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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
Poll: CDEC Youth vs Fnatic Fnatic Win (24) CDEC Youth Win (3) 27 total votes Your vote: CDEC Youth vs Fnatic Poll: Complexity Gaming vs FRIENDS Complexity Gaming Win (20) FRIENDS Win (8) 28 total votes Your vote: Complexity Gaming vs FRIENDS Poll: Evil Geniuses vs Na'Vi Na'Vi Win (27) Evil Geniuses Win (21) 48 total votes Your vote: Evil Geniuses vs Na'Vi | ||
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Papercappu
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On July 22 2016 20:20 Papercappu wrote: i thought Secret was supposed to play EG. did they change the bracket? Wasn't the bracket always like that? EG & Secret played series 3 & 4 yesterday only because they arrived late at the venue. Groups were the same, but schedule was altered. | ||
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spudde123
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Kamisamanachi
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On July 22 2016 20:20 Papercappu wrote: i thought Secret was supposed to play EG. did they change the bracket? we are getting EG vs Secret tommorow , most probably unless an upset happens | ||
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Bumblebees
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Azarkon
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
What the hell was that role swap yesterday then? | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On July 23 2016 02:04 lolfail9001 wrote: Wait, Xz is back to offlane? What the hell was that role swap yesterday then? http://www.dotabuff.com/players/131237305/matches?date=all&game_mode=captains_mode&timezone=Etc/UTC He seems to be switching between mostly support, some offlane and even a few mid games. Weird. | ||
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Azarkon
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Pandemona
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Azarkon
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Taf the Ghost
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Nyan
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dutchfriese
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On July 23 2016 02:33 dutchfriese wrote: Linsanity rofl Ahhhhh, the nostalgia. | ||
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DucK-
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
On July 23 2016 02:35 DucK- wrote: That dirty socks....... Haha! xd | ||
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lolnoty
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DucK-
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Thetwinmasters
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On July 23 2016 02:36 DucK- wrote: Would love to blame Mushit, but Fnatic supports played meh imo. Maybe its the draft. Is he still drafting? Considering mushi leaped into a batrider level 2 you can blame him | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On July 23 2016 02:36 lolnoty wrote: it's a crime that they don't have DJ on a core He is one of the best supports in the scene atm..why it is a crime they don't have him on core? It's like saying it is a crime that zai is not on core. About the game ,lmao but fnatic warding was atrocious and smoking too..90% of their smokes were detected ..they are looking worse than ever going into TI..unless something changes ,bottom 4 is waiting for them | ||
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
zai should have taken bulbas offlane and secret without a change | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On July 23 2016 02:40 Kamisamanachi wrote: He is one of the best supports in the scene atm..why it is a crime they don't have him on core? It's like saying it is a crime that zai is not on core. About the game ,lmao but fnatic warding was atrocious and smoking too..90% of their smokes were detected ..they are looking worse than ever going into TI..unless something changes ,bottom 4 is waiting for them he's a better core than every player on that team and putting him on a dazzle is underutilizing his talents just because Mushi's ego forces him to kick players so he can play mid/carry | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On July 23 2016 02:42 lolnoty wrote: he's a better core than every player on that team and putting him on a dazzle is underutilizing his talents just because Mushi's ego forces him to kick players so he can play mid/carry How do u know he is better core than every core on team ? He hasnt played core since a year in competitive ..and u mean to say mushi, a mid/ carry player shouldnt play mid because u think dj is better core which is unproven . I don't like mushi playing core that much too ,but dj better core thing is simply a guess . The bad thing fnatic is doing is putting dj on defensive support and not playmakers where he shines most at.they give midone a right clicker with no playmaking potential ,which is also a big mistake .. | ||
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uriel-
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Kamisamanachi
