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Newbee losing yesterday puts the loser bracket in a huge mess in group B
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its cute that either Kinguin or Fnativc will be guarenteed top 6
I wish Kinguin did well, they've been together since 2015? and this time in their homecrowd.
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Yeah, thank you bo1 system... xD
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i'm excited for secret vs lgd (well it's the most high level match this day)
there's close unpredictable matches though like og vs mineski , navi vs newbee and fnatic-kinguin
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On February 21 2018 19:21 goody153 wrote:
i'm excited for secret vs lgd (well it's the most high level match this day)
there's close unpredictable matches though like og vs mineski , navi vs newbee and fnatic-kinguin
I would argue NaVi Newbee, but Newbee lost to Kinguin yesterday so... yeah...
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Wait Newbee added a silver star to their jacket/logo to denote runner up in a major TT jesus don't do that! Gold star for winning it yes im all about that, but don't celebrate second place please?
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On February 21 2018 19:48 Pandemona wrote:
Wait Newbee added a silver star to their jacket/logo to denote runner up in a major TT jesus don't do that! Gold star for winning it yes im all about that, but don't celebrate second place please?
their stuff is so good looking tho
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On February 21 2018 19:52 Pontual wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 19:48 Pandemona wrote:
Wait Newbee added a silver star to their jacket/logo to denote runner up in a major TT jesus don't do that! Gold star for winning it yes im all about that, but don't celebrate second place please? their stuff is so good looking tho
Yeah but as a Brazilian no doubt you are a football fan, can you imagine putting a silver star alongside those beautiful 4 gold stars on the national shirt 
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On February 21 2018 19:59 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 19:52 Pontual wrote:On February 21 2018 19:48 Pandemona wrote:
Wait Newbee added a silver star to their jacket/logo to denote runner up in a major TT jesus don't do that! Gold star for winning it yes im all about that, but don't celebrate second place please? their stuff is so good looking tho Yeah but as a Brazilian no doubt you are a football fan, can you imagine putting a silver star alongside those beautiful 4 gold stars on the national shirt
I agree that's weird and kinda out of touch, but its not a major thing, Newbee players may not even know about it
5 stars btw
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Yes i don't know why i typed four, sorry!
EG vs Infamous draft on. No KOTL thank you jesus.
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Redeye is savage this morning. Haha
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This is actually looking pretty ok for Na'Vi. They're a bit behind all positions, but it's just a couple hundred each. And they have track, if they get two good fights, they could run away with the game.
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the clock on the right is so wrong. it says Newbee 18.00 (my time) while the score is already 7:6
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On February 21 2018 20:32 cecek wrote:
This is actually looking pretty ok for Na'Vi. They're a bit behind all positions, but it's just a couple hundred each. And they have track, if they get two good fights, they could run away with the game.
That's the first fight right there.
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ROFL infamous are awful wtf lol. Rtc running solo 1vs3 in enemy base whilst his team pushing T4 and got a triple kill lol
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Faith trying hard to prevent Newbee from throwing this.
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Faith with a 5-man, own-team Chrono.
Don't see that often, haha.
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Pretty heartbreaking end to that game. 
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oh wow EG - Inf ended in 21 min long 6-8 score game
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How Dk got through the last pick that game
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On February 21 2018 20:47 Vertical wrote:
oh wow EG - Inf ended in 21 min long 6-8 score game
Well Omni Wisp Rubick just won hard vs the Tiny AA lane, NS roamed and achieved 1 kill? Rtc 1v1 lane vs a Brew who also left the lane after minute 7? Rtc had 15 min Radiance and Fear equalled mid vs the PL. EG just then got Aegis and walked them down pretty much was very weird form Infamous lol.
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WTF who picks Chen into Gyro line up xDDD
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On February 21 2018 20:57 Pandemona wrote:
WTF who picks Chen into Gyro line up xDDD
Someone not that concerned about going late game.
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On February 21 2018 21:01 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 20:57 Pandemona wrote:
WTF who picks Chen into Gyro line up xDDD Someone not that concerned about going late game.
picking medusa without concerned going late?
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Well the Medusa idea is just to get him MOM so they can siege a tower probably and some levels. Puck and Tiny are the jump in and control this game? Just i hate Chen into Gyro its a pet hate.
