I honestly feel sad whenever i know the state of sc2 and broodwar. I mean i love watching the pros and the pros clearly what they're doing too but only 1-2 guys are getting good money at it.

At least on dota 2 no matter how hardcore it seems. If you evne managed to get to TI. You are getting shit ton of money

yeah, but my point is that part of the lack of new talent incoming is that the journey to getting good enough to make it to TI is really difficult and unrewarding for a long time, which means that there's less new blood coming in, which is why the top players stay largely the same imo. not anything to do with a change in the skill cap due to an increased number of variables.

SpiritoftheTunA

United States20903 Posts

August 25 2019 05:24 GMT

#530

greaves huskar was the secret underutilized shit while it was still better

Kuroeeah

11696 Posts

August 25 2019 05:24 GMT

#531

fucking liquid and their smokes i swear

babysimba

10466 Posts

August 25 2019 05:24 GMT

#532

On August 25 2019 14:23 Elurie wrote:
I don't even know what items Huskar buys anymore. Is he gonna be a utility carrier for his team?

Anything that reduces physical damage. He doesn't lack dmg at 25

lolfail9001

Russian Federation40190 Posts

August 25 2019 05:24 GMT

#533

On August 25 2019 14:24 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
greaves huskar was the secret underutilized shit while it was still better

Ah, the 6.84 meme build of greaves+solar crest stacking huskar.

goody153

44206 Posts

August 25 2019 05:24 GMT

#534

On August 25 2019 14:24 Nocticate wrote:

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You can treat it as one. In my book, the more variables there are in game, the more random outcome gets.

what do you even mean by more variables? is this just a dusty "bounty runes and talents are bad for the game" take?

Not "bad", just "random".

But more variables doesn't mean just more randomness, but a higher skill cap. Rock-paper-scissors is random without many variables. Poker has more variables but is actually less random if I understand it correctly, because high level players can work with the variables while noobs can't.

Right, but this eventually becomes a problem for keeping things competitive. The higher the cap, the fewer people will be able to hit it, and so the smaller your pool of viable "top tier" players becomes. Arguably the similarity of the top teams between TI8/TI9 suggests Dota is close to maxing out its cap for maintaining a reasonable competitive scene... but at the same time there are so few professional games played, relatively speaking, that it would be ridiculous to say we can make that statement confidently. But if the results next year through the next year are as similar, maybe we get more confident about that guess.

part of the issue is that dota does not really have a very vital player base. and, skill cap for highest achievement aside, the level of commitment necessary to even qualify for TI is absurd compared to other games.

Idk have you seen broodwar and sc2 scene? They completely quit in life just to compete and they don't even gain that much money

wo essentially dead comp scenes? kinda proves the point.

There's actually still alot of new blood. Actually too many. All dominating team has a new blood from the past like 2-3 years.