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On July 23 2016 02:45 uriel- wrote: 343 drafted for game 1. That's why that looked like standard draft and not some random thing | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On July 23 2016 02:42 lolnoty wrote: he's a better core than every player on that team and putting him on a dazzle is underutilizing his talents just because Mushi's ego forces him to kick players so he can play mid/carry None of the 3 plays a good #4. That is an issue. I think the problem was him on such a defensive support. Fnatic really need him to make plays. He single handily ganked navi in game 1 yesterday with nyx. I don't like Mushi for what he did to net, but he is fairly strong as #1/#2. I do think midone is a better mid though, and Mushi should just play carry. Midone can play a tempo controlling or farming mid style, whereas Mushi hasn't been that good lately at the former. | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On July 23 2016 02:45 Kamisamanachi wrote: How do u know he is better core than every core on team ? He hasnt played core since a year in competitive ..and u mean to say mushi, a mid/ carry player shouldnt play mid because u think dj is better core which is unproven . I don't like mushi playing core that much too ,but dj better core thing is simply a guess because I watched games when DJ was a core and evaluated it on that.. ? what are you even talking about with it's a guess that's like saying people were guessing Fear was a good carry during his breaks switching roles in 2012/2013, or his injury in 2014. DJ has the important intangibles like decision making under pressure, consistency in all aspects. things mushi certainly does not have evidenced by his entire career | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On July 23 2016 02:48 DucK- wrote: None of the 3 plays a good #4. That is an issue. I think the problem was him on such a defensive support. Fnatic really need him to make plays. He single handily ganked navi in game 1 yesterday with nyx. I don't like Mushi for what he did to net, but he is fairly strong as #1/#2. I do think midone is a better mid though, and Mushi should just play carry. Midone can play a tempo controlling or farming mid style, whereas Mushi hasn't been that good lately at the former. Midone should be mid, ohaiyo should be kicked, mushi carry, dj offlane, get a real support to fill the roles. Mushi kicking net was (one of) the worst combination of players/positions. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On July 23 2016 02:48 lolnoty wrote: because I watched games when DJ was a core and evaluated it on that.. ? what are you even talking about with it's a guess that's like saying people were guessing Fear was a good carry during his breaks switching roles in 2012/2013, or his injury in 2014. DJ has the important intangibles like decision making under pressure, consistency in all aspects. things mushi certainly does not have evidenced by his entire career And why would dj play core and make mushi play support? I am not getting your logic ..nothing is proven and the team is also different | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On July 23 2016 02:48 DucK- wrote: None of the 3 plays a good #4. That is an issue. I think the problem was him on such a defensive support. Fnatic really need him to make plays. He single handily ganked navi in game 1 yesterday with nyx. I don't like Mushi for what he did to net, but he is fairly strong as #1/#2. I do think midone is a better mid though, and Mushi should just play carry. Midone can play a tempo controlling or farming mid style, whereas Mushi hasn't been that good lately at the former. This is the best I can think for them at this point..just let midone play mid and mushi play carryb..put dj on intitating supports like earthshaker ,enigma..343 on hard support and ohaiyo on initiators Damn..gonna miss navi games..have to sleep | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On July 23 2016 02:53 Kamisamanachi wrote: And why would dj play core and make mushi play support? I am not getting your logic ..nothing is proven and the team is also different Honestly mushi shouldn't play anything, the guy has been an unreliable choker since the start of 2014 (when DK started relieving him of responsibilities and demoting his mid hero pool to easy as possible). His biggest quality is whipping SEA players' asses into ACTUALLY praciticing/scrimming like a real team rather than in game abilities. Put mushi in EU or China and the list of players that play the position better is 10+ people long. | ||
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Vertical
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lolfail9001
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Taf the Ghost
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lolfail9001
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lolfail9001
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On July 23 2016 02:59 Taf the Ghost wrote: CDEC.Youth, whatever you do, PLEASE LOSE! Scared for yo pubs? | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
THEY JUST KILLED YOU THERE, WHY WOULD YOU GO THERE AGAIN wtf ohaiyo | ||
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uriel-
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lolfail9001
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uriel-
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lolfail9001
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On July 23 2016 03:31 DucK- wrote: BTW inflame is the one that brought sniper to competitive, before hohohaha era. I also remember he had terrible sniper in the same time in that one game against DK. | ||
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dutchfriese
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DucK-