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On February 21 2018 21:03 Vertical wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 21:01 Taf the Ghost wrote:On February 21 2018 20:57 Pandemona wrote:
WTF who picks Chen into Gyro line up xDDD Someone not that concerned about going late game. picking medusa without concerned going late?
If things go badly and its goes late, EG still will have a solid draft, but Chen brings push, heal & a zoo. EG aren't on a "timer", but they probably expect to win around 30 minutes in.
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Haha EG have big TA problems now XD
Oh wait i forget Infamous are awful....ignore me xD
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In the Navi vs Newbee side of things, Newbee has a draft advantage to the point I'm not sure how Navi kills anyone after 30 minutes. Unless Weaver gets completely out of control.
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This tusk is beyond awful
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Sumail godlike puck plays <3
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Just survive early game and you win late game vs inf. They will throw at some point with shit itemization or positioning just like yesterday vs secret. Peru teams have no hope in dota, Brazilian teams are the ones that have potential in SA.
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why is moogy going aghs first on gyro
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On February 21 2018 21:29 goody153 wrote:
why is moogy going aghs first on gyro
A few Gyros have recently. Apparently it's a big, quick DPS boost?
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feels bad for Na'Vi
they were quite competitive early in the season, and now this
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On February 21 2018 21:30 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 21:29 goody153 wrote:
why is moogy going aghs first on gyro A few Gyros have recently. Apparently it's a big, quick DPS boost?
the mini stun is essentially a right click right ? before i thought people only pick that item up with combination of satanic
how much is the interval between the mini attacks?
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On February 21 2018 21:31 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 21:30 Taf the Ghost wrote:On February 21 2018 21:29 goody153 wrote:
why is moogy going aghs first on gyro A few Gyros have recently. Apparently it's a big, quick DPS boost? the mini stun is essentially a right click right ? before i thought people only pick that item up with combination of satanic
I'm not quite sure specifically why, but since this isn't the first time recently, there's clearly some value to it. Blink cancels?
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1.1s interval. Feels like a trash item when you can invest that 4k gold into more dps for your 9 flak cannon shots.
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On February 21 2018 21:34 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 21:31 goody153 wrote:On February 21 2018 21:30 Taf the Ghost wrote:On February 21 2018 21:29 goody153 wrote:
why is moogy going aghs first on gyro A few Gyros have recently. Apparently it's a big, quick DPS boost? the mini stun is essentially a right click right ? before i thought people only pick that item up with combination of satanic I'm not quite sure specifically why, but since this isn't the first time recently, there's clearly some value to it. Blink cancels?
gyro attack animation is almost instantaneous and he has 1st skill that cancels better
it's also only effective on 1v1's ?
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On February 21 2018 21:35 babysimba wrote:
1.1s interval. Feels like a trash item when you can invest that 4k gold into more dps for your 9 flak cannon shots.
i know it is pretty good with satanic but that's a late game scenario where gyro has the damage for it
otherwise it seems a waste at the start
edit: actually if i think about it gyro kinda beats anybody 1v1 with the aghs pickup on this game
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you would think after all the years that navi would know how to play the hide and seek game when they're behind
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I usually think about rapier or refresher for double satanic bkb flaks if I reach late game as gyro.
Yea Moogy goes for maelstrom which is the only viable synergy for aghs. But it seems so counter intuitive when you can just invest in raw dps in your 100% splash damage skill.
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Sccc dragon knight dragon skin is sooooo pretty :3
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On February 21 2018 21:38 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 21:35 babysimba wrote:
1.1s interval. Feels like a trash item when you can invest that 4k gold into more dps for your 9 flak cannon shots. i know it is pretty good with satanic but that's a late game scenario where gyro has the damage for it otherwise it seems a waste at the start edit: actually if i think about it gyro kinda beats anybody 1v1 with the aghs pickup on this game
I'd assume someone has done a lot of number crunching and it's some combination of improved farming efficiency, team fight damage and other benefits.
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newbee is not playing subpar anymore though still not as good as they look on their best form
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stop stop, they already died
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lil felt like the most underwhelming player ever, i thought he at least could captain/draft but it seems he hasn't been given that chance
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Is the schedule correct that it's gonna take almost 2 hours before the next game ?
