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Sticking to my day 1 predictions:
On January 21 2020 17:01 Ej_ wrote: EG VG Secret NaVi bc Aster TNC TL and, furthermore: Nigma iG
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Looks like i am not making it for the secret-fnatic series but hopefully i can still make it to the el classico
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Nisha keep getting clutch DD runes lol
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On January 22 2020 18:55 LennX wrote: Nisha keep getting clutch DD runes lol just pick morph mid and get 2 DDs, how hard is it u 3k noobers?
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This rune RNG is actual bullshit.
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Gyro first item diffusal is quite a sight.
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LOL he finds an Aquilla too.
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Gotta say, this game is more interesting than I expected :D
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clock agh is the worst ever upgrade. it is even worse than +200 damage on finger or laguna on dota1 or old OD upgrade.
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On January 22 2020 19:39 Snakesneaks wrote: clock agh is the worst ever upgrade. it is even worse than +200 damage on finger or laguna on dota1 or old OD upgrade. Have you already forgotten the Lycan aghs that fed gold?
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Just a lower cd and mana cost refresher. Clock has mana pool issues.
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Fnatic woke up hopefully?
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On January 22 2020 19:39 Snakesneaks wrote: clock agh is the worst ever upgrade. it is even worse than +200 damage on finger or laguna on dota1 or old OD upgrade.
Clock was my most played hero for a while, and I gotta say, I completely disagree with this. The cooldown reduction is a very big deal.
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When Gyro (aegis) was blown up something Eblade combo, how did Io survive there?
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sinister gaze is incredibly underrated
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DJ is a god amongst puny men of flesh.
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Fnatic won the 60 minute game 1 ? That is unexpected. Judging by this game i think Secret is gonna beat them this game and series.
This Fnatic roster might just be joining IG on the road to getting better and better.
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Uhm that just happened so this may not be over yet
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Gonna be the first to say this here, I really dislike the way this Secret lineup plays. It's like old school 4 protect 1, with their entire game plan resting entirely on enabling one hero, and it seems to be backfiring pretty heavily in this series especially. Like this ember on fnatic is not doing much of anything, but the position 1 on Secret is basically a reverse polarity bot anyway so it doesn't even matter, and then on top of that a pure support position 3.... meh.
Game 1 was the same, too -- slark being a complete nonfactor lost the game. Don't think MATUMBAMAN is a good fit for them at all.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA WTF IS SAVAGE DOING
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Ice blast into echo is still good
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Ok Fnatic that was super cocky fullagi by 23savage if he just left like 1k hp so that when he gets jumped by ES he doesnt fucking die on roshan
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why rosh, go for throne, space the team for no AA/echo
that's the worst decision they could have take and they did
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On January 22 2020 21:15 Faruko wrote: ok, secret lost ok, fnatic lost
they just went from 2-0ing them to possibly 2-1 by secret now lol
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As good as Fnatic was this tournament that was just cockiness just because MK is dead
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idk why they went for Rosh, they have no physical damage overall for something like rosh fast enough, they had enough time to throne them... MK was out for 100 seconds
the safe play wasnt going to play out in any possible way imo, they all bought back so even with aegis there was still the 5v4 potential.
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I don't understand how Fnatic has like 5 heroes that don't need to clump but still clump and get rp/curse/chainfrost all the time
Like seriously just buy forcestaffs and kite these idiots. They already euls, root and astral for stopping people
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Nisha is really good at knowing what to do at pretty much all time, that instant skewer to break tether was nice to see!
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LS with Heart and Halberd is hard to kill
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welcome to the new dota when nukes are useless because every hero is 3k hp
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And we have TNC vs Fnatic in the LB brackets
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Really good series tho Fnatic couldve won the series from game 2 multiple opportunities of it.
Either way massive improvement from their roster. If they keep the momentum as they are now they are already making it very difficult for a team like secret to win a series against them. That says alot
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Sorry fnatic. I blame myself. Everytime I get excited and tune in to support ice3, he disappoints....