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uthgard
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MaCRo.gg
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
On July 23 2016 03:35 MaCRo.gg wrote: Is there a hero more out of the meta than sniper? Even pugna had some promise with Undying tomb. Warlock? bloodseeker | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On July 23 2016 03:31 DucK- wrote: BTW inflame is the one that brought sniper to competitive, before hohohaha era. But Super is the one I hold responsible for showing it was actually a retarded hero. On July 23 2016 03:35 MaCRo.gg wrote: Is there a hero more out of the meta than sniper? Even pugna had some promise with Undying tomb. Warlock? Troll, PA, BS, Techies in growing order of awfulness. | ||
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nojok
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
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uthgard
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lolnoty
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fnatic getting raw torrent owned | ||
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lolfail9001
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
maybe he had a stroke? | ||
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CosmicSpiral
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FuzzyJAM
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Think Fnatic's draft is still good enough to win. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
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Edit: Nope. Thank goodness. | ||
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Diavlo
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Taf the Ghost
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Kuroeeah
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zolasell
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On July 23 2016 04:19 Kuroeeah wrote: I'm probably out of the loop but i thought fairly high of midone as a player more so than mushi as of recently, so why exactly did they swap positions? probably because of the heros.They think mushi playes a better alc so they gave him the midle lane. | ||
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CruelZeratul
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Azarkon
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nanaoei
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DucK-
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On July 23 2016 04:23 zolasell wrote: probably because of the heros.They think mushi playes a better alc so they gave him the midle lane. Probably more like midone plays a better tb | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
it's just a cockblock in front of navi vs eg and w33 vs puppey | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On July 23 2016 04:36 Azarkon wrote: The second level of Chinese teams are pretty bad; you can see the obvious difference in decision making, pick, and skill. CDEC.Y have played considerably better in the past. Their drafts are pretty questionable and they're not all that consistent. I'm also curious as to what you count as T2. CDEC.Y are probably about the 8th (IDK, off the top of my head) best team in the region, which puts them on par for maybe... Ad Finem or something in Europe. Which doesn't seem T2 to me. | ||
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nanaoei
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in this case i think it's true with the bigger picture in mind. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On July 23 2016 04:46 nanaoei wrote: if they're on par with ad finem, whom i consider t2, that would also make cdec.y t2 in this case i think it's true with the bigger picture in mind. I don't think he meant their play is on par with Ad Finem, but that their position in their play area is that is to say, CDEC.Y is 8th best chinese team and Ad Finem is 8th best European team | ||
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MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
On July 23 2016 04:47 TomatoBisque wrote: I don't think he meant their play is on par with Ad Finem, but that their position in their play area is that is to say, CDEC.Y is 8th best chinese team and Ad Finem is 8th best European team I think this is a kinda false, I would put CDEC.Y as the fifth best team in China, behind LGD / Newbee / VG.R / Wings. Even though they didn't make the wildcard in the main qualifiers for TI, they had a uncharacteristically bad tournament. If you look at the more recent Chinese qualifiers and tournaments, they are regularly losing to teams like LGD and Newbee but sometimes beating VG.R and Wings. I'd honestly say that CDEC.Y is more like an Alliance of their region than an Ad Finem. | ||
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nojok
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On July 23 2016 04:53 MetalMercury wrote: I think this is a kinda false, I would put CDEC.Y as the fifth best team in China, behind LGD / Newbee / VG.R / Wings. Even though they didn't make the wildcard in the main qualifiers for TI, they had a uncharacteristically bad tournament. If you look at the more recent Chinese qualifiers and tournaments, they are regularly losing to teams like LGD and Newbee but sometimes beating VG.R and Wings. I'd honestly say that CDEC.Y is more like an Alliance of their region than an Ad Finem. What? They won a TI? They won some tournaments this year? The Chinese scene is rather similar to EU atm, 5 to 8 or 9 is the same thing so any eu T2 team is somewhat comparable to CDEC.Y but not alliance. | ||