On February 21 2018 21:48 Pontual wrote:
lil felt like the most underwhelming player ever, i thought he at least could captain/draft but it seems he hasn't been given that chance
not sure but did navi give him a chance before ? I think this is his 2nd joining of the roster
I remember a time where navi had been hiring and firing captains left and right.
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The loser bracket is so hard now, only one team out of Newbee/EG going to make it through, plus could be even harder when probably LGD drop down to the mix.
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On February 21 2018 21:51 goody153 wrote:Is the schedule correct that it's gonna take almost 2 hours before the next game ? Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 21:48 Pontual wrote:
lil felt like the most underwhelming player ever, i thought he at least could captain/draft but it seems he hasn't been given that chance not sure but did navi give him a chance before ? I think this is his 2nd joining of the roster I remember a time where navi had been hiring and firing captains left and right.
 Lil
Per LP, he's never been with Na'Vi before. Was with VP for most of 4 years. (In different VP forms.)
Dendi was doing the drafting this LAN, but there wasn't a lot anyone could do with that second draft. The BH meta seems dead already, and Newbee made 3 really tanky last picks. Na'Vi wasn't going to find enough damage after their first 3 picks.
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On February 21 2018 21:56 Pandemona wrote:
The loser bracket is so hard now, only one team out of Newbee/EG going to make it through, plus could be even harder when probably LGD drop down to the mix.
wouldn't say probably, LGD isn't that far off from beating the top teams imo
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On February 21 2018 21:57 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 21:51 goody153 wrote:Is the schedule correct that it's gonna take almost 2 hours before the next game ? On February 21 2018 21:48 Pontual wrote:
lil felt like the most underwhelming player ever, i thought he at least could captain/draft but it seems he hasn't been given that chance not sure but did navi give him a chance before ? I think this is his 2nd joining of the roster I remember a time where navi had been hiring and firing captains left and right. LilPer LP, he's never been with Na'Vi before. Was with VP for most of 4 years. (In different VP forms.) Dendi was doing the drafting this LAN, but there wasn't a lot anyone could do with that second draft. The BH meta seems dead already, and Newbee made 3 really tanky last picks. Na'Vi wasn't going to find enough damage after their first 3 picks.
Probably mixed him up with vanskor lol
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On February 21 2018 22:08 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 21:57 Taf the Ghost wrote:On February 21 2018 21:51 goody153 wrote:Is the schedule correct that it's gonna take almost 2 hours before the next game ? On February 21 2018 21:48 Pontual wrote:
lil felt like the most underwhelming player ever, i thought he at least could captain/draft but it seems he hasn't been given that chance not sure but did navi give him a chance before ? I think this is his 2nd joining of the roster I remember a time where navi had been hiring and firing captains left and right. LilPer LP, he's never been with Na'Vi before. Was with VP for most of 4 years. (In different VP forms.) Dendi was doing the drafting this LAN, but there wasn't a lot anyone could do with that second draft. The BH meta seems dead already, and Newbee made 3 really tanky last picks. Na'Vi wasn't going to find enough damage after their first 3 picks. Probably mixed him up with vanskor lol
Pretty much everyone in CIS seems like they'd been on Na'Vi, so that's an easy mistake to make.
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lgd isn't playing proactive
how is the og-mineski ? is it much closer ?
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euls-dagger is pretty much useless tbh
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On February 21 2018 22:42 goody153 wrote:
lgd isn't playing proactive
how is the og-mineski ? is it much closer ?
LGD still has some pretty crazy damage potential with TB reflection on Luna and Beastmaster
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On February 21 2018 22:44 spudde123 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 22:42 goody153 wrote:
lgd isn't playing proactive
how is the og-mineski ? is it much closer ? LGD still has some pretty crazy damage potential with TB reflection on Luna and Beastmaster
TB still can turn everything around but Maybe sf went useless itemization
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Ugh that was a bad turn of events for Mineski
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TB reflection will have ET aura, luna glaives, bm aura. Maybe still deserve to lose this with this shit build.
Meanwhile Mski is getting run over by lycan, literally no damage against underlord aura and crimson
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yeah lgd is just not playing proactive
it's kinda disappointing
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overvalued LGD based on VG i guess
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Good dodging by og but this game is more on mineski for their stupid feed train.
