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Tomken
Norway1144 Posts
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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Bonkarn
Japan29 Posts
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poilord
Germany3252 Posts
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Occidental
United States14 Posts
I think that is the point the writers were trying to get across. You can hear him begging Jesus for help and for guidance. Dickson even says he knew that he's "been bad" and deserves to be punished. Maybe the only way he could understand punishment was through pain, say the pain of cutting your own hand off in repentence? The factors of dehydration, dementia, and zombies pounding on the door cannot be overlooked either. | ||
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MidKnight
Lithuania884 Posts
On November 16 2010 21:29 Nazarene wrote: I did not see that coming either. Because it didn't make any sense! Cutting through that old metal would've been easier + saved him his hand. Pretty retarded imo :p Besides that, I like the show so far :-)! Dude was obviously panicking, he may have thought he didn't have much time before 'geeks' broke through the door. And I doubt we can really judge the state of the steel he had to cut through or the chainsaw he had. | ||
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Ashera
Canada202 Posts
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Nienordir
98 Posts
How did he survive in the hospital for weeks without food&water or why didn't roaming zombies find him? He should've died. After that he walks through the military camp without looking for a gun, radio, clothes or food. (There should've been at least something useful) No, instead he just walks home in his hospital undies, through the apocalypse, as if nothing happend..he doesn't even pick up a newspaper. >_> (that behavior is fine for 'shaun of the dead', but not for a 'serious zombie drama') Then he and the black family split up. I don't get it..why did they split up? In episode 3 he clearly states that they intended to go to Atlanta too and he had to get his walkie-talkie to warn them. That's dumb horror movie logic "I go alone, it's not like something bad could happen..". Why did the tank have a hatch at the bottom? (it shouldn't be there) Where did the frag grenade go that he picked up? And what happend to all the zombies surrounding the tank? Half of the zombies on the tank were magically gone and most of the zombies on the main street disappeared too..in less than 5 minutes. (the guy on the radio told him to hurry, he couldn't have stayed days inside and there was no distraction to lure them away either) Why didn't he go to grab his bag, only a few feet away, when he had no problem at all to leave the tank and run around the corner, before suddenly agile zombies appeared from every direction? How did the zombie get into the sewers and what are the odds that he passes the grate exactly when they check it? How did the black guy trip and drop the key, that bounced perfectly into the pipe? That's a one in a million shot.. (he should've thrown the key of the building and told them he dropped it, that would've been way more believable after what that guy did to him) Why did he drive the noisy car into the camp, instead of leaving it on the highway, where it would've been safe to get into the truck? They _know_ that noise attracts zombies. Then there's the redneck on the roof, who never even bothered to look around (he could've found the hacksaw hours ago) and then he cuts off his hand instead of the rusty metal, that probably would've broken too if he kicked against it a few times or he could've tried to screw it lose, I don't think that part was bolted on.. Finally the huge inconsistencies in zombie behavior. The cop zombie was to dumb to climb the fence, yet the other ones climb with ease. The zombies in atlanta smell the redneck at the top of a 10 floor building and dash up the stairs in minutes, yet the zombies in front of the black guys house don't even notice them. I don't mind dumb, smart or specialized zombies. I would even be fine if their skills were based on their physical condition/how long they've been dead. But their abilities change every few minutes to whatever the writers like with no real pattern. (like a zombie that can only walk slow, because it doesn't have much flesh left or is heavily damaged or zombies that can't climb, because they lost their arms or hell even lose just a rotten hand and fall down when they try to climb) One of the biggest let downs is that they haven't revealed how the situation got that bad and why most of the survivors are only concerned about getting bitten. Getting direct contact with any fluid should be dangerous. They don't seem 'that' concerned about contaminated food/water/animals either.. (the animals don't have to be zombies, although it would've been hilarious if the zombie horse would've been standing in front of the tank. xD It would be bad enough if they acted as carrier of the virus or whatever it is) I will give that show a few more episodes, because I like zombies. But so far I've been heavily disappointed, because the world isn't believable at all. Rules change every 5 minutes, people go from classic horror victim to §$%&ing aimbot sniper and back and not even one of the survivors is a military guy, eventhough they have the biggest guns and should be able to defend at least their squad. Seems odd that a housewive with kid survives, but a platoon of badass soldiers gets killed with ease? Can't buy that and good sfx won't save a show that focuses on 'serious drama' and not on over the top zombie slaughter. The only good thing about is, that I want more crossbows, seems like a smart way to conserve ammo for those moments when stuff hits the fan, but the show has a serious lack of combat rifles..there should be tons of them (and ammo) lying around, even the mg on the tank had a fresh belt and what would be cooler than blowing up a zillion zombies with a grenade launcher to clear the way, while driving a truck to escape the city?^^ btw>my 'priority list' for the zombocalypse now contains a crossbow too, seems like a great addition. Baseballbats are not effective (seen how many times they bashed that poor zombie near the camp, before the old guy axed him? Well, maybe baseballbats should be replaced with samurai swords, that should work, but they're still melee..to dangerous), ammo is limited and shooting makes to much noise, unless there are only old school dumb zombies, in which case you probably want to mow them down in style. Killing zombies is art, not a crime! =P | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On November 17 2010 08:25 Nienordir wrote: wall of text =P Read the comic, they are butchering the story in the TV show. | ||
