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ForTehDarkseid
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Kelefei2016
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Kelefei2016
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Liquid 0:2 Mineski Secret 2:0 Navi Newbee 2:0 Complex | ||
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GOHF
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Will Liquid continue the TI curse or will they continue their strong form post TI! I am hoping to see alot VG but also wondering how good COL are going to do. The NA qualifiers have all spouted out different teams for the winners so far, so is the region competitive within its own niche or are they all really strong and a force in tournaments around the world. | ||
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Sapaio
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SG are playing good. | ||
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Wineandbread
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nanaoei
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Pandemona
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Faruko
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Pandemona
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 it's enough to make you motion sick | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
I don't expect much from Liquid, especially that in the meantime every single one of their picks became the new standard, and every time I launch a stream I see a Liquid lineup being played by one or both teams. I imagine they didn't practiced much so they'll have to rely on their fundamentals. Still, I'll root for them =p | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
ok SG went full stupid VG is crap | ||
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TomatoBisque
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Ramiz1989
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TomatoBisque
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Faruko
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Ramiz1989
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On October 12 2017 21:08 Faruko wrote: those MK ultis are the worst ive ever seen, no joke Just like his Void ulties. He is doing so much stupid stuff it is insane that he was 10k, I just don't know. | ||
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CrazyBirdman
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
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Wineandbread
United States2065 Posts
Legit feels like they're getting clowned on | ||
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
if he ults, SG just disengages with their 50 force staffs/dopple/fissure/disruptor/underlord ulti | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
On October 12 2017 21:14 Wineandbread wrote: Weren't VG one of the better Chinese teams in regionals? What's going on lol Legit feels like they're getting clowned on yeah they've won 2 or 3 different qualifiers so far, beating LGD, LFY, and IG multiple times xD | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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CrazyBirdman
Germany3509 Posts
On October 12 2017 21:16 MrCon wrote: What's happening, VG dominates everyone right now in China :O Dominate is maybe a bit overstated. Newbee still looked stronger going into this tournament I thought. | ||
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babysimba
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Sbrubbles
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
On October 12 2017 21:16 MrCon wrote: What's happening, VG dominates everyone right now in China :O they are definitely not dominating china. newbee is still the no1 while lgd, lfy and vg are taking games of each other (yes vg had a short streak of beating lgd and lfy on multiple occasions) | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On October 12 2017 21:18 CrazyBirdman wrote: Dominate is maybe a bit overstated. Newbee still looked stronger going into this tournament I thought. True, let's say they're doing really well, so it's surprising ! | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
Bit strange to blame this game on Paparazzi. It's almost impossible to get off good ults against that lineup when your only catch hero's having a super-rough game. I'd rather blame their game plan. They tried to go full pickoff with all the SBs (not ideal in the first place when you have DP oracle) and when that stopped working, they were left with awful items to teamfight with. | ||
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DucK-
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On October 12 2017 21:35 Orome wrote: One of the first games I've watched since TI. It's always tempting to go into doomsday mode when a team plays an awful series, but while there's absolutely no reason for that, the game did hint at a few things I was scared of when I saw this VG lineup. Eleven's this strange player who's insanely good but has completely inexplicable games in between. And while I love Lanm, it's been a while since he's looked in the right place as a 4. The role worked a lot differently when he was one of the best 4s in the world. Bit strange to blame this game on Paparazzi. It's almost impossible to get off good ults against that lineup when your only catch hero's having a super-rough game. I'd rather blame their game plan. They tried to go full pickoff with all the SBs (not ideal in the first place when you have DP oracle) and when that stopped working, they were left with awful items to teamfight with. I am not blaming Paparazzi for the loss of course, but he isn't playing well. You might say that this game, but last game his Void ultis were horrible as well. It seems that they are seriously de-synchronized, but who knows, maybe they will get their shit together in the next games. And I might be wrong but I completely disagree with people saying how VG dominates Chinese right now, from my experience, and I watched quite a bit of games during all these different qualifiers, they are really a hit or miss team. They are not consistent at all, and have great games or games just like these 2 against SGE. | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
This year will be the strongest year SEA region has ever been. Hope Mushi and ice3 will finally win something. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On October 12 2017 22:05 DucK- wrote: Lanm 4 has been quite underwhelming. Wasn't he the 5 in DK days except for certain heroes? Nah, MMY was 5 from what I recall, and Liquipedia says the same. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