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Iceiceice looks like he's been up for 36 hours. Or stoned.
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On February 21 2018 22:55 babysimba wrote:
TB reflection will have ET aura, luna glaives, bm aura. Maybe still deserve to lose this with this shit build.
Meanwhile Mski is getting run over by lycan, literally no damage against underlord aura and crimson
they got run over by lycan because of their stupid decisions. these calls by jabz are straight up weird. it's not items fault that they just run a feed train over and over until OG gets back in the game.
it feels like mineski just has one strat up their sleeves and they just pick that over and over. i think every other games, they got destroyed by their opponents. either they are one trick pony or they just honed 1 or 2 strats only. same supports every 2nd game.
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Ace spirit breaker lol
edit: nvm they swap
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maybe with that easy triplekill ult
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interesting draft from secret to say the least lol
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As much as I want Mineski to win, I kind of hope they lose so they don't get any DPC points and maybe Fnatic can get ahead of them (although I put the odds of Fnatic getting any DPC points this tourney at ~5%)
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I dont understand BH meta.
Shuriken is a good nuke but Jinada and Shadow walk are straight useless in most fight.
This hero doesnt deal a lot of damage, no escape, no heal no stun no silence ....
When you compare him to other pos 4 hero, i dont get why BH is picked.
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At what point do you take +5 skeletons and skeleton damage, honestly? 15 str and no mana needed for ulti are about 1 gazillion times better talents no matter whether you are a hard carry or hard support.
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On February 22 2018 00:00 Tegenaria wrote:
I dont understand BH meta.
Shuriken is a good nuke but Jinada and Shadow walk are straight useless in most fight.
This hero doesnt deal a lot of damage, no escape, no heal no stun no silence ....
When you compare him to other pos 4 hero, i dont get why BH is picked.
Odds are it was winning scrims in the lead up because no one had played against him in a while. A lot of shadowblades are winning in the recent patches, so just an invis + teamfighting hero has strength. Everyone, however, is just adjusting around it. Mostly in shutting down the power of his early game roaming.
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On February 22 2018 00:01 midou wrote:
At what point do you take +5 skeletons and skeleton damage, honestly? 15 str and no mana needed for ulti are about 1 gazillion times better talents no matter wether you are a hard carry or hard support.
if you're really desperate for building damage and you trust the skellingtons to not run off to farm jungle when you're trying to push, which is like less than 1 in 10,000 of games
or you're memeing
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i hope the fnatic-kinguin and liquid-optic will be up soon and the time for matches on the sidebar are lies
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On February 22 2018 00:12 goody153 wrote:
i hope the fnatic-kinguin and liquid-optic will be up soon and the time for matches on the sidebar are lies
This round started over an hour early, I believe, so I would assume so.
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On February 22 2018 00:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 00:12 goody153 wrote:
i hope the fnatic-kinguin and liquid-optic will be up soon and the time for matches on the sidebar are lies This round started over an hour early, I believe, so I would assume so.
don't wanna wait too long it's close to midnight here
also can we please have close matches .. all have been one-sided so far(well i did not watch mineski-og)
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On February 22 2018 00:17 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 00:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:On February 22 2018 00:12 goody153 wrote:
i hope the fnatic-kinguin and liquid-optic will be up soon and the time for matches on the sidebar are lies This round started over an hour early, I believe, so I would assume so. don't wanna wait too long it's close to midnight here also can we please have close matches .. all have been one-sided so far(well i did not watch mineski-og)
mineski is making the current game close, only 1 OG hero has buyback rn and reso just died without it
e: notail just died too, mineski has 2 minutes with DK+DP ult to go end game/take megas
e2: game 3 incoming, mineski takes it
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Can Reso just stop fucking feeding. He lost them the Bo1 against VG too with his overaggressiveness.