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On January 22 2020 22:39 DucK- wrote: Sorry fnatic. I blame myself. Everytime I get excited and tune in to support ice3, he disappoints.... So long as they ruin the chemistry and they go full "so long as we growing" mentality or what most the best teams do now like "either we win or learn" mindset. I think this team is fine.
This is probably the strongest showcase of a fnatic roster in the recent years given how hardcore the top teams are nowadays. I believe so long they keep the momentum they are gonna look as good as IG
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I did not expect Fnatic-Secret to be competitive but here are my hopes that alliance-navi delivers since they are the hardest matchup to predict just by looking at their result this major
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i think Alliance is a bit better than Navi, BUT it's also still a developing patch, and it's hard to know if IG is better than EG so can't really take anything out of that... neither we will out of this game
I also hope both teams keep growing as it's exciting to see more teams getting better.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
This is the first time ever I'm watching Na'Vi vs Alliance and rooting for Alliance. The new team is really cool.
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How did Disruptor reach this power level? I dont understand...
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Not a good fight for NaVi.
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Well shit when i expect a even series i get a stomp. I expect a stomp i get a even series.
Navi pls
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I think the lack of a hero stealing streangth is a very big downside of Dota 2.
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On January 22 2020 23:20 Ej_ wrote: Sexy Silencer pick. That pick fucking killed all the potential navi draft had lol
Probably the best outdraft this tournament so far
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On January 22 2020 23:37 Ej_ wrote: I think the lack of a hero stealing streangth is a very big downside of Dota 2. Undying steals but doesnt do permanent steal
Pudge kinda gains strength doesnt steal tho but yes completely agree.
If we can have 4 types of hero spirit why not a strength stealing hero.
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On January 22 2020 23:39 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2020 23:37 Ej_ wrote: I think the lack of a hero stealing streangth is a very big downside of Dota 2. Undying steals but doesnt do permanent steal Pudge kinda gains strength doesnt steal tho but yes completely agree. If we can have 4 types of hero spirit why not a strength stealing hero. Oh Undying is my 3rd best hero, but I forgot about him.
I think the play for the next game is Slark 1, Silencer 2 and Undying 3 with aghs
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God i hope navi didnt just tilt and show a worse game 2.
I didnt get hyped for this kind of showcase
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That Silencer pick was brutal from Alliance. Hope NaVi can step up in game 2 as otherwise I will not be able to watch the Nigma series or at least not the first game. :D
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Sick draft and play by Alliance. And I always love a good core Silencer game, of course! :D
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On January 22 2020 23:39 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2020 23:37 Ej_ wrote: I think the lack of a hero stealing streangth is a very big downside of Dota 2. Undying steals but doesnt do permanent steal Pudge kinda gains strength doesnt steal tho but yes completely agree. If we can have 4 types of hero spirit why not a strength stealing hero.
Because u in theory can have heroes with negativ hp.
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On January 22 2020 23:58 Sapaio wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2020 23:39 goody153 wrote:On January 22 2020 23:37 Ej_ wrote: I think the lack of a hero stealing streangth is a very big downside of Dota 2. Undying steals but doesnt do permanent steal Pudge kinda gains strength doesnt steal tho but yes completely agree. If we can have 4 types of hero spirit why not a strength stealing hero. Because u in theory can have heroes with negativ hp. Good. Permakill.
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On January 22 2020 23:44 cecek wrote: Sick draft and play by Alliance. And I always love a good core Silencer game, of course! :D The flair is a big telltale xD Core silencers on proplay are rare that i enjoy it as well
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Ah fuck looks like alliance outdrafting navi again. Well we all can't have even series. One of them is gonna be onesided but i really hoped it was not this one
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On January 23 2020 00:06 goody153 wrote: Ah fuck looks like alliance outdrafting navi again. Well we all can't have even series. One of them is gonna be onesided but i really hoped it was not this one Ok the draft looks even-ish now with the final brew and qop pick
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Magical is having trouble in Lane against heroes he is not used too.
