not dwell on things like that too much. Science never creates something super natural and never will...by definition science is the study of nature, and something that is super natural is above nature and not held to laws of nature, and nothing super natural is known to exist and doesn't exist, if the zombies are super natural then they were not created through science and a cure isn't being developed in france... Science creates all kinds of things which are super natural. For instance, the computer you use does not occur in nature. There are many elements which were created in labs. Pretty sure fast food is super natural too.
Think you're confusing things that aren't created naturally with supernatural. Supernatural (afaik) is something, as has been mentioned, that is above the rules of nature. In real life, there is nothing supernatural as far as we (mankind) know, A computer is as supernatural as a wooden wheel or a sharpened stick (not at all supernatural). A rule of thumb is that something that is supernatural cannot be explained scientifically.
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On March 20 2012 04:19 InDaHouse wrote:
I like how the zombies are using forestaff from DOTA, in one moment the zombies approx 100 m away, the next moment when camera shiftes postion they have surrounded the house.
Even though the walkers are everywhere around the house, the zombies Hershel shooting appears to advance very slowly against him. And Hershel was the vanguard of the house so how the fuck can the zombies surround the house and start wrecking havoc without first passing by Hershel?
So damn cheesy and all this details of blunders keeps coming back in this series.
Ha, I just deleted a long response, but you basically nailed it. Hershel should have died, based on what the camera directors showed us, so instead we get a conflict of interest between the screenplay and the storyboarding... :/
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