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On February 22 2018 00:17 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 00:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:On February 22 2018 00:12 goody153 wrote:
i hope the fnatic-kinguin and liquid-optic will be up soon and the time for matches on the sidebar are lies This round started over an hour early, I believe, so I would assume so. don't wanna wait too long it's close to midnight here also can we please have close matches .. all have been one-sided so far(well i did not watch mineski-og)
Kinguin working against you
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huh mineski made a comeback and they're going for a game 3
On February 22 2018 00:29 spudde123 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 00:17 goody153 wrote:On February 22 2018 00:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:On February 22 2018 00:12 goody153 wrote:
i hope the fnatic-kinguin and liquid-optic will be up soon and the time for matches on the sidebar are lies This round started over an hour early, I believe, so I would assume so. don't wanna wait too long it's close to midnight here also can we please have close matches .. all have been one-sided so far(well i did not watch mineski-og) https://twitter.com/_adamdota/status/966332891969048576Kinguin working against you
damn it kinguin !
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that was such a nice DK game from mushi. it's like he knew what to do all game.
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On February 22 2018 00:30 goody153 wrote:
huh mineski made a comeback and they're going for a game 3
picked off s4+notail and made them buyback, then caught reso when he was going for an invis wraparound and made him buyback too for the defense
then OG tried to go end the game top and lost reso+notail because reso was diving and lost
strong throw tbh
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On February 22 2018 00:29 spudde123 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 00:17 goody153 wrote:On February 22 2018 00:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:On February 22 2018 00:12 goody153 wrote:
i hope the fnatic-kinguin and liquid-optic will be up soon and the time for matches on the sidebar are lies This round started over an hour early, I believe, so I would assume so. don't wanna wait too long it's close to midnight here also can we please have close matches .. all have been one-sided so far(well i did not watch mineski-og) https://twitter.com/_adamdota/status/966332891969048576Kinguin working against you
Penalty incoming
But seriously, hope it starts soon
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ALRIGHT FNATIC LET'S DO IT
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Tidehunter is such a good hero now, hopefully Uni can play just as well on it as he did yesterday
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Analysts don't figure out the real reason why Mineski is picking ES. OG are an illusion/lycan based team, what support counters this?
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I hope Abed goes physical damage Ember
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On February 22 2018 00:56 plasmidghost wrote:
I hope Abed goes physical damage Ember
who even goes physical ember nowadays
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Why didn't Jabz jump in right after throwing his Fissure? What a misplay.
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That was SO BAD by Mineski. They could've had a full 5 man shaker combo into blackhole, but they hesitated and instead killed nobody and fed on two heroes. Hurt to watch.
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Fnatic smashing Kinguin easily in game 1
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May the era of Dragon Knight end soon (and brutally), please...
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how did kinguin beat newbee yesterday cause fnatic just beat them and probably the the most one-sided match this day
this is why i don't like b01's
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On February 22 2018 01:24 goody153 wrote:
how did kinguin beat newbee yesterday cause fnatic just beat them and probably the the most one-sided match this day
this is why i don't like b01's
Cheese draft.
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On February 22 2018 01:24 goody153 wrote:
how did kinguin beat newbee yesterday cause fnatic just beat them and probably the the most one-sided match this day
this is why i don't like b01's
Kinguin has beat good teams in past LANs too, but then they can struggle online against mediocre EU teams. I haven't followed them that closely but I'd assume they are good with pretty specific playstyles and when they have to play differently they struggle.
Fnatic's 1st pick Razor seems pretty good against them because they like the Omni/Abaddon/Tide type offlaners quite often
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On February 22 2018 01:24 goody153 wrote:
how did kinguin beat newbee yesterday cause fnatic just beat them and probably the the most one-sided match this day
this is why i don't like b01's
Newbee played pretty bad yesterday.
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God Mineski can you please just fucking win something.
I'm getting sick of all the potential and none of the results. You're gonna lose your spot at TI, win the qualifier, go out at 12-16, and break my fucking heart
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I think Abed Storm is gonna completely dominate this game
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On February 22 2018 01:51 plasmidghost wrote:
I think Abed Storm is gonna completely dominate this game
Against DK + Aphotic Shield? Ehhhhhh.
The supports are definitely food though.
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Fnatic is outplaying Kinguin pretty nicely in skirmishes. They need to get these sort of fights, otherwise Kinguin will just farm a bit and then 5 man with LD, DK and Abaddon
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are there any more matches happening after the optic/liquid series? or are they all scheduled for tomorrow
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On February 22 2018 02:02 nVme wrote:
are there any more matches happening after the optic/liquid series? or are they all scheduled for tomorrow
Nope, there were/will be 6 bo3 today, most of them were stomps except OG vs Mineski.