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ok, alliance fucked it up there real bad
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well at least this game is competitive and navi is fighting back hard
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Zayac has more farm than Pasha. Amazing game from him. Spectre is pretty squishy
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well navi probably has this game in the bag
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On January 23 2020 00:44 goody153 wrote: well navi probably has this game in the bag
Mm, sadly looks like that. Alliance can't get kills any more.
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alright hopefully 3rd game is a not onesided for either team
at least we know both teams can rock
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well, this kinda shows both teams are good and of similar level, is nice to see this tbh
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Vatican City State1573 Posts
that Eul from QoP change the game.. also wtf Niko ??
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On January 23 2020 00:48 Faruko wrote: well, this kinda shows both teams are good and of similar level, is nice to see this tbh this has been a thing since the minor where almost all teams are on the same level
last series we had fnatic almost 2-0ing secret with lategames barring their mistake
bodes well for the scene with no team above all
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On January 23 2020 00:48 sunrazgriz wrote: that Eul from QoP change the game.. also wtf Niko ?? Euls provided extra lockdown and dispel against the bat. It was a great (albeit probably obvious for them but not to me ) pickup by qop
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On January 23 2020 00:53 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2020 00:48 Faruko wrote: well, this kinda shows both teams are good and of similar level, is nice to see this tbh this has been a thing since the minor where almost all teams are on the same level last series we had fnatic almost 2-0ing secret with lategames barring their mistake bodes well for the scene with no team above all it does, maybe it's the patch? the extra rng? maybe not, but i dont really care.
Fnatic played really well, only VP went to shit imo (of all teams)
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On January 23 2020 00:55 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2020 00:53 goody153 wrote:On January 23 2020 00:48 Faruko wrote: well, this kinda shows both teams are good and of similar level, is nice to see this tbh this has been a thing since the minor where almost all teams are on the same level last series we had fnatic almost 2-0ing secret with lategames barring their mistake bodes well for the scene with no team above all it does, maybe it's the patch? the extra rng? maybe not, but i dont really care. Fnatic played really well, only VP went to shit imo (of all teams) Even TNC who is much much weaker than the lats major(since they won them lol) still had a fight in them. Then we have realityrift a supernew team like not get zeroed and actually play decently against the better teams.
Yeah whatever the case i like the rise of competitive-ness.
I just disliked those times where OG/secret/liquid/eg was just smashing any weaker team without much fight
VP kinda makes me sad. Feels like they will have a roster change soon for the better too probably
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In a true TI3-TI4 navi-alliance rivalry style. Both drafts have some classic lineup here.
Another even drafts. Lets go give us a great game 3
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On January 23 2020 00:45 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2020 00:44 goody153 wrote: well navi probably has this game in the bag Mm, sadly looks like that. Alliance can't get kills any more.
Feels the same.
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Tense game
Also SF shoudl have a way to turn off the minus armor aura. It just gives away his invis lol
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Navi should stop trying to kill the tree when obviously alliance have aegis and hunting lol
If this goes lategame tho drow-SF will crush alliance lineup. Just a few more items naix and puck will melt
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On January 23 2020 01:42 goody153 wrote: Navi should stop trying to kill the tree when obviously alliance have aegis and hunting lol
If this goes lategame tho drow-SF will crush alliance lineup. Just a few more items naix and puck will melt
Going to need hex or high level dagon on puck to keep up the damage.
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Ok that was amateur move by navi. Not clearing the shrine area for wards while camping there against a potential rosh standoff and now alliance gets rosh for free
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SF is such a do nothing but farm creeps hero.
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Ok alliance takes this game. Navi got super complacent from like 20 minutes up
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On January 23 2020 01:49 BlazingGlory wrote: SF is such a do nothing but farm creeps hero. It is kinda a jack of all trades hero like mix physical and magic dps.