oh no, give me Nyx back | ||
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CrazyBirdman
Germany3509 Posts
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Wineandbread
United States2065 Posts
Liquid should take this pretty easy I think | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On October 12 2017 22:10 Pandemona wrote: Alchemist and Brood in a game oh no, give me Nyx backAlche, Brood, Necrophos, Venom, Pugna... this whole game is aids galore. :D | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
On October 12 2017 22:11 Ramiz1989 wrote: Alche, Brood, Necrophos, Venom, Pugna... this whole game is aids galore. :D True lol. Oh well maybe it will be a high killing clown fiesta to save us! | ||
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Sapaio
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Pandemona
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babysimba
10466 Posts
Not sure if alch can really facerush and win game. Mineski have scythe and maledict to amplify their team damage output | ||
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Pandemona
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babysimba
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Sapaio
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Wineandbread
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Pandemona
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babysimba
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I like how this guy uses his scythe instead of ksing all the time for the death timer. | ||
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Pandemona
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CrazyBirdman
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babysimba
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RiZu
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Delayed "Alch'd" but it happened lol | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On October 12 2017 23:05 Pandemona wrote: Mushi's Medusa is pretty strong now, hex is interesting. 2.2k mana though, surely he is a walking tank? No he is rubbish. Shit build no damage...has he screwed the reaper scythe several times with the agha too?? This game is 80% on mushi's shit build and 20% on Nana for feeding... | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On October 12 2017 23:05 Pandemona wrote: Mushi's Medusa is pretty strong now, hex is interesting. 2.2k mana though, surely he is a walking tank? Yeah but they didn't need a walking tank, he never was the one that gets focused. Necro isn't supposed to use ulti just as 1.5 sec stun THAT often. He was the one that initiated most of these fights for Mski and they were missing that big chunk of damage from that ult, while Medusa went for utility/tank build. | ||
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babysimba
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Pandemona
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Mindcontrol was sick this game. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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Ramiz1989
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SatsuinoHado
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babysimba
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
would had worked better had he went his usual build linken > manta > skadi. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On October 12 2017 23:14 babysimba wrote: I think the game was on Ice3 actually. He needed a blink so he can jump into their backline and kill off all their low armor heroes especially pugna. If he starts the fight, Mineski doesn't even need a stun to start the fight. Naw. Blink would have helped but there's only so much you can do when your Medusa farmed so much to be a glorified creep. Wouldn't even blame him for anything | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On October 12 2017 23:14 SatsuinoHado wrote: If Valve does not introduce next patch item that stops healing for like 3-5 sec just like root item and break ability item I am really considering quitting. This is getting really pathetic with only ONE hero being able to counter so boring and pathetic hero like Alche ... I agree in a sense, but it is difficult to balance. You have to make that ability dispelable or it would be too strong and it will make too many items/abilities/heroes useless. If you make it dispelable then it wouldn't be much different than what we have right now, cause teams will buy dispels. I think more heroes that have AA's ulti effect should be introduced to the game, but not such hard counter as AA, more like debuffs on basic abilities that reduces healing by 50% or something. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On October 12 2017 23:17 DucK- wrote: Naw. Blink would have helped but there's only so much you can do when your Medusa farmed so much to be a glorified creep. Wouldn't even blame him for anything Well, for one it would help them not to waste Necro's ulti as initiation tool, that's for sure... | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
On October 12 2017 23:17 DucK- wrote: Naw. Blink would have helped but there's only so much you can do when your Medusa farmed so much to be a glorified creep. Wouldn't even blame him for anything Dusa just exists as a frontliner so alch couldn't easily run to Mineski backline. Mineski has enough damage with maledict and scythe. No matter what item he gets, he will get rekt by veno slow and pugna's long range suck without proper support from his own team. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
Think that Medusa pick was reason for loss. They needed stun, brood seems to fall of in late game, so need hero that can take over. | ||
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FreakyDroid
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SatsuinoHado
Bulgaria777 Posts
On October 12 2017 23:17 Ramiz1989 wrote: I agree in a sense, but it is difficult to balance. You have to make that ability dispelable or it would be too strong and it will make too many items/abilities/heroes useless. If you make it dispelable then it wouldn't be much different than what we have right now, cause teams will buy dispels. I think more heroes that have AA's ulti effect should be introduced to the game, but not such hard counter as AA, more like debuffs on basic abilities that reduces healing by 50% or something. Indeed for instance Doom provides brake with Agha. Lets say the same goes for item that costs like 4000-5000 gold and is effective for around 4 sec. This is not broken and it will require to have timing and so on but this is the only "unique" ability that is only for one hero and nothing or no one else. | ||