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envy already caught up and close to radiance .. good work from fnatic with all the aggression
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looking like vg, secret, lgd, and liquid moving on
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Kinguin 5 man happening now, next fight can easily decide the game
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uhh fnatic just gave away their entire lead by doing nothing and letting kinguin let them get objective not even contesting
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On February 22 2018 02:13 goody153 wrote:
uhh fnatic just gave away their entire lead by doing nothing and letting kinguin let them get objective not even contesting
Kinguin lineup is really hard to fight into when they get to this point and they just run around as 5. Not sure Fnatic could have done anything after Kinguin managed to sneak the rosh
Also this has been a really underwhelming Naix pick. I don't think the hero can do anything in these fights, and he even had a bad lane
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Yeah, DK is pretty good against Storm.
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rofl fnatic playing scared suddenly then after giving alot of objectives without fighting back despite the lead now gave up an entire lead
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i don't even know what's the naix pick is supposed to accomplish lol
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On February 22 2018 02:17 goody153 wrote:
rofl fnatic playing scared suddenly then after giving alot of objectives without fighting back despite the lead now gave up an entire lead
The "suddenly" was LD radiance and DK getting aegis. Gold numbers alone can be pretty deceptive. Fnatic has a really hard time fighting Kinguin
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In the other game, Lisash with 4 bracers on AA, I love it. :D
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On February 22 2018 02:01 spudde123 wrote:
Fnatic is outplaying Kinguin pretty nicely in skirmishes. They need to get these sort of fights, otherwise Kinguin will just farm a bit and then 5 man with LD, DK and Abaddon
Nice prediction !
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this was a difficult storm game but with the lead they had they should've contested when kinguin was doing the 5 man group ups while they were weaker but they started contesting when they already had plenty of gold from the objectives
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seems like a pure outclass of optic by liquid, not that I was really surprised
I hope Kinguin wins game 3 :D
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Storm did quite a lot of work with KotL giving him mana early on but he can't kill people when Kinguin gets to their group up phase and Storm doesn't have BKB yet (and he wasn't even going for it next). Also the Naix never became any sort of a threat to anyone. Not sure if Fnatic could have done anything differently in the lanes to help him early on, probably not because Brew and Storm both needed help.
This sort of 5 man lineup is sort of exactly what springs to mind when I think of Kinguin at least. Before they've done it also with some Tide, Ogre+Dusa etc
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I thought Storm would snowball to victory but LD and DK too strong
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On February 22 2018 02:31 spudde123 wrote:
Storm did quite a lot of work with KotL giving him mana early on but he can't kill people when Kinguin gets to their group up phase and Storm doesn't have BKB yet (and he wasn't even going for it next). Also the Naix never became any sort of a threat to anyone. Not sure if Fnatic could have done anything differently in the lanes to help him early on, probably not because Brew and Storm both needed help.
This sort of 5 man lineup is sort of exactly what springs to mind when I think of Kinguin at least. Before they've done it also with some Tide, Ogre+Dusa etc
You have to slightly sack Brew in that scenario. LS already does poorly against DK and Abaddon, and he's all but useless versus them when behind in farm.
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Liquid is at least two tiers above OpTic, this game isn't even close
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Best team in the world meets a T2 team. Draft analysis is meaningless.
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"And this game is well and truly Secret's"
Nice closing words by Tobi there lul
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We'll see how the rest of the draft goes but I like that Fnatic took Warlock so they are guaranteed an easier 5v5 teamfight in his game
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I like Fnatic's support duo here, plus they're banning out the tankier cores on Kinguin's side
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Fnatic is really going in on this teamfight, plus they banned all three cores they lost to last game lol
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I think Fnatic wins this game pretty convincingly, although Kinguin can probably burst down any one member of Fnatic at most points in the game once Beastmaster gets necro
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Beastmaster trying to dodge the Tide 1v1, Tide just follows him around -> PLD has a 1v0 lane bottom for the first minute lol
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I really don't like that Fnatic's doing aggro tri, Clock should be romaing around to get stuff done, but at least Uni's doing really well. They really need to help out Abed though
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This game's not looking good for Fnatic
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And they left Abed alone against Tiny, that is 45/19 against OD's 28/5 in CS. You can't leave any hero alone against Tiny.
