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On July 23 2016 13:38 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 13:36 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Veno has always been an absolute god of damage. It doesn't matter at all if he dies, if he gets his 2 spells off its fine he won. he's the real suicide bomber not techies Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 13:38 Kuroeeah wrote:On July 23 2016 13:36 goody153 wrote:On July 23 2016 13:35 Kuroeeah wrote:
i underestimated puppey's damage that game. he actually did almost as much damage as rtz considering he was just feeding all game. venocancer mate i think aghs veil veno deals like 3k or something damage i don't think puppey reached aghs or veil. there was one crucial teamfight outside of dcs base where he landed a 5 man ult to aids everyone to death. it's just kinda strange to see that he nearly matched rtz in damage. and he hasn't even reached aghs yet lol i've seen this veno bullshit before with aghs+veil it's ridiculous
don't get me wrong, i know veno is the god of damage but it's just sorta a reminder that even though I thought puppey was feeding the entire game (and no one can dispute he gave away unnecessary kills), he just walked up to the center of DC, ulted and everyone died.
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This is just Arteezy showing the guy he replaced his place. You don't get to the same place as Miracle and have no skill to show for it.
And fucking PPD lost to Eastern European team again, damn, but hey, we all know what happens to his team when they lose.
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On July 23 2016 13:41 Azarkon wrote:
This is just Arteezy showing the guy he replaced his place.
And fucking PPD lost to Eastern European team again, damn, but hey, we all know what happens to his team when they lose.
Third place?
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On July 23 2016 13:38 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
Why give the Alch aghs to Shadow Demon instead of Venomancer?
SD's aghs is highly underrated. Yeah it wasn't super good this game, but it still removes jugg crit and void bash. Also it's 3 charges of that person is 100% dead, if you get purged you're just done nothing is saving you. It wasn't a massive deal though this game he could have given it to veno too, the game was done regardless.
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On July 23 2016 13:40 Kuroeeah wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 13:38 goody153 wrote:On July 23 2016 13:36 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Veno has always been an absolute god of damage. It doesn't matter at all if he dies, if he gets his 2 spells off its fine he won. he's the real suicide bomber not techies On July 23 2016 13:38 Kuroeeah wrote:On July 23 2016 13:36 goody153 wrote:On July 23 2016 13:35 Kuroeeah wrote:
i underestimated puppey's damage that game. he actually did almost as much damage as rtz considering he was just feeding all game. venocancer mate i think aghs veil veno deals like 3k or something damage i don't think puppey reached aghs or veil. there was one crucial teamfight outside of dcs base where he landed a 5 man ult to aids everyone to death. it's just kinda strange to see that he nearly matched rtz in damage. and he hasn't even reached aghs yet lol i've seen this veno bullshit before with aghs+veil it's ridiculous don't get me wrong, i know veno is the god of damage but it's just sorta a reminder that even though I thought puppey was feeding the entire game (and no one can dispute he gave away unnecessary kills), he just walked up to the center of DC, ulted and everyone died.
i was probably tabbed out on that part .. i just tuned in and got confused on how the fuck are secret ended up highground pushing and the killscore was so behind
so navi vs secret winners bracket finals eh
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On July 23 2016 13:40 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Puppey looks like the worst player on secret ...even pie plays better than him.
That's a pretty misplaced "even". Pie carried his team to a Major win and has been among the very best support players in the world since joining Secret.
Yeah Puppey is the worst player on Secret from an execution and positioning point of view. But he brings a lot of interesting stuff to the team with his heropool besides being a godly captain.
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On July 23 2016 13:41 Azarkon wrote:
This is just Arteezy showing the guy he replaced his place. You don't get the same MMR as Miracle and have no skill to show for it.
And fucking PPD lost to Eastern European team again, damn, but hey, we all know what happens to his team when they lose.
They get last place , just as in Manila major .