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dutchfriese
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On July 23 2016 04:36 Azarkon wrote: The Chinese teams outside of the three or four best teams are pretty bad; you can see the obvious difference in decision making, pick, and skill. You can say that about literally every region. If you took off your blinders for a second you'd realize this. | ||
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Faruko
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lmao the guy is fucking awful | ||
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GOHF
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I mean here's Chandler and Joey from Friends showing some friendship: ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CibVAKHWEAANvqh.jpg) | ||
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lolfail9001
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On July 23 2016 05:52 stuchiu wrote: Did coL get worse? Well, that's on par with stuff they did in match vs DC in NA quals. | ||
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teddyoojo
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On July 23 2016 05:40 Kamisamanachi wrote: Is col really going to lose to friends ? Lmao As demonstrated, friendship is the most powerful force in the universe. | ||
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Elurie
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On July 23 2016 05:54 teddyoojo wrote: i think its time to whip out the STATS BOOK OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH Boooo-urns. | ||
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lolnoty
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cchriss
United States912 Posts
On July 23 2016 05:57 lolnoty wrote: is there a position swindlez can play that won't be a detriment to his team? Coach. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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stuchiu
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
nahaz offlane | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On July 23 2016 05:57 lolnoty wrote: is there a position swindlez can play that won't be a detriment to his team? Panel , Reddit loves his useless banters | ||
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Elurie
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Nah. Let him be the Complexity twitter guy. See if he can outperform the Team Empire twitter guy. | ||
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nojok
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On July 23 2016 06:01 Kamisamanachi wrote: Panel , Reddit loves his useless banters He gave some good insight while on the panel and was overall a fun guy. Way better than the usual suspects like sheever or slacks imo. | ||
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MaCRo.gg
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dutchfriese
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On July 23 2016 05:52 stuchiu wrote: Did coL get worse? Maybe. But they've always been pretty mediocre for the most part. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 23 2016 06:05 stuchiu wrote: The best panelists I've seen are Winter, Synderen, Merlini, EternalEnvy, Swindlez, Charlie, fuckingmad I very strongly disagree with Charlie. Note those are only some (former) dota 2 high level players, we need some players to retire, not like synderen who retired like a Chinese. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
As for Charlie, he gives a unique views as former manager and also doesnt care what people think. | ||
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Diavlo
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 23 2016 06:19 Diavlo wrote: Swindelzz gets a lot of shit for playing badly but I think his brother deserves a part of the blame as well. Yes he plays ES and Ench well but that's pretty much it and it forces Col to always pick him comfort heroes early which really hurts them. It's the price to pay for having access to the easier regional qualifiers. | ||
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Kipsate
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classic CIS going on right now | ||
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cchriss
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spudde123
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On July 23 2016 06:29 Kipsate wrote: sigh why couldn't G's team play this well at qualifiers. I find this amusing reading it straight after that feedtrain | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On July 23 2016 06:31 spudde123 wrote: I find this amusing reading it straight after that feedtrain lmao rip I guess this is why. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
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On July 23 2016 06:33 Asha wrote: alohadance is actually terrible That's a mild way of putting it. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 23 2016 06:44 nayumi wrote: Well to be honest the entire Friends team have been playing pretty mediocre at best, even yoky who was at time one of the best offlaners in the world. It's CIS yolo vs NA dota... so shouldn't read too much into it And their moral is probably not at its highest after failing to qualify to TI and being kicked from VP. | ||