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Ramiz1989
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babysimba
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Wineandbread
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Ramiz1989
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On October 12 2017 23:39 Wineandbread wrote: Anyone else's stream shitting the bed? Laggy as hell here, I hear the sound but the video keeps stuttering hard. | ||
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Pandemona
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babysimba
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
yeah both streams lagging eurgh | ||
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
Top notch production value. | ||
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babysimba
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
where they had a huge lead in game 1 and got comebacked and just rekt in game 2. Wish Mski would stick to their comfortable pick where they won in SEA rather than trying out different stuffs. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
I dont see a TI Curse for them. | ||
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
On October 13 2017 00:01 RiZu wrote: Feel like the Mski vs Fnatic in the major qualifier where they had a huge lead in game 1 and got comebacked and just rekt in game 2. Wish Mski would stick to their comfortable pick where they won in SEA rather than trying out different stuffs.I dont think you can draft in a way that will make TL play suboptimal, so in that sense the only way to win against them is to counter their map movement, which imo is what makes TL so strong. They simply take over the map and keep pressuring from all sides, leaving very little space for the other team. | ||
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SFDuality
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Sn0_Man
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Achaian
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GOHF
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babysimba
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CrazyBirdman
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
They even play 4vs5 by picking Chen =p | ||
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GOHF
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Kyir
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InFiNitY[pG]
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sdert
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Wineandbread
United States2065 Posts
If VG looked this bad against SG and SG this bad against VG... damn. | ||
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GOHF
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Nagvalk
South Africa220 Posts
On October 12 2017 23:17 Ramiz1989 wrote: I agree in a sense, but it is difficult to balance. You have to make that ability dispelable or it would be too strong and it will make too many items/abilities/heroes useless. If you make it dispelable then it wouldn't be much different than what we have right now, cause teams will buy dispels. I think more heroes that have AA's ulti effect should be introduced to the game, but not such hard counter as AA, more like debuffs on basic abilities that reduces healing by 50% or something. Agreed mostly. I think they need to rework certain dispell items and skills, making more use of the strong and basic dispell function. For example, I find it riculous that almost every dispell works on bloodthorn- manta is the worst. 4.5k item renders a 7.5k item useless... | ||
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Pandemona
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Sapaio
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
Well, newbee got their shit together lmao, so bad from newbee | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On October 13 2017 20:35 Faruko wrote: chinese teams are awful in this event, what is going on it's a LAN that's not TI | ||
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babysimba
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Faruko
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Faruko
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On October 13 2017 20:48 babysimba wrote: Still pretty hard for NB to lose this unless they fuck up the teamfight again like 2 more times There you go, NB is awful | ||
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Faruko
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Wineandbread
United States2065 Posts
Blame mid-autumn festival boys | ||
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MrCon
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On October 13 2017 21:44 Wineandbread wrote: Who is secret's coach in the draft phase that stands over them? if it's the same guy they've had before it's Sunbhie | ||
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Sapaio
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
Anyone else noticed that Necro loss again in this tournament. | ||
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Kyir
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RuiBarbO
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On October 14 2017 00:04 RuiBarbO wrote: Man what the heck is this meta, I haven't watched Dota since TI7 and now there's a clock vs AA mid and people are picking doom again? Clock is support, it's just soaking exp mid while Alch jungles | ||
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nanaoei
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On October 14 2017 00:10 nanaoei wrote: how is navi's lineup supposed to hit towers? pugna | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
and what will they do when they just press W on underlord or run at pugna with one of their many tough heroes? basically, only pugna can deal damage to towers this game, so long as timbersaw is up. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On October 14 2017 00:12 nanaoei wrote: and what will they do when they just press W on underlord or run at pugna with one of their many tough heroes? basically, only pugna can deal damage to towers this game, so long as timbersaw is up. pugna can blast from like 1100 range with aether and the talent and secret lack lockdown outside the pit (which he can just be forced out of) he's one of the best sieging heroes in the game right now | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Nice game 3 this though | ||
