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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
August 09 2017 22:24 GMT
#921
OUT-PLAYED
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Wineandbread
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2065 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 22:24:40
August 09 2017 22:24 GMT
#922
kaka is baller mode right now

also, op going 2/2/3/0 o_o
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
August 09 2017 22:24 GMT
#923
On August 10 2017 07:19 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2017 07:14 TomatoBisque wrote:
On August 10 2017 07:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 10 2017 07:10 Orome wrote:
On August 10 2017 07:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
So will we see any of the so far ignored characters () still?
Bane, Spectre, Techies, Tiny and Wraith King. What makes these "bad" ?


You can make pretty easy arguments against the last 4, but I'm really surprised we haven't seen a single bane. That just feels weird.

Can you elaborate? What are these easy arguments against these 4?

Techies isn't in Captain's Mode so he can't be picked

Spectre is a safelane hero who is very vulnerable in lane, while the general playstyle of most teams this tournament has been to leave the safelane relatively exposed

Tiny is just kind of... the hero needs to snowball so that he can kill heroes with his combo, and if he doesn't get that start he doesn't really do anything. The hero has just been sort of weak ever since the carry build with Io/Wisp fell out of favor

Wraith King is just outshone by CK this tournament imo

Additional note regarding Bane:
The important things Bane can do Shadow Shaman can also do. The only big reasons I can see why you would choose Bane over SS is the higher move speed and possible ways you can get value out of Enfeeble.

I would say Bane is better at sitting mid than SS--he's a bit tankier, faster, and all 3 his spells can provide value depending on hero comps

But yeah, rhasta is way better at getting early kills since Ether Shock+Shackles is tons of disable and tons of damage. He's basically the new CM in terms of "scariest level 2 hero"

I actually think a big problem with Bane is that a lot of his spells aren't very useful in teamfights. Grip is his ultimate and if it's canceled (which isn't hard to do) it's completely wasted, Nightmare is also hard to utilize, leaving him with a ST nuke and Enfeeble
rip
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 09 2017 22:24 GMT
#924
Burning's team will lose in WB semis again, eh?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
August 09 2017 22:25 GMT
#925
I'd put Veno jungle and let supports farm at this point instead
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
August 09 2017 22:25 GMT
#926
On August 10 2017 07:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2017 07:10 Orome wrote:
On August 10 2017 07:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
So will we see any of the so far ignored characters () still?
Bane, Spectre, Techies, Tiny and Wraith King. What makes these "bad" ?


You can make pretty easy arguments against the last 4, but I'm really surprised we haven't seen a single bane. That just feels weird.

Can you elaborate? What are these easy arguments against these 4?


Well techies isn't in captain's mode so there's that. :D

Teams are generally drafting strong laners (and strong offlanes with a lot of dual offlane) right now. Spectre gets murdered by most of these lanes. The current game pace is very fast which makes things super awkward for Spectre who's very weak early and has a crazy long cd on lvl 1 ult (180 sec). Teams are all drafting lineups that actively fight for map control and giving up map control in exchange for getting strong lategame cores has generally been shown to be bad right now. Teams are super good at controlling the map now. Even heroes like Spectre can't turn things around if the other team starves you and farms the whole map themselves. Lategame items beat lategame heroes.

Tiny's super hard to fit into a lineup. Raindrops ruin his early solokill potential which is pretty much what the hero used to be picked for. If he doesn't get an instant kill with his first jump, the hero's just extremely underwhelming. WK's pretty much just a worse version of super popular heroes right now (troll, sven). Sorry, this second paragraph's a pretty shitty explanation, but I realised the game's going and I wanna watch. :D
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
August 09 2017 22:26 GMT
#927
is xxs gonna carry IG again
rip
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
August 09 2017 22:27 GMT
#928
And sniper's fucked now
wouldn't be surprised if he skips mealstrom despite the PL
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12082 Posts
August 09 2017 22:28 GMT
#929
On August 10 2017 07:25 LemOn wrote:
I'd put Veno jungle and let supports farm at this point instead


There is a downside to that, you release pressure on the mid lane. Allowing Newbee to do whatever they want since they see one of the ganking supports on a lane and no veno on any lane means he is jungle. A fake out with veno smoke ganking could work I guess but he isn't going a ganking build.
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
August 09 2017 22:29 GMT
#930
b-god with the jukes
rip
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 09 2017 22:29 GMT
#931
B GOD
Neosteel Enthusiast
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
August 09 2017 22:29 GMT
#932
B-God
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
August 09 2017 22:29 GMT
#933
God damn boboka spamming chatwheels in TI
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3618 Posts
August 09 2017 22:29 GMT
#934
Newbee's getting styled on right now.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
August 09 2017 22:29 GMT
#935
Xxs owning and BurNing still being a god.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 09 2017 22:29 GMT
#936
the balls to just stand still like that haha
Neosteel Enthusiast
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 09 2017 22:29 GMT
#937
Thanks for all the answers! I hope that we will still see one of those :D

Also why is techies not in captain's mode?
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
ihatevideogames
Profile Joined August 2015
570 Posts
August 09 2017 22:30 GMT
#938
THAT NEVER WORKS WHEN I DO IT IN PUBS!
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
August 09 2017 22:30 GMT
#939
That wow emote was hilarious!
Dün dündür, bugün bugündür. (Yesterday was yesterday, today is today)
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 09 2017 22:30 GMT
#940
On August 10 2017 07:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Thanks for all the answers! I hope that we will still see one of those :D

Also why is techies not in captain's mode?

As far as I've been aware, there aren't typically reasons for something to be done. It just happens. Usually after hero reworks though, just to see how it plays in pubs before throwing it into the tournament scene.
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