Stop overhyping shit open qualifier teams
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On July 23 2016 13:43 Alpino wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 13:40 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Puppey looks like the worst player on secret ...even pie plays better than him. That's a pretty misplaced "even". Pie carried his team to a Major win and has been among the very best support players in the world since joining Secret. But yeah Puppey is the worst player on Secret from an execution and positioning point of view. But he brings a lot of interesting stuff to the team with his heropool besides being a godly captain.
Yes..pie has been pretty good player since last few months and I dig it..I just found Puppey to be a punching bag in most of their games .that's all.
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On July 23 2016 13:41 Azarkon wrote:
This is just Arteezy showing the guy he replaced his place. You don't get the same MMR as Miracle and have no skill to show for it.
And fucking PPD lost to Eastern European team again, damn, but hey, we all know what happens to his team when they lose.
lol ur hero can't get 1k gpm and make illusions know your place. both teams played bad. rtz didn't because he didn't actually have to play dota at all.
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On July 23 2016 13:43 Kamisamanachi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 13:41 Azarkon wrote:
This is just Arteezy showing the guy he replaced his place. You don't get the same MMR as Miracle and have no skill to show for it.
And fucking PPD lost to Eastern European team again, damn, but hey, we all know what happens to his team when they lose. They get last place , just as in Manila major . Stop overhyping shit open qualifier teams
gr8 b8 m8
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On July 23 2016 13:43 Alpino wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 13:40 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Puppey looks like the worst player on secret ...even pie plays better than him. That's a pretty misplaced "even". Pie carried his team to a Major win and has been among the very best support players in the world since joining Secret. Yeah Puppey is the worst player on Secret from an execution and positioning point of view. But he brings a lot of interesting stuff to the team with his heropool besides being a godly captain.
Well tbh it's always puppey's other support(kky/pld) that showcases plays and stellar positioning in his teams not him but for sure what he brings to the team is irreplacable even he like feeds 6 times in a row like artstyle.
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On July 23 2016 13:43 Kamisamanachi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 13:41 Azarkon wrote:
This is just Arteezy showing the guy he replaced his place. You don't get the same MMR as Miracle and have no skill to show for it.
And fucking PPD lost to Eastern European team again, damn, but hey, we all know what happens to his team when they lose. They get last place , just as in Manila major . Stop overhyping shit open qualifier teams
Or they win it all. We will see.
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On July 23 2016 13:45 Kabras wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 13:41 Azarkon wrote:
This is just Arteezy showing the guy he replaced his place. You don't get the same MMR as Miracle and have no skill to show for it.
And fucking PPD lost to Eastern European team again, damn, but hey, we all know what happens to his team when they lose. lol ur hero can't get 1k gpm and make illusions know your place. both teams played bad. rtz didn't because he didn't actually have to play dota at all.
They couldn't shut him down because? It's not though the hero hasn't been tried time and time again by other teams, including the best teams at the moment, and not work.
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On July 23 2016 13:45 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 13:43 Alpino wrote:On July 23 2016 13:40 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Puppey looks like the worst player on secret ...even pie plays better than him. That's a pretty misplaced "even". Pie carried his team to a Major win and has been among the very best support players in the world since joining Secret. Yeah Puppey is the worst player on Secret from an execution and positioning point of view. But he brings a lot of interesting stuff to the team with his heropool besides being a godly captain. Well it's always puppey's other support(kky/pld) that showcases plays and stellar positioning in his teams not him but for sure what he brings to the team is irreplacable even he like feeds 6 times in a row like artstyle.