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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
On November 17 2010 08:25 Nienordir wrote: The only good thing about is, that I want more crossbows, seems like a smart way to conserve ammo for those moments when stuff hits the fan, but the show has a serious lack of combat rifles..there should be tons of them (and ammo) lying around, even the mg on the tank had a fresh belt and what would be cooler than blowing up a zillion zombies with a grenade launcher to clear the way, while driving a truck to escape the city?^^ btw>my 'priority list' for the zombocalypse now contains a crossbow too, seems like a great addition. Baseballbats are not effective (seen how many times they bashed that poor zombie near the camp, before the old guy axed him? Well, maybe baseballbats should be replaced with samurai swords, that should work, but they're still melee..to dangerous), ammo is limited and shooting makes to much noise, unless there are only old school dumb zombies, in which case you probably want to mow them down in style. Killing zombies is art, not a crime! =P Have you got any idea how heavy the Browning M2 is? You cannot just take it off the tank and stroll away. Also, why wouldn't you just use a suppressor on a gun along with subsonic ammunition? The crossbow probably takes way to long to reload. | ||
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NobleDog
United States65 Posts
I don't know why everyone was gathered around the corpse while it was being harvested for its guts. I thought getting any of their blood on you was an issue. Merle couldn't have been deranged by thirst up on the roof as the zombies were knocking at his door as soon as the rest of the crew left. There just wasn't time for that. He was conveniently insensible to allow him to cut off his hand dramatically. Hell, the cuffs may have been hardened steel but that bolt he was chained to was just regular steel. Some silly writing in there but I'm still loving the eps so far. | ||
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Folca
2235 Posts
Come on guys, its a TV show, there MUST be a development of characters or the only shit that you watch will only be people killing zombies, it has to be more than that. Thats where the characters come in and slice off their goddamn hand (which holy shit I gotta say). I dunno why people are getting so technical about the hand being sawed off and the biology. Its a TV show guys, not a surgery. The only thing that mind boggles me is the first episode at the end when he enters the shaft of the tank. He had the gun pointed at him saying, "Sorry Lori" and comes in wtf totally unexpected. But yeah, the directors were perfect into ending the third episode with that scene. Lovely series, criticize arise anywhere.. Oh well. :edit: Nienordir brings up a lot of good points about why the man and his child decided to stay alone with the cop going down to Atlanta, but yeah I mean directors don't look over and extremely analyze every single setting and plot of the matter. They are going off of a comic-book, after all. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10525 Posts
On November 17 2010 08:25 Nienordir wrote: I'm still torn if I like TWD or not. There are so many inconsistencies, stupid behavior and continuity errors, that just make the show unbelievable and dumb. You know what other show has as many incosistencies and continuity errors as this one? Every show in history of T.V. Over half of your list is ridiculous. For example, faulting him for not getting supplies from a military camp after he wakes out of a coma. 99.9% of people that wake up out of a coma and find themselves in an apocolypse are going straight to their wife and kids. They are not going to loot survival gear when they don't even know what is happening or if their family is alive. Also some tanks had hatches on the bottom, for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M60_Patton "The M60 was the last U.S. main battle tank to utilize homogeneous steel armor for protection. It was also the last to feature an escape hatch under the hull." | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
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Duckvillelol
Australia1241 Posts
On November 17 2010 09:49 Folca wrote: Honestly this series is the closest thing to a decent zombie apocalypse show ever. I dont know why people say theres too much drama in this show. I feel as if it has the perfect combination of the development of characters and the action of the zombie apocalypse that we all perceive. Come on guys, its a TV show, there MUST be a development of characters or the only shit that you watch will only be people killing zombies, it has to be more than that. Thats where the characters come in and slice off their goddamn hand (which holy shit I gotta say). I dunno why people are getting so technical about the hand being sawed off and the biology. Its a TV show guys, not a surgery. The only thing that mind boggles me is the first episode at the end when he enters the shaft of the tank. He had the gun pointed at him saying, "Sorry Lori" and comes in wtf totally unexpected. But yeah, the directors were perfect into ending the third episode with that scene. Lovely series, criticize arise anywhere.. Oh well. :edit: Nienordir brings up a lot of good points about why the man and his child decided to stay alone with the cop going down to Atlanta, but yeah I mean directors don't look over and extremely analyze every single setting and plot of the matter. They are going off of a comic-book, after all. I agree with pretty much everything here from Folca. It's a pretty decent zombie tv show (comparing it to i am legend? Jeez it's heaps better) - and whilst there are some flaws and I'm sure they are pulling the story from the comics apart - it's still a show. You cannot expect everything to be 'exactly as it is in the comic book' because to a distributor/publisher it's just not possible. Those guys care about how the show will fare in ratings etc. As for Neinordir's essay about errors - some of the things can be explained if you think about it - and some things... man it's a TV show. There's "picking up continuity errors" and then there's "being a really picky bitch about continuity". Some of the things you've listed are the latter. I'm not saying continuity isn't an important part of a story, but really. If I remember when I get home I'll update this post to reflect the points I'm making about your issues. Overall - I concur with the opinion that episode 3 was a bit flat because of all the drama crap - I'd actually like to see how it all begun, and perhaps some backstory. Some people don't like 'flashbacks' but I think they are required a little here. That said - I'm still yet to see a zombie show/movie where there was a generic backstory explaining the apocalypse apart from "Lol I screwed up a medicine" or "lol the flu got out of control". That said, being only a semi-zombie fan I might have missed some show/movie where there was something different. | ||
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Joementum
787 Posts
On November 17 2010 08:25 Nienordir wrote: TEXT Who knows how he survived? He could have had an IV in him. He could have just been in there for days and not weeks. We really don't know. How the hell does anyone survive in a zombie apocalypse? Most movies/shows never have a good story on how someone survived. The important thing is that they did. When you just wake up out of a coma and you see people with guts coming at you, I don't think your number one priority is going to be "guns guns guns!" if there are zombies around you and you JUST woke up. And who's to say that the place hadn't been looted already? The families split up because the father wanted to finish off his wife and he wanted to go find his wife. It was quite clear. Did it make sense? Not really. Were they planning on getting back together? Yes. Give the grenade some fucking time. Are you seriously complainig about a grenade not being used yet? If I found a grenade in a zombie apocalypse, then I wouldn't use it until I needed to. He hasn't found a reason to use it yet. Zombies don't stand around things forever. It was made quite clear in the first episode that the zombies eventually just go away. That and they were preoccupied with eating the horse. Why didn't he grab his guns? Because they were next to the dead horse where there were a crazy amount of zombies. The direction he ran didn't have that many zombies. And now you're just being way too picky. The gate? You don't believe in coincidence at all? And now I'm done... There's just way too many things you are complaining about. I understand that every one wants some continuity, but you're just being way too picky now. Not everything is going to make sense. That's just how TV shows and movies are. I would like to see you direct a TV show or movie where everything makes sense. What a failure that would most likely be. Edit - One other thing I want to address. Who knows why some zombies are more agile than others? Maybe they actually have energy to use? Zombies don't have an infinite amount of energy to use. That cop zombie that was "too dumb" to climb the fence could have just not had the energy to do it. He was in the middle of nowhere where there is less food than in a city. Maybe that zombie that climbed the fence just finished eating the horse  .Overall - I concur with the opinion that episode 3 was a bit flat because of all the drama crap - I'd actually like to see how it all begun, and perhaps some backstory. Some people don't like 'flashbacks' but I think they are required a little here. That said - I'm still yet to see a zombie show/movie where there was a generic backstory explaining the apocalypse apart from "Lol I screwed up a medicine" or "lol the flu got out of control". That said, being only a semi-zombie fan I might have missed some show/movie where there was something different. 28 weeks later? Don't they explain it pretty well in that movie or at least give it some back story? Could be wrong. I haven't watched it in a long time. | ||
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Noev
United States1105 Posts
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wongfeihung
United States763 Posts
On November 17 2010 08:25 Nienordir wrote: How did he survive in the hospital for weeks... why didn't roaming zombies find him? There was a stretcher in front of his door at the hospital. I'm guessing that was enough to keep zombies out. These zombies are dumb. To the rest of your rant, my answer is: shit happens. Sure, some of the shit that happens may only have a "1 in a million" chance of happening, but this is make-believe, remember? It happens for the sake of the story/suspense/etc. Rather than looking for every little, minutely unrealistic and/or inconsistent detail that occurs, why not just sit back and enjoy the show? Our entertainment is not based off of real-life accuracy; we find shows to be entertaining by feeding off of the drama/horror/etc. that occurs during the show. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On November 17 2010 15:39 wongfeihung wrote: There was a stretcher in front of his door at the hospital. I'm guessing that was enough to keep zombies out. These zombies are dumb. To the rest of your rant, my answer is: shit happens. Sure, some of the shit that happens may only have a "1 in a million" chance of happening, but this is make-believe, remember? It happens for the sake of the story/suspense/etc. Rather than looking for every little, minutely unrealistic and/or inconsistent detail that occurs, why not just sit back and enjoy the show? Our entertainment is not based off of real-life accuracy; we find shows to be entertaining by feeding off of the drama/horror/etc. that occurs during the show. Yes but if every other thing that happens in the show is a 1 in a million thing it takes you out of the show and you just start muttering shit to yourself like "wtf" "yea right", it kills movies/shows. | ||
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Makenshi
Sweden2105 Posts
Oh and Boondock Saints norma, Daryl was awesome! Never thought how useful a modern crossbow would be, easy to reload, silent deadly, you can hunt with it and also you can get your ammo back.. most of the time I also liked that when they told him about the redneck they told him the truth to get his cooperation, better than him finding out they were making stuff up in 2 episodes and he'd xbow people in the back Oh! And at first i got really annoyed that the wifebeater was even allowed to be in the camp and he should've just been banished way earlier but the more i thought about it the more i liked that he's still there. It just means the world is just that fucked up that people really need to stick together no matter who retarded they are | ||
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