[Movie] Inception - Page 38

On November 11 2010 20:37 government delta wrote:
nolan is an awful director, who wants to watch 90% of a movie explaining the theory and idea of the movie youre watching

seriously did this movie even have any dialogue? lololol

But calling Nolan an awful director and grossly exaggerating like you

On November 11 2010 21:16 Stromming wrote:
It's a freaking complex idea, which Nolan then makes perfectly clear.

On November 11 2010 21:15 government delta wrote:

his failure as a director

On November 11 2010 21:40 Shockk wrote:


I won't argue about personal taste. If you don't like Nolan's movies, alright, your opinion.

However: You're not entitled to call his work a "failure" by any standard. His movies have won numerous awards (and made tons of money). They've usually been well received by professional critics and praised by moviegoers alike. He pretty much revived the Batman franchise which was left for dead after the horrible 90's films.

All the factors by which a directors work in general can be judged - financial success, critical acclaim, praise by fans - apply to Nolan.

Again, feel free to express your opinion. But don't go around spewing exaggerations based on your personal taste and completely ignoring someone's achievements.

On November 11 2010 21:53 government delta wrote:


lol what the hell is wrong with you. but okay, sorry for seeing movies as art for a second there i guess? i forgot that movies like this are business first.

(but seriously after seeing inception i felt very much entitled to drag nolan out on the street and shoot him, but i guess with his public image and fanboys like you who display that i really was wrong there with my opinion about it (WHAT) )

On November 11 2010 22:13 Malinor wrote:


It's pretty easy to see that you are the one that something is wrong with. You just make up your categorie of art based on your personal taste, Shockk on the other hand has a real argument based on somewhat objective criterias (commercial success, critical acclaim). You just don't like the movie. That's fine too.

On November 11 2010 22:13 Malinor wrote:


It's pretty easy to see that you are the one that something is wrong with. You just make up your categorie of art based on your personal taste, Shockk on the other hand has a real argument based on somewhat objective criterias (commercial success, critical acclaim). You just don't like the movie. That's fine too.

On November 11 2010 22:38 government delta wrote:


the movie just doesnt work, how can commercial success and critical acclaim lean into that factor? i mean obviously its because people are stupid and follow any hype like dogs and the simple truth that all recent hollywood movies are schlock that melted peoples brains so now it doesnt take a lot of spark to impress/confuse them (hey lets make a movie about that, people see a shitty cheap movie, get confused subconsciously and they interpret it as impressment - because theyre stupid - and hype the movie to death)
and a movie critique cant ever be objective, that would just end in a story resume.


but yeah okay youre right, because its not really worth fighting over it. inception is a great movie, nolan is the director of the century and batman kicks ass.

On November 11 2010 22:47 heishe wrote:


Wouldn't surprise me if this dude got nuked sometime soon. he's the most obvious troll I've seen in my entire life. nobody can be that retarded.

his writing is taken out of "trolling 101" : 1. make broad statements without even trying to prove them to anger people in the thread 2. play retard and respond with complete idiocy after someone disagrees with you. 3. state the supposed fact that everybody but you is an idiot and has no idea what they're talking about to further enrage people. 4. repeat steps 1-4 and use offensive language whenever possible (fuck, shit etc.)

just saw inception and MAN its bad, like not even just simple bad but really really fucking B A D. and the most annoying thing is when you wanna explain why its bad, because the movie overcomplicated the explanatory for its very simple, boring NONPLOT deails and ideas and layouts of concepts and thesisesseseseseseses and asses and shittes and whatever, just so that it looks cool and they hope no one notices or no one wants to complain because this movie just gives you so much shit to think about (but non important things, gah and thats what i hated the most, the film forced you to think about all that shit that didnt really matter but you have to because there seems nothing else going on)
i know this movie is like toprated and expected to be a very good deal of a film and its overhyped christopher nolan behind it all and yeah boboobobbobo but what the fuck, this film was just a big fuck you to its watcher
now the idea of the film was okay, like dreaming and going deeper and booboo but the actual story? man did that fail, i mean its really just a boring action movie (like okay for instance, theyre in a dream and one character like shoots a gun and another character mocks him like HEY DUDE WE'RE IN A DREAM WE CAN FUCK THINGS OVER and pulls out a grenade launcher and makes something go boom and thats it, like what the fuck, is that a mindfuck? no! a grenade launcher might be a cool weapon and shit but its just a higher caliber than the rifle from the other dude, so why is this impressive dream shit!?!? everyone said this movie is tripped out, i mean does the movie want me to be impressed with that? why didnt he turn into godzilla and lazorstomped the bad guys or something?? i mean seriously?? that was not impressive at all, he was just being a dick) with a seemingly complex plot when there really isnt one, the movie tries to make up for its lazy plot with constantly explaining shit that is only there to distract you from all the major flaws of the movie and its characters (everyone is a douchebag in this movie btw) and gives no impact on the plot, but fuck that, i dont even wanna complain about any of that because the movie failed to keep focus on important things
okay okay i can cut my concerns down to like 4 problems, thats enough, other than that the movie was fine (fine like in boring but fine), but those 4 problems are really major concerns and fucked the audience in the face in my opinion