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Uni rushing greaves is the right call, they desperately need thee sustain
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And the courier had Uni's mek on there, good lord
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DJ has been doing work after getting 6
Fnatic's teamfight is so good that I think they will eventually take this
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Now that the teamfight is up, Fnatic desperately need some towers
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On February 22 2018 03:08 plasmidghost wrote:
Now that the teamfight is up, Fnatic desperately need some towers
Their push isn't that fast and Kinguin has good heroes to draw the creeps away. It's not that easy for Fnatic to just run at towers.
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Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
PPD finally back to out drafting people?!
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Why is 33 and zai constantly switching between pos 3 and 4?
I remember zai owned on brood
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Yeah, this game's looking pretty over for Fnatic
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Okay that Rosh play was really good, thank god Fnatic got the aegis
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Abed possibly saving the game with that rosh steal. That pickoff on EE top and then later getting Universe too was almost game winning for Kinguin
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Abed just won them the game with that
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optic putting up more of a fight than EG did at genting
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On February 22 2018 03:10 Pandemona wrote:
PPD finally back to out drafting people?!
Uh? They let Liquid to pick TB, they are just delaying the loss in this game. :D
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VS and tiny will fall off and Fnatic will seal the game with double bkbs
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United States15275 Posts
Kinguin choking hard under pressure.
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Uni buyback into ravage was so clutch, I think that just tipped the game for Fnatic
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On February 22 2018 03:23 babysimba wrote:
VS and tiny will fall off and Fnatic will seal the game with double bkbs
Tiny with VS and Beast on his team is definitely more scary than just regular Tiny without good synergy heroes. Especially when he is top networth.
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Fnatic need to force a fight now, they're going to lose a farming game
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Horrible play by KGN in the end.
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lmfao classic EE finish to the game
He died really fast to the Tiny and the situation looked a bit hairy when Tiny started to throw them into the fountain
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Really unnecessary rapier pickup. EE trying hard to throw wtf lol
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I come back to see optic winning a game against liquid. Is this real life? Don't throw it, boys!
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On February 22 2018 03:35 babysimba wrote:
Really unnecessary rapier pickup. EE trying hard to throw wtf lol
Yea I really don't think it was needed either. He wanted to end the game with that aegis but because the t2s were up on the sidelanes they were forced to go for the throne straight away instead of just taking megas and against Tiny toss and VS swap it can be pretty scary
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Now it's time to cheer for OpTic #GreenWall
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You guys still think that Optic will win this? Let's see, I highly doubt it. 
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It looks like Optic can't finish the game.
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fnatic won the series but that was disappointing from their game 3 .. though they had a teamfight cooldown draft they need to be as consistent as they were during the 1st and early 2nd game if they wanted to contend against the better teams like secret
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On February 22 2018 03:35 babysimba wrote:
Really unnecessary rapier pickup. EE trying hard to throw wtf lol
lol no, the diving by DJ and Universe might have been excessive but the rapier was classy and game winning
the throwy moves by EE were his deaths on top lane and taking suboptimal decisions on teamfights
also, early game by fnatic in this g3 was very very bad which won't go well against secret
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Only Liquid can win impossible games lmao
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
that rosh fight holy shit
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On February 22 2018 03:36 Achaian wrote:
I come back to see optic winning a game against liquid. Is this real life? Don't throw it, boys!
You dun jinxed it.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Best blinding light of 2018.
Sad about Kinguin tho. =/
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And there it is, what I was waiting for.
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On February 22 2018 03:40 babysimba wrote:
Only Liquid can win impossible games lmao
What impossible game? Liquid were guaranteed to win post-45 minutes.
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ROFL I look away for two minutes and OpTic get teamwiped, good lord
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are you fucking kidding me
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On February 22 2018 03:41 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 03:40 babysimba wrote:
Only Liquid can win impossible games lmao What impossible game? Liquid were guaranteed to win post-45 minutes.
optic fucked around on the high ground for a minute with TB dead instead of going to rosh, and so they got team wiped at rosh
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Sick blinding light
GH is so farmed rofl
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On February 22 2018 03:41 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 03:40 babysimba wrote:
Only Liquid can win impossible games lmao What impossible game? Liquid were guaranteed to win post-45 minutes.