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nojok
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I I L L T I L T | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On July 23 2016 06:51 nanaoei wrote: was cheering for ex-vp, but they are showing some real next level feeding. I mean it is Vp, feeding needlessly is kind of their thing. Remember this beauty, when they gave EG 8 kills in a continuous feed train over 1.5 minute? | ||
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nanaoei
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On July 23 2016 06:55 Diavlo wrote: I mean it is Vp, feeding needlessly is kind of their thing. Remember this beauty, when they gave EG 8 kills in a continuous feed train over 1.5 minute? https://youtu.be/-DskmhtusfQ?t=5m6s brb cleaning my eyesockets i have no problem with with pro mistakes, but this is something else, indescribable. the game we just saw, G was X pinging after his third death and the third delay on his aghs. he knew his team was fucking up beyond acceptable boundaries. i also think morph was farming in all the wrong areas. just wow, real eye opener. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On July 23 2016 07:00 trinxified wrote: yo is starladder happening at the same house as Summit? yes | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
can I ask why lol. does this mean some teams never left and just stayed there after the summit? isn't starladder a CIS event? | ||
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dutchfriese
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On July 23 2016 07:13 trinxified wrote: can I ask why lol. does this mean some teams never left and just stayed there after the summit? isn't starladder a CIS event? it was supposed to be in LA or SF ? And they couldn't book a venue or something. So they just did it at the summit house. That's what I was told here at least. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On July 23 2016 07:13 trinxified wrote: can I ask why lol. does this mean some teams never left and just stayed there after the summit? isn't starladder a CIS event? starladder usually is. If I had to speculate, they were thinking what I was thinking. We can only schedule before TI, but everyone wants to be in NA before TI so do it in NA. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On July 23 2016 07:31 nanaoei wrote: everyone is so poor this game. they don't have a lot of farm either | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
the juggernaut is currently sitting on <350 gpm and they stand to lose the rest of timber's stacks. | ||
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lolfail9001
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nanaoei
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nanaoei
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insane | ||
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maze.
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OuchyDathurts
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Kasto
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Guess the on/off stands true for Col as well or maybe they are just constantly sliding down? | ||
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MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
On July 23 2016 08:05 lolfail9001 wrote: Wildcard team @ TI, everyone. Is it just me or do this year's wildcard teams feel extremely underwhelming as a group? | ||
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nojok
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On July 23 2016 08:07 MetalMercury wrote: Is it just me or do this year's wildcard teams feel extremely underwhelming as a group? That's the consequence of having 2 main event slots up for grabs in the qualifier. Before the wildcards were the second best non-invited teams, now they're the 3rd (and the scene as a whole is in a weird place). | ||
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lolfail9001
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On July 23 2016 08:07 MetalMercury wrote: Is it just me or do this year's wildcard teams feel extremely underwhelming as a group? Well, this year in wildcard we have: 1. At best a 4th best SEA team. 2. EHOME, so who the hell knows what they'll do at TI (probably crash and burn like every iceiceice team at TI, but i expect a decent placing too) 3. Swedish-American pushovers. 4. Synderen's excuse of not being an analyst. Compared to last years: 1. A team nobody thought too relevant until they were (CDEC) 2. Apparently the best SEA team. 3. Solo's excuse of not being an analyst. 4. American pushovers. Yeah, you're right, this year's wildcard is a tad bit more underwhelming. | ||
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On July 23 2016 08:14 lolfail9001 wrote: Well, this year in wildcard we have: 1. At best a 4th best SEA team. 2. EHOME, so who the hell knows what they'll do at TI (probably crash and burn like every iceiceice team at TI, but i expect a decent placing too) 3. Swedish-American pushovers. 4. Synderen's excuse of not being an analyst. Compared to last years: 1. A team nobody thought too relevant until they were (CDEC) 2. Apparently the best SEA team. 3. Solo's excuse of not being an analyst. 4. American pushovers. Yeah, you're right, this year's wildcard is a tad bit more underwhelming. I'm actually beginning to think that Execration might actually be the best team in the wildcard round. What a time to be alive? | ||