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uthgard
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didn't watch the draft phase but interesting how secret ended up with this draft, pretty damn risky draft | ||
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RuiBarbO
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On October 14 2017 00:33 uthgard wrote: sonneiko carrying games pretty hard with his ES didn't watch the draft phase but interesting how secret ended up with this draft, pretty damn risky draft Puppey seems to think Oracle counters Pugna, he picked it first phase in response to Pugna both this game and last doesn't seem to be very effective | ||
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RuiBarbO
United States1340 Posts
On October 14 2017 00:35 Pandemona wrote: For all NaVi's dominance they not forced a buyback nor taken a rax. This game might go very long! If you can't break high ground, you're advantage is a lie... or something like that | ||
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nanaoei
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
40+ minutes into the game: "Why did we have a mid AA again?" | ||
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Kyir
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Faruko
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
what a game | ||
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On October 14 2017 01:30 M.S.Bismarck wrote: So I took a quick look at Complexity's draft on game 2 of their match and noticed Zfreek building Phase Boots, Helm of the Dominator, Shadow Blade and Aghs on Wyvern. New meta? That makes sense right? Both HotD and Shadowblade are good cheap sources of attack speed (with utility) and with the +75 dmg talent it makes sense for a right click Wyvren to focus attack speed? Though it's weird to be going for right click as a support WW. | ||
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Bisu-Fan
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On October 14 2017 02:30 Kyir wrote: This game is a bloodbath. I think this sums up it up perfectly. that last fight holy cow | ||
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On October 14 2017 03:53 M.S.Bismarck wrote: This tournament is making Necrophos look like an overrated hero. 0% win rate at this lan. Because he isn't nearly as good as people think when countered well and pressured in the early game. Hero needs Radiance for speed farming and can't rush it as some other heroes, so if he doesn't farm well in the early game and can't snowball with items, all he can do is hope for good Scythe pick offs on farmed heroes. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
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Kelefei2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
You may argue that Sonneiko Earth Spirit is very good, and I do agree but the real hero behind that decided the game favored Navi is actually Pugna. | ||
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maze.
Germany1392 Posts
On October 14 2017 17:52 calippo wrote: time to replace eleven with mikasa Lets hope Old Eleven comes back from retirement and replaces Young Eleven. This must be the worst lan performance of his career. | ||
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Ramiz1989
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On October 14 2017 14:24 Kelefei2016 wrote: Secret used to use Pugna as carry and they should know they lost to Navi in the second game is totally due to Pugna. But they allowed Navi to take Pugna again at deciding game... To show their arrogance? And they like oracle so much, which I personally think rather useless in team fight. You may argue that Sonneiko Earth Spirit is very good, and I do agree but the real hero behind that decided the game favored Navi is actually Pugna. People still don't realize how strong Pugna is. She is right now easily on par with Venom, Necro, Visage etc. Liquid vs. Mineski was also the reason why Liquid won the mid game when Miracle and Matumbaman still didn't have enough farm, Mind_Control just kept winning the fights for them and showed what happens if you ignore the Pugna in team fight. | ||
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Xurr
Germany313 Posts
On October 14 2017 19:30 goody153 wrote: newbee forgot how to play dota ? They not only got schooled 0:3 in the finals, Liquid somehow managed to give the ti-winners curse to them as well. | ||
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Wineandbread
United States2065 Posts
Well I'm looking forward to the Secret Navi rematch | ||
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Wineandbread
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WP by Mineski, glad they made it out of groups. | ||
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goody153
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On October 14 2017 20:15 Sapaio wrote: No more direct invites for Newbee anytime soon doubt it besides china is always at it's lowest point post-TI it's when IT is close is where they suddenly become extremely relevant | ||
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Kelefei2016
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Kelefei2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
On October 14 2017 20:13 Wineandbread wrote: Good lord China looks bad compared to other regions right now, no wins at all this entire minor Well I'm looking forward to the Secret Navi rematch Maybe the prize pool is not great enough for them. | ||
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MetalMercury
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On October 14 2017 23:57 M.S.Bismarck wrote: Sonneiko is shitting his pants with these yolo Spirit Breaker moves. What is going on? Na'Vi's draft is garbage; carry Monkey King with no disable. They had no chance of ever winning this game unless Team Secret massively fucked up. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On October 15 2017 00:34 brinepumps wrote: Oooooh I like this DK pick Yup Really good against brood with all the armor and regen. | ||
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