puppey might have the greatest mind in dota but as of recently even during their winning games, it's weird to see how puppey gets a free pass even though the rest of secret gets the full brunt of the criticism. "oh it's ee's fault", "bulba sucks", "pieliefeed"
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On July 23 2016 13:49 Kuroeeah wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 13:45 goody153 wrote:On July 23 2016 13:43 Alpino wrote:On July 23 2016 13:40 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Puppey looks like the worst player on secret ...even pie plays better than him. That's a pretty misplaced "even". Pie carried his team to a Major win and has been among the very best support players in the world since joining Secret. Yeah Puppey is the worst player on Secret from an execution and positioning point of view. But he brings a lot of interesting stuff to the team with his heropool besides being a godly captain. Well it's always puppey's other support(kky/pld) that showcases plays and stellar positioning in his teams not him but for sure what he brings to the team is irreplacable even he like feeds 6 times in a row like artstyle. puppey might have the greatest mind in dota but as of recently even during their winning games, it's weird to see how puppey gets a free pass even though the rest of secret gets the full brunt of the criticism. "oh it's ee's fault", "bulba sucks", "pieliefeed"
Well if it helps i'm one of the biggest puppey critic lol he does this walk into the entire enemy team from time to time which is really annoying
from what i've noticed pie actually gets the least shit out of all of them and the most who gets shit is bulba then rtz/ee
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On July 23 2016 13:51 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 13:49 Kuroeeah wrote:On July 23 2016 13:45 goody153 wrote:On July 23 2016 13:43 Alpino wrote:On July 23 2016 13:40 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Puppey looks like the worst player on secret ...even pie plays better than him. That's a pretty misplaced "even". Pie carried his team to a Major win and has been among the very best support players in the world since joining Secret. Yeah Puppey is the worst player on Secret from an execution and positioning point of view. But he brings a lot of interesting stuff to the team with his heropool besides being a godly captain. Well it's always puppey's other support(kky/pld) that showcases plays and stellar positioning in his teams not him but for sure what he brings to the team is irreplacable even he like feeds 6 times in a row like artstyle. puppey might have the greatest mind in dota but as of recently even during their winning games, it's weird to see how puppey gets a free pass even though the rest of secret gets the full brunt of the criticism. "oh it's ee's fault", "bulba sucks", "pieliefeed" Well if it helps i'm one of the biggest puppey critic lol from what i've noticed pie actually gets the least shit out of all of them and the most who gets shit is bulba then rtz/ee
i can't even fathom how anyone could even criticize pie. every secret game i've watched, pie actually plays like a god, always being in the right place behind EE or RTZ, proper spell usage and of course pieliedie space.
he's been playing like pieliedie god mode when everyone called him the best player during mlg columbus.
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On July 23 2016 13:47 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 13:45 Kabras wrote:On July 23 2016 13:41 Azarkon wrote:
This is just Arteezy showing the guy he replaced his place. You don't get the same MMR as Miracle and have no skill to show for it.
And fucking PPD lost to Eastern European team again, damn, but hey, we all know what happens to his team when they lose. lol ur hero can't get 1k gpm and make illusions know your place. both teams played bad. rtz didn't because he didn't actually have to play dota at all. They couldn't shut him down because? It's not though the hero hasn't been tried time and time again by other teams, including the best teams at the moment, and not work.
because they were killing the rest of his team left and right while he hid in the woods for 25 minutes? dc lost this game because they shit the bed when it mattered the most. when alchemist finally came to fight jugg wasted the aegis and died again and the best chrono we've seen all game was a 1 hero one. dc played bad enough to lose to a pve draft but if you think secret played well idk what to tell you.
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Secret won because they understood the key to winning was a really farmed alch really because DC heroes suck at dealing with him him. It doesnt matter if his other teammates feed here and there a bit as long as alch isnt the one getting killed, and at that point, once he gets manta up, there is no way rtz is getting killed, unless they commit 3-4 heroes on him, and one of those heroes HAVE to be juggernaut. And in team fights, they simply cant kill him because even if they blow their main damage spell ie disruptor ult and omni, as long as SD doesnt die and saves him through the duration they have no follow up damage.
RTZ also played extremely well. I mean he was decently shut down, with a 9 min armlet on Alch and he managed to farm a radiance in 14 mins without getting caught.
Those kills on veno and other heroes are inconsequential to the overall gameplan.
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I didn't say Secret did well.
I said Arteezy did well, and show why they chose him.
And yes, knowing how to farm fast and what to do when you have farm, is a skill.
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Yes I hardly see any blame on Pie. He just needs more praise.
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