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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
February 20 2018 12:39 GMT
#61
ppd is double the networth of the lowest player on the other team at 15 minutes. Optic had a great early game.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
February 20 2018 12:39 GMT
#62
lil was the problem
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 20 2018 12:40 GMT
#63
why is ramzes going radiance .. most of the enemy heroes are tanky as shit and Optic has chen

this is a very questionable item choice
this is a quote
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-20 12:42:33
February 20 2018 12:41 GMT
#64
that was a very questionable play by optic lmao, what a throw

ggwp, optic lost this game, ccnc buyback was so stupid lmao
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Xurr
Profile Joined April 2016
Germany313 Posts
February 20 2018 12:42 GMT
#65
On February 20 2018 21:33 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2018 21:30 Xurr wrote:
On February 20 2018 21:27 cecek wrote:
I think notail bought Aghs too early. I think he could've got a fighting item and forced highground.

Yeah and if he really wants to go for the split push go for desolator and shadow blade afterwards.

But the biggest problem was that the Storm Spirit had no impact whatsoever.

storm had plenty of impact .. it lead to their massive lead at the start

he just ran out of steam as bkb gets lower and VG having all kinds of mana burn and lots of stuns

you underestimate that VG essentially has 4 disables which doesn't really bode well for storm even in ultralategame scenarios

it's not the usual storm game if there are plenty of disables from the other team especially since they're getting items to stop the storm like bloodthorne and hex

Exactly, because there were so many counters he had no impact, duh. His early game was not that great either, he never had a substantial gold lead over the other cores. Every time he went in he was either killed or had to disengage 3 seconds later. That means he had no impact. You think i want to blame Reso for it and i don't. He should have gone for Shivas earlier but that is really the only thing.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-20 12:43:25
February 20 2018 12:43 GMT
#66
CCnC lol. What does ppd see in him
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
February 20 2018 12:43 GMT
#67
ccnc pls
High Risk Low Reward
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
February 20 2018 12:43 GMT
#68
ccnc gets paid to play this game

dota 2 is pretty generous
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
February 20 2018 12:43 GMT
#69
And Optic lost xD
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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
February 20 2018 12:44 GMT
#70
oh

my

god
High Risk Low Reward
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 20 2018 12:45 GMT
#71
apparently VP could play subpar but optic just throws anyways

On February 20 2018 21:42 Xurr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2018 21:33 goody153 wrote:
On February 20 2018 21:30 Xurr wrote:
On February 20 2018 21:27 cecek wrote:
I think notail bought Aghs too early. I think he could've got a fighting item and forced highground.

Yeah and if he really wants to go for the split push go for desolator and shadow blade afterwards.

But the biggest problem was that the Storm Spirit had no impact whatsoever.

storm had plenty of impact .. it lead to their massive lead at the start

he just ran out of steam as bkb gets lower and VG having all kinds of mana burn and lots of stuns

you underestimate that VG essentially has 4 disables which doesn't really bode well for storm even in ultralategame scenarios

it's not the usual storm game if there are plenty of disables from the other team especially since they're getting items to stop the storm like bloodthorne and hex

Exactly, because there were so many counters he had no impact, duh. His early game was not that great either, he never had a substantial gold lead over the other cores. Every time he went in he was either killed or had to disengage 3 seconds later. That means he had no impact. You think i want to blame Reso for it and i don't. He should have gone for Shivas earlier but that is really the only thing.

I'd agree no impact later but upto midgame he did his job as storm as much as he could. OG just couldn't close out the game fast enough with their bear timing and VG doing a great job not tilting.
this is a quote
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-20 12:46:44
February 20 2018 12:46 GMT
#72
So im guessing Zai still the offlane player but he is the only one who can play Chen who ppd must be valuing very high right now? But PPD can play Chen also he was practicing it alot in his last stint with EG hmm

Oh wait im even more wrong, Zai is on the kotl wtf xD
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 20 2018 12:46 GMT
#73
On February 20 2018 21:43 babysimba wrote:
CCnC lol. What does ppd see in him

all other mid players with potential are occupied with another team

except maybe w33ha
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Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-20 12:52:20
February 20 2018 12:47 GMT
#74
On February 20 2018 21:27 babysimba wrote:
Crush every qualifiers but can't win chinese team during CNY. EU region has no depth outside of Secret and Liquid lol.

if you talked about depth, only Chinese team have more than 2 relevant team
EU: Secret & Liquid
NA: CoL & EG
CIS: Na'VI & VP
SEA: Mineski
SA: LOLOLOLOLOL why this region exist?!?!
CN: Newbee, LGD, VG, VGJ

this is reflected in the current DPC (LGD unfortunately used sub in Bucharest)
VGJ is arguable, I put it based on the fact they won the unfortunately "irrelevant" Galaxy Battle 2, other than that they're actually sucked.
-Terran-
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
February 20 2018 12:48 GMT
#75
On February 20 2018 21:46 Pandemona wrote:
So im guessing Zai still the offlane player but he is the only one who can play Chen who ppd must be valuing very high right now? But PPD can play Chen also he was practicing it alot in his last stint with EG hmm

Oh wait im even more wrong, Zai is on the kotl wtf xD


Zai is on KOTL. He just missed killing Disruptor in that fight at the Dire Ancients. Had he killed Disruptor, Optic locks up a win.

33's positioning has been questionable in these teamfights.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
February 20 2018 12:49 GMT
#76
On February 20 2018 21:48 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2018 21:46 Pandemona wrote:
So im guessing Zai still the offlane player but he is the only one who can play Chen who ppd must be valuing very high right now? But PPD can play Chen also he was practicing it alot in his last stint with EG hmm

Oh wait im even more wrong, Zai is on the kotl wtf xD


Zai is on KOTL. He just missed killing Disruptor in that fight at the Dire Ancients. Had he killed Disruptor, Optic locks up a win.

33's positioning has been questionable in these teamfights.

Yeah i mean position as in offlane vs 4. Why is Zai 4 and 33 offlane is it a proper swap or due to heroes playing atm? I know recently 33 has been woeful at 4, the EG series in the qualifiers he was very poor.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 20 2018 12:50 GMT
#77
ok i like this solar crest pickup by ramzes though

he's most likely unkillable now unless nuked to death .. it has good synergy with radiance

they're gonna have to focus him or he's just gonna run around or if he gets focused he's gonna do his job with qop+ench being free to do whatever they want
this is a quote
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
February 20 2018 12:52 GMT
#78
ITS NIGHT
High Risk Low Reward
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 20 2018 12:55 GMT
#79
Optic can still win with bkbs though. VP lineup has no hard disables at all.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
February 20 2018 12:55 GMT
#80
davai davai davai x)
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
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