Yeah rofl, people don't realize how good TB is in the late game. Optic has nothing to stop him, and they have 3 strong auras that TB uses against them with Reflection.
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the lesson for this optic-liquid game is that stop building that stupid euls+dagger sf
just build normal sf
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Stevie Wonder Enchantress. :D
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Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Awful from Optic, 33, ccnc anyone better them those two and they close that game out.
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how has kotl not been nerfed into the ground yet
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Ace giving Fnatic fans hope by saying that Secret has had issues with Fnatic in scrims
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That's game, TB just destroyed everything
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On February 22 2018 03:46 Pandemona wrote:
Awful from Optic, 33, ccnc anyone better them those two and they close that game out.
the biggest mistake this game was not roshing after they killed miracle top which is on ppd (or whoever is calling shots)
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On February 22 2018 03:47 TomatoBisque wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 03:46 Pandemona wrote:
Awful from Optic, 33, ccnc anyone better them those two and they close that game out. the biggest mistake this game was not roshing after they killed miracle top which is on ppd (or whoever is calling shots)
Even though I agree, I don't think that would've changed anything really. That moment when they killed TB top, they were doing it for more than 10 seconds, and that is 4 heroes against one, with ulties being used and whatnot. They just didn't have the burst apart from SF's ult, not the lockdown needed to kill him, add constant blinding light to that, Venge swap and you can't do much.
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On February 22 2018 03:36 Achaian wrote:
I come back to see optic winning a game against liquid. Is this real life? Don't throw it, boys!
Sorry man, ppd forgot that rosh exists.
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you know how misleading scrims can be
i've heard wayy too many stories where one team is losing to another team in scrims alot then the scrim-losing team proceed to win against a series on their scrim nemesis anyways
( eg. EG-DK around summit1 and TI4 where eg ended up smashing dk )
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the lesson i see from the lost optic game is STOP building sf like some spellcaster
i mean the euls is good but the follow up like dagger and others
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I don't think it's fair to criticise them for trying to rax when they kill most of Liquids depush. Who cares about the second life when you can't break high-ground. TL would be happy to spam out the waves and wait for the aegis to fade.
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what are all these terrible sf builds with shivas and blink? especially on a solo carry... is damage bad or do players have their heads up their asses?
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On February 22 2018 03:53 Achaian wrote:
what are all these terrible sf builds with shivas and blink? especially on a solo carry... is damage bad or do players have their heads up their asses?
it's the meta build
i mean the initial early euls build is actually good because of the regen the movespeed and the potential to solo kills(euls ult) .. not to mention triple raze case you can just euls people then sit next to them
but the fucking follow ups like daggers and stuff makes the hero too reliant on requim and razes which just get negated with bkb in big fights
hence every player i've who went that build just lost the game cause the enemy cores get bkb's and they suddenly have no damage
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In what world does Fnatic beat Secret tomorrow? I honestly can't even see it happening
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On February 22 2018 04:01 plasmidghost wrote:
In what world does Fnatic beat Secret tomorrow? I honestly can't even see it happening
apparently on scrims Fnatic beats them alot but you know how meaningless scrims become when it comes to official games
wayy too many times a scrimlosing team still wins against their scrim partners
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On February 22 2018 04:01 plasmidghost wrote:
In what world does Fnatic beat Secret tomorrow? I honestly can't even see it happening
Once a man said that when a game is going bad you should create chaos. So much chaos that no one understands dota anymore. In this world Fnatic may win.
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On February 22 2018 04:23 Alpino wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 04:01 plasmidghost wrote:
In what world does Fnatic beat Secret tomorrow? I honestly can't even see it happening Once a man said that when a game is going bad you should create chaos. So much chaos that no one understands dota anymore. In this world Fnatic may win.
Yeah but EE doesn't even know how to create proper chaos, and when he accidentally does it, his team is more confused than the enemy.
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I'm a fnatic fan, and even that won't make me optimistic about fnatics chances
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Papua New Guinea504 Posts
Of course Fnatic has a chance to win Secret, it based on how much Puppey wanna try out his new hero/combo, eg picking WK or SB, which are not a so-called formal pick for the team.
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