I also havent seen a single requiem from magical at all. Requiem is a superb spell now i know it is against lifestealer and pick but it can turn the tide with fear and debuff
It is still a good hero that has a flashfarm capacity but it was pretty underwhelming overall this game. All 3 cores of alliance are good against it naturally
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
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Vatican City State1573 Posts
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I hope beastcoast at least puts up a fight. Obviously Nigma is probably gonna run over most lower bracket teams at this rate but hope they would make it fun
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what is this panel... Memeleague strikes again!
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Vatican City State1573 Posts
On January 23 2020 02:01 goody153 wrote: I hope beastcoast at least puts up a fight. Obviously Nigma is probably gonna run over most lower bracket teams at this rate but hope they would make it fun its kuro.. lower bracket is his ninja way
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On January 23 2020 02:07 Keardan wrote: what is this panel... Memeleague strikes again! memeleague was never gone :>
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I think bc got a good chance with this draft
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yeah i too
but not like this.
ok but like this xd
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Yaknow every other hero cant do phase or mobility shit while rooted. PL should not be an exception of that with his 2nd skill even storm can't use his ult when rooted and that is a bloody ult.
That would be a big solution the PL being too broken lategame since cleave heroes don't do shit to him anymore since MKB dont take away cleave fully and butterfly is a staple build to PL
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PL is such a stupid hero. There should not be a single that can literally solo carry the entire game alone even against an entire lineup that is drafted to counter him
Just make the 2nd skill not rootproof. Make PL's illusions take more damage (just his cause naga and TB illusions are already weak enough)
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Right click underlord quietly ticking along.
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Beastmaster, OD combo didn't work out. Failed ganks/splitting from BM into losing the map in mid game since he had nobody to gank with.
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Ok so Beastcoast crushed Nigma but i still think PL is such a stupid hero.
You should not be able to become unstoppable at some point even tho the entire draft is a counter against your hero.
And Beastcoast won by running them over in timings just picking crazy midgame heroes that murder everything
On January 23 2020 02:59 Yurie wrote: Right click underlord quietly ticking along. Tbf underlord can totally play rightclicker. He has everything from high attackspeed, damage (i have seen games with that hero over 1k damage without building rapiers or any pure damage items), tankability and reliable nuke/CC. Great allaround hero
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OD aghs lost them the game, since the first time he got silenced without bkb he wasn't ahero anymore. GGs to chris luck he handled them
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Lelis underlord definitely really great and most likely the mvp that game
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great performance by beastcoast, slapping nigma around with a standin (tho tbf the standin was arguably mvp that game)
I was a bit worried after they got routed by secret but they are unaffected and still playing great.
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I want an upset. We havent had that yet so i hope beastcoast takes the series.
Also the stand.in definitely overperformed that was just perfect play and itemization
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One of the few times where I have no one I really root for, but I always like an underdog story. May the best team win, though.
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On January 23 2020 03:18 Dracolich70 wrote: One of the few times where I have no one I really root for, but I always like an underdog story. May the best team win, though. Lets be real Nigma is winning so i am hoping Beastcoast pulls an upset.
Crazy teams like them that get big wins against a single top team can snowball crazy that is how Wings(or the new TNC and the new IG did relatively well like just enough momentum for the underdog) went on their crazy rise by a simple ESL minor tournament win into bigger and bigger wins till they won TI
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Did beastcoast just give PL again to the best team playing it ? Wth i don't think they have a decent answer this time like last game
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On January 23 2020 03:24 goody153 wrote: Did beastcoast just give PL again to the best team playing it ? Wth i don't think they have a decent answer this time like last game
If they have the same idea then they give them PL since it comes online too slowly.
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This wouldve been a great kunkka game for BC but it got banned
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On January 23 2020 03:26 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2020 03:24 goody153 wrote: Did beastcoast just give PL again to the best team playing it ? Wth i don't think they have a decent answer this time like last game If they have the same idea then they give them PL since it comes online too slowly. TA doesnt snowball and farm as fast broodmother tho(especially when behind) like TA can be shut down.