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On July 23 2016 08:14 lolfail9001 wrote: Well, this year in wildcard we have: 1. At best a 4th best SEA team. 2. EHOME, so who the hell knows what they'll do at TI (probably crash and burn like every iceiceice team at TI, but i expect a decent placing too) 3. Swedish-American pushovers. 4. Synderen's excuse of not being an analyst. Compared to last years: 1. A team nobody thought too relevant until they were (CDEC) 2. Apparently the best SEA team. 3. Solo's excuse of not being an analyst. 4. American pushovers. Yeah, you're right, this year's wildcard is a tad bit more underwhelming. XctN gonna do some CDEC's story , you hear it first here | ||
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On July 23 2016 08:42 lolfail9001 wrote: Another game Navi will lose to Drow, amirite? EG fans are torn On one hand they don't want to admit navi is a tier 1 team On the other hand they want to claim that if they beat navi then EG is back to tier 1 status | ||
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On July 23 2016 08:48 ch33psh33p wrote: EG fans are torn On one hand they don't want to admit navi is a tier 1 team On the other hand they want to claim that if they beat navi then EG is back to tier 1 status or we just watch dota2 and you're trying too hard mang | ||
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On July 23 2016 08:53 lolnoty wrote: or we just watch dota2 and you're trying too hard mang Lol. You're so cute when you're trying so hard. | ||
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Literally Chinese mistakes, Azarkon, where you at? EDIT: Wtf 1000 gold for 2 kills on 9th minute, i've witnessed rubberband. | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:13 Kipsate wrote: tfw you draft | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:17 cchriss wrote: Navi back or EG not back? Just EG playing t1 teams instead of CN pubstacks or NA tier 5s. | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:17 cchriss wrote: Navi back or EG not back? Na'Vi's been really good lately so not sure whatcha on about They are a lot behind bookies for TI win because of their mental block vs Liquid/OG right now and just spazz against those two teams. They can beat literally everyone else and noone should raise an eyebrow | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:22 bumwithagun wrote: i really hope huskar and drow aren't constantly picked at TI/ how boring. huskar is definitely not boring, pretty exciting for me lol. Drow on the other hand, yeah.. | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:24 Kuroeeah wrote: if drow actually becomes a tier 1 pick, ti6 is going to be really boring. I thought drow was already a tier 1 pick | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:24 Kuroeeah wrote: if drow actually becomes a tier 1 pick, ti6 is going to be really boring. Drow is tier 1 already. So, get prepared to BannedTwitchEmote fests | ||
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I can't say, I really didn't watch a lot of Dota games this patch because of life. | ||
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Drow on the other hand... | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:30 LemOn wrote: I've literally never seen Legion win a competitive game I dare say i did, but it was back in bone7 on Clown 9 days. I remember that one because someone gave bone7 an LC arcana with 322 (or was it 321?) duel victories in pubs. | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:38 TomatoBisque wrote: General and Artstyle 2v3 beat enemy safelane I've never seen this before Seems to happen everytime they dual offlane sandking. | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:38 plasmidghost wrote: EG's just saving starts for TI6 I guess pretending you're Tier3 is part of the strategy too :D | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:44 OuchyDathurts wrote: Leveling empower is what people do now and mega buffing TB was the plan of the draft so leveling empower was always the plan. Was TB being megapoor also part of the plan | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:44 OuchyDathurts wrote: Leveling empower is what people do now and mega buffing TB was the plan of the draft so leveling empower was always the plan. 2100 networth at 9th minute TB was part of the plan too, right  | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:46 OuchyDathurts wrote: That has zero to do with leveling empower. They're not leveling it to help TB get back in the game, they were always going to level it. I know, but your flair caused me to post it anyways. | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:47 Thetwinmasters wrote: this is where you go 4-1-4 on tb and let the huskar do damage to himself doesn't work tho because illusions don't cast orb attacks | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:47 trinxified wrote: doesn't work tho because illusions don't cast orb attacks Do TB illusions even copy passives like Huskar's? If not they're totally useless | ||
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what was Sumail thinking | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:49 LemOn wrote: Eh what was Sumail thinking "If Arise can do it so can I" maybe | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:48 TheTenthDoc wrote: Chen Wisp is some dirty stuff Do TB illusions even copy passives like Huskar's? If not they're totally useless No, Huskar's passive places non-aura buff, so it does not affect illusions (except maybe spell