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On July 23 2016 13:53 Kuroeeah wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 13:51 goody153 wrote:On July 23 2016 13:49 Kuroeeah wrote:On July 23 2016 13:45 goody153 wrote:On July 23 2016 13:43 Alpino wrote:On July 23 2016 13:40 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Puppey looks like the worst player on secret ...even pie plays better than him. That's a pretty misplaced "even". Pie carried his team to a Major win and has been among the very best support players in the world since joining Secret. Yeah Puppey is the worst player on Secret from an execution and positioning point of view. But he brings a lot of interesting stuff to the team with his heropool besides being a godly captain. Well it's always puppey's other support(kky/pld) that showcases plays and stellar positioning in his teams not him but for sure what he brings to the team is irreplacable even he like feeds 6 times in a row like artstyle. puppey might have the greatest mind in dota but as of recently even during their winning games, it's weird to see how puppey gets a free pass even though the rest of secret gets the full brunt of the criticism. "oh it's ee's fault", "bulba sucks", "pieliefeed" Well if it helps i'm one of the biggest puppey critic lol from what i've noticed pie actually gets the least shit out of all of them and the most who gets shit is bulba then rtz/ee i can't even fathom how anyone could even criticize pie. every secret game i've watched, pie actually plays like a god, always being in the right place behind EE or RTZ, proper spell usage and of course pieliedie space. he's been playing like pieliedie god mode when everyone called him the best player during mlg columbus.
Yeah he actually rarely makes mistakes and is the most reliable in both w33/misery and rtz/bulba roster.
Though at some point during his c9 period and after he got kicked from he wasn't that spectacular anymore but as he joined secret he suddenly like gained back the pie-god gameplay.
It must have just been motivation issues or something cause at one point with c9 he made some really sloppy mistakes like when they were highground siege-ing he placed the highground ward after his carry starts to siege not as the siege is about to happen lol
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On July 23 2016 13:56 Azarkon wrote:
I didn't say Secret did well.
I said Arteezy did well, and showed why they chose him.
And yes, knowing how to farm fast and what to do when you have farm, is a skill.
he didn't do anything special, not that game at least. any pro can hit creeps for 25 mins and be efficient at it if the rest of his team is throwing bodies at the enemy to make sure you get space. this really isn't the game to hype him up, wait till he plays a hero that pvps at least.
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On July 23 2016 14:00 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 13:53 Kuroeeah wrote:On July 23 2016 13:51 goody153 wrote:On July 23 2016 13:49 Kuroeeah wrote:On July 23 2016 13:45 goody153 wrote:On July 23 2016 13:43 Alpino wrote:On July 23 2016 13:40 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Puppey looks like the worst player on secret ...even pie plays better than him. That's a pretty misplaced "even". Pie carried his team to a Major win and has been among the very best support players in the world since joining Secret. Yeah Puppey is the worst player on Secret from an execution and positioning point of view. But he brings a lot of interesting stuff to the team with his heropool besides being a godly captain. Well it's always puppey's other support(kky/pld) that showcases plays and stellar positioning in his teams not him but for sure what he brings to the team is irreplacable even he like feeds 6 times in a row like artstyle. puppey might have the greatest mind in dota but as of recently even during their winning games, it's weird to see how puppey gets a free pass even though the rest of secret gets the full brunt of the criticism. "oh it's ee's fault", "bulba sucks", "pieliefeed" Well if it helps i'm one of the biggest puppey critic lol from what i've noticed pie actually gets the least shit out of all of them and the most who gets shit is bulba then rtz/ee i can't even fathom how anyone could even criticize pie. every secret game i've watched, pie actually plays like a god, always being in the right place behind EE or RTZ, proper spell usage and of course pieliedie space. he's been playing like pieliedie god mode when everyone called him the best player during mlg columbus. Yeah he actually rarely makes mistakes and is the most reliable in both w33/misery and rtz/bulba roster. Though at some point during his c9 period and after he got kicked from he wasn't that spectacular anymore but as he joined secret he suddenly like gained back the pie-god gameplay. It must have just been motivation issues or something cause at one point with c9 he made some really sloppy mistakes like when they were highground siege-ing he placed the highground ward after his carry starts to siege not as the siege is about to happen lol
supporting bone7 is an endeavor that could turn even the strongest men insane.
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Arteezy has been playing well since the qualifiers. Anyone said otherwise is just ignorant.
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thats not an easy game to win even with a farmed alch. puppey finished his pipe even while feeding,thats pretty hard to do with this type of game. they're not even behind on levels as well
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I suspect that Secret won't be able to beat navi in a b03 even though they can function as a team now, they still a bit sloppy and has a not-so good midgame.
On July 23 2016 14:04 Kuroeeah wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 14:00 goody153 wrote:On July 23 2016 13:53 Kuroeeah wrote:On July 23 2016 13:51 goody153 wrote:On July 23 2016 13:49 Kuroeeah wrote:On July 23 2016 13:45 goody153 wrote:On July 23 2016 13:43 Alpino wrote:On July 23 2016 13:40 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Puppey looks like the worst player on secret ...even pie plays better than him. That's a pretty misplaced "even". Pie carried his team to a Major win and has been among the very best support players in the world since joining Secret. Yeah Puppey is the worst player on Secret from an execution and positioning point of view. But he brings a lot of interesting stuff to the team with his heropool besides being a godly captain. Well it's always puppey's other support(kky/pld) that showcases plays and stellar positioning in his teams not him but for sure what he brings to the team is irreplacable even he like feeds 6 times in a row like artstyle. puppey might have the greatest mind in dota but as of recently even during their winning games, it's weird to see how puppey gets a free pass even though the rest of secret gets the full brunt of the criticism. "oh it's ee's fault", "bulba sucks", "pieliefeed" Well if it helps i'm one of the biggest puppey critic lol from what i've noticed pie actually gets the least shit out of all of them and the most who gets shit is bulba then rtz/ee i can't even fathom how anyone could even criticize pie. every secret game i've watched, pie actually plays like a god, always being in the right place behind EE or RTZ, proper spell usage and of course pieliedie space. he's been playing like pieliedie god mode when everyone called him the best player during mlg columbus. Yeah he actually rarely makes mistakes and is the most reliable in both w33/misery and rtz/bulba roster. Though at some point during his c9 period and after he got kicked from he wasn't that spectacular anymore but as he joined secret he suddenly like gained back the pie-god gameplay. It must have just been motivation issues or something cause at one point with c9 he made some really sloppy mistakes like when they were highground siege-ing he placed the highground ward after his carry starts to siege not as the siege is about to happen lol supporting bone7 is an endeavor that could turn even the strongest men insane.
lol but seriously bone7 wasn't that absolutely bad (except for the later c9 times where he was just i don't even .. ) he had some times where he was doing super well as an offlaner
ofc most of the time he bordered from being bone-chan and bone322
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On July 23 2016 14:01 Kabras wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 13:56 Azarkon wrote:
I didn't say Secret did well.
I said Arteezy did well, and showed why they chose him.
And yes, knowing how to farm fast and what to do when you have farm, is a skill. he didn't do anything special, not that game at least. any pro can hit creeps for 25 mins and be efficient at it if the rest of his team is throwing bodies at the enemy to make sure you get space. this really isn't the game to hype him up, wait till he plays a hero that pvps at least.
Hm. I think he played pretty amazing. Not only he recovered from a bad early game while ditching his own lane but he understood the balance of power and hero movement very well in the game. His decision making was flawless.
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People think too little of the ability to find farm when your team is getting killed all over the map, and the ability to make use of that farm to carry your team - and this used to be THE strategy in Dota. That is the quality Arteezy is best known for. It IS his skill. He's not Miracle. He doesn't make the plays Miracle does because he doesn't have the same skill in that area. But his farm is around the same speed and on more heroes. That's what makes him what he is.
Teams have to play around their players, and Secret chose to play around Arteezy, and Arteezy showed that they weren't wrong in doing so, that's all I'm going to say. Of course, the team has other problems, so it's not though they became one of the best with that win.
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On July 23 2016 14:11 Azarkon wrote:
People think too little of the ability to find farm when your team is getting killed all over the map, and the ability to make use of that farm to carry your team - and this used to be THE strategy in Dota. That is the quality Arteezy is best known for. It IS his skill. He's not Miracle. He doesn't make the plays Miracle does because he doesn't have the same skill in that area. But his farm is around the same speed and on more heroes. That's what makes him what he is.
Teams have to play around their players, and Secret chose to play around Arteezy, and Arteezy showed that they weren't wrong in doing so, that's all I'm going to say. Of course, the team has other problems, so it's not though they became one of the best with that win.
you know, if you're gonna take half a screen to say 25 mins of pve it's still 25 mins of pve. any pro player can do that. every single one. even ones that don't play core heroes could get that gpm on alchemist in that particular game where 4 people fed their asses off to keep him safe.
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On July 23 2016 14:24 Kabras wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 14:11 Azarkon wrote:
People think too little of the ability to find farm when your team is getting killed all over the map, and the ability to make use of that farm to carry your team - and this used to be THE strategy in Dota. That is the quality Arteezy is best known for. It IS his skill. He's not Miracle. He doesn't make the plays Miracle does because he doesn't have the same skill in that area. But his farm is around the same speed and on more heroes. That's what makes him what he is.
Teams have to play around their players, and Secret chose to play around Arteezy, and Arteezy showed that they weren't wrong in doing so, that's all I'm going to say. Of course, the team has other problems, so it's not though they became one of the best with that win. you know, if you're gonna take half a screen to say 25 mins of pve it's still 25 mins of pve. any pro player can do that. every single one. even ones that don't play core heroes could get that gpm on alchemist in that particular game where 4 people fed their asses off to keep him safe.
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Yes it's true that any pro could get 6 slotted with alch in 30mins, but rtz didn't even get a free pass mid, had armlet at 9 mins and a radiance at 14. That's nearly 1K gpm on a alch where his team is feeding kills left and right and he didn't have a free pass to farm wherever he wants. That IS impressive. I can guarantee you that there are not many pro games u can find where without complete free farm where an alch can get a radiance in 5 mins given how badly they lost the early game and he didn't have a free pass mid.
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Artour is a good player, guys.
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On July 23 2016 14:24 Kabras wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 14:11 Azarkon wrote:
People think too little of the ability to find farm when your team is getting killed all over the map, and the ability to make use of that farm to carry your team - and this used to be THE strategy in Dota. That is the quality Arteezy is best known for. It IS his skill. He's not Miracle. He doesn't make the plays Miracle does because he doesn't have the same skill in that area. But his farm is around the same speed and on more heroes. That's what makes him what he is.
Teams have to play around their players, and Secret chose to play around Arteezy, and Arteezy showed that they weren't wrong in doing so, that's all I'm going to say. Of course, the team has other problems, so it's not though they became one of the best with that win. you know, if you're gonna take half a screen to say 25 mins of pve it's still 25 mins of pve. any pro player can do that. every single one. even ones that don't play core heroes could get that gpm on alchemist in that particular game where 4 people fed their asses off to keep him safe.
Not really.AS we have seen in a lot of games most pros would either brake under presure and feed,or they would get farmed but it would be something like 30/35 mins.Very few pros can farm with the speed and the eficiency that RTZ can farm.
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Wow I thought maybe EG was back from the dumpster but getting 0-2ed by NaVi is pretty damn bad..
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On July 23 2016 17:00 sweatbomb wrote:
Wow I thought maybe EG was back from the dumpster but getting 0-2ed by NaVi is pretty damn bad..
They were back from the dumpster for a series and then again got put into the dumpster a day after ..might be back from dumpster today against fnatic
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wait are the next games really gonna happen in 6 hrs ? is the LD schedule right ?
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On July 23 2016 18:42 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Ye ..it starts in 6 hrs
damn well it's saturday i can finally watch in time (even though it's gonna happen midnight here)
no classes and drinking session that would obstruct me now
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Speed watched the games, sonneiko is a damn monster, DC vs secret was bad,. Na'vi will show the difference between an invited and a qualified team in the final I think.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
just saw the game
damn someone got Alched.
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EPT