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On January 23 2020 03:29 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2020 03:26 Yurie wrote:On January 23 2020 03:24 goody153 wrote: Did beastcoast just give PL again to the best team playing it ? Wth i don't think they have a decent answer this time like last game If they have the same idea then they give them PL since it comes online too slowly. TA doesnt snowball and farm as fast broodmother tho(especially when behind) like TA can be shut down.
Was written before the TA pick. ^^
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w33 getting stomped mid, not unexpected though.
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damn, that networth looks awful for nigma
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It is almost 20 minutes and lelis has not taken top outpost since the 10th minute even though he couldve since the entire area is his
wtf is up with that
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I don't understand how BC is solo ahead with their cores when they literally died all the time the past 10 minutes.
They have no decent answer to PL tho so they have to push the issue soon
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Dreamleague cast is subpar. Recommend turning in to Gorgc stream, ceb is "casting" with gorgc
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best lich ever, jesus what a player
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Does two radiance stack ? Uhm both LS and Underlord are gonna buy it
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Are Underlord and Naix both building Radiance? Uh-oh.
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Ok Beastcoast is just going full pub mode without thought
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Yeah don't pick TA vs lina/pl/wyvern lol
Also just ban PL
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The funny thing is that beastcoast probably could have won that game with a bit of restraint early but they pushed too hard just a minute or two too early and looked like scrubs for doing so.
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disruptor mid? what is this
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Hector looks totally clueless on void.
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I think Nigma will loose this. Singlecore Naix will come to a point where he cant take fights anymore. The mid Disruptor might have looked funny at the start, but i think BC's draft will come together now in the midgame and it looks grim for Nigma.
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On January 23 2020 05:03 MintberryCrunchs wrote: I think Nigma will loose this. Singlecore Naix will come to a point where he cant take fights anymore. The mid Disruptor might have looked funny at the start, but i think BC's draft will come together now in the midgame and it looks grim for Nigma.
This Io will pew pew them all down with shared attacks. :p
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Hope GH's back is OK after all this carrying...
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Nigma really needs hex against the void. Can't kill him without a second CC.
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It was the problem from midgame onwards - whenever Nigma got a good fight going, they immediately overextend and feed kills afterwards, so they are never able to really benefit from the small advantages that they where able to make. They are so much more proficient on playing strong teamfight and lategame lineups, this early timing style just isnt their strenght right now.
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beautiful performance by beastcoast
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ggwp! too bad for Nigma but wp BeastCoast!
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that was an absolute pleasure to watch. I'm so glad some teams are still willing to put heroes in relatively unfamiliar roles. "Support" mids can be quite powerful.
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GG Beastcoast were the better team today.
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I ain't even mad, bc played well game 3
And the big draft pivots for disruptor mid working out is always a win in my book
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"revenge for envy" lmao gorc and ceb are so confused why hector even said that like they had to dig liquipedia for the panda matches lol
(envy got knocked out by nigma on minors that is some weird shit to say hector lol)
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Those final fights look so confusing but great upset by Beastcoast
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Well deserved win. Beating Nigmas PL and Io...other teams did not manage to do this.
But hell what an awful performance from MC and W33 throughout that series. That dive at top tier 2 after you have just won a teamfight, again the fights at enemy shrine...they will never learn it apparently. Disappointing after the minor success and promising group stage, but hope they will be able to qualify now for the next major without going the route via the minor.
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ok time to switch stream to avoid the cringy unfunny shit.
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GGs' BC; pretty epic games.
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BC is looking better for each tournament, the players has some skill. Feel like MC is less stable now.
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My man Tide finally picked.
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Had to leave just before the finish of Nigma and beastcoast. Happy to see they pulled it off.
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Oh man, after getting sleepy really early I check back here ... and there is absolutely no mention of the iG-Aster game! Everyone left after Nigma loosing :D
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On January 23 2020 16:32 Geisterkarle wrote: Oh man, after getting sleepy really early I check back here ... and there is absolutely no mention of the iG-Aster game! Everyone left after Nigma loosing :D I fell asleep watching it, it was quite late in the middle of the week
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