1 - okay so this mission is like kinda dangerous, right? you might go coocoo when you come back and blabla okay roger, so gotta be careful, but when the japanese guy gets shot and they say hes lost why dont they just break up - okay they explain that, they gotta finish the mission, because thats the quickest and safest whatever way out, okok - but even when he actually dies they say this is the shit yo and i had a real problem with that, ok so the movie tells me they wanna just get out and the characters display that as gotta finish the mission, seems to make sense but it really doesnt, the japanese dude throws explosives and passes out or dies or whatever and now theyre like fuck lets just get out okok but then the architect girl says wow we can just follow him and get him back and finish the mission but he might be coocoo already, so okay alright yeah lets totally do that - and here i really had the fucking problem, why do they still golden the mission???? i mean come on, this mission is bullshit, one company just wants some market for itself and wants to get rid of its main competitor? like fuck, thats like yeah our main characters are actually the bad guys in this movie (which shouldnt be bad for a movie of course, but in this movie theyre the good guys i guess? so it makes no sense at all)
and in general i really had this problem, like for whats at stake in the story (the sanity of everyone involved in the plot) this mission really fucking did not seem to be worth the fucking risk, effort and ... danger (?)

fuck i hate explaining this shit so much, i try to cut everything unimportant out, but its still a good write up, so fuck next problem

2 - ehhhh why was dicaprio the only one with some sort of complex haunting him, why were no other characters chased by deceased family members in the dreams of others only to fuck the mission up (lol really! that was just plain ridiculous by the way, and thats so stupid but i dont even wanna complain about those aspects of the movie because there is simply not enough time, and there was a lot of bullshit like that, but that was kinda okay for the movie, just turn your brain off and its okay because this is a fantasy film right? right!)
okay now you say because he already went to the hades zone with his wife or whatever and spend 50 years there and because he is the mastermind and invented a lot of these dream mission techniques whatever, yeah okay that would be a good enough reason, but in context of the movie its just a big inconvenience, because he is the mastermind so he has issues, okay what about the expert dream thief forger guy, did he just make those skills without any sacrifice? his unusual expertise did go perfectly fine? yeeeeah ok why not, i mean its possible, but i really think the movie just told me -he is just a genius without personality- and thats true for all the fucking characters besides the main character, its like no one has anything going on but this dreaming shit and missions and no one seems to have dialogue in this film, its just explaining explaining explaining and explaining and explaining yeah fucking faceless statues acting in dumb sequences, and that was besically all the movie really and thats just booooring and yeah why do they go into dicaprios built world when they die in a dream? whyyyy because he is the main character (movie logic, bad logic) or because he came up with the techniques and just happened to be there (plot logic, appearantly good logic) - and really movie logic=plot logic, AND THATS THE THING, ITS THE SAME!!! AND THE FUCKING MOVIE TELLS YOU TO THINK ONE THING OF ANOTHER THING THATS ACTUALLY TRUE, i mean IS THIS FOR REAL? ARE YOU SHITTING ME?? this is like really really really bad and its kinda complicated to explain, but rather easy to break down - this movie tells its watcher that this movie is awesome and not being actually awesome. and thats just bonkerous, thats bad yeah that sucks ass O_o what the fuck, imdb 9.1 rating, voted by Inception Movie Cast and Crew

3 - ok so yeah the biggest problem that i had now, like okay his wife killed herself and left a note that it was he who killed her...and thats why he cant come back into the USA because cops would be waiting.
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really? you can do that? okay we saw her jumping (quote dicaprio "ew jesus" <- DUDE YOUR WIFE JUST JUMPED)
not only that, we saw the set up, they were supposed to meet in a hotel room for their anniversary, she would be waiting for him, but when he arrives he finds the place smashed and his wife is in another room (btw why? but nevermind, it wont get explained), he can see her from his window and she is about to jump and then jumps
and thats mindboggingly dumb. okay so we had a whole homicide unit at the scene down where she splashed on the ground and they found enough evidence to make a warrant for dicaprio, ignoring the various psychatric test results (mentioned in the film btw!) that proof she was crazy and questioning reality
ahahahah im sorry thats just plain stupid and fucking retarded ahhhh

4. okay so this is a minor thing i guess and its probably false because i missed something or whatever, but i tried thinking about it and it just didnt make sense
end of the movie, dicaprio lands and then theres the old guy waiting for him at the airport to get him to his kids..... like what?? okay, so the same dude got dicaprio the architect girl - like was that in the states then? i thought it was europe or something, like the whole chapter of the movie when he gets his team together??? but fuck me, it mustve been in the states then, and that doesnt make sense either because they say dicaprio cant go there and thats where the tension comes from when theyre on the plane, right? right right???? right? RIGHT???? soooo do i get it??? was there really no tension at all?
(oh yeah the last cut away was also a dig fucking let down, like you totally expect SOMETHING to happen and then just nothing does and it ends in peace perfect condition for everyone and everything? HEY THEY JUST TOTALLY FUCKED WITH THAT ONE GUYS BRAYNE, IS EVERYONE FUCKING OKAY WITH THAT????

argh i dont even wanna think about it any more, lets break it down. the movie just explains unimportant shit all over the place and thats all it does, we have a main character who centers the movie around him (ohhh i get it, the whole movie was just his dream all along, righhhht? that doesnt explain shit and even if, it doesnt make a fucking difference, then his dream was the movie and its still just a shitty movie overall) and we smell a big ego-bomb all the way through the movie and the movie distracts us with ideas and concepts, tries to visualize them and make them look astounding and then theres the length of the movie, like the whole story mission movie couldve been done in like 1 stargate episode, but this movie goes on for like two and a half hours just because it explains so much fucking shit, i wanted to scream at the movie like I DONT CARE! LETS GET TO THE ACTION! and it never really gets to the action and everything looking awesome in the movie is passed by rather shortly, i mean they talk like man when we go deeper and deeper time goes by slower and slower like its such a fucking big deal, if they wouldve said "in and out in 10 minutes screentime per depth level, but dont forget to add time to explain shit" (which it really just was, disappointly enough) it wouldnt have sounded awesome and intelligent to keep interest and the thing is, it wasnt really awesome and intelligent, just a big disappointment, because this movie really hypes its ideas about dreaming and visualizing that, so this is christopher nolan shit and i honestly was expecting something with impact, like someone dies or really fucking i dunno, just something mad, something more and this movies is just not that, i mean the batman movies were stupid but they were fun and now this is just fuck.

inception, no tension, no action, no story. dont forget stupid.


edit: forgot one really important thing. so okay the whole movie is exaggarated complex deep EXPLANATION of rather simple ideas and concepts. and a bit of science fiction. so okay. yeah. fine. but not at any point do they even mention the dream-join-up device what so fucking ever. they just have this case with them to hook up within another man's dream and they never mention how it works, not even in the slightest. whyyyy notttttt, this is science fiction, youre explaining how shit works, so GOD DAMN IT EXPLAIN THE FUCKING DEVICE PLEASE!! - i never really noticed during the movie because i was expecting to get it at some point and i was busy raging over so many things, but in retrospect this fact really pisses me off, THIS IS SCIENCE FICTION, EXPLAIN THE DEVICE OH COME ON FOR FUCKS SAKE x_______x

On November 11 2010 22:43 SleepSheep wrote:
... i find this statement of yours as well as shocks, laughable, disturbing, and nauseating. i don't mean this offensively, i say it respectfully, i'm just still surprised when i hear statements like this and i'm trying to make where i'm coming from as clear as possible.

i think this part sums it up perfectly:
"a real argument based on objective criterias (commercial success, critical acclaim)--"

On November 11 2010 22:57 Shockk wrote:


Since we're discussing about a meta-discussion sparked by a troll, I'll try to cut it short:

If you'd read my post you'd have noticed that I never claimed that Nolan's movies were great pieces of art because they're successful or regarded as good by others. I like the movies because I enjoyed them, liked the ideas, settings, the plots etc. I actually didn't mention the word "art" a single time.

I only came up with financial success and critical acclaim as a means to judge movies because our aforementioned troll judged the movies only in relation to his personal taste, which is just as bad a method of rating art. Saying "I don't like this, thus it's bad art" is just as wrong as claiming "Many people like it, so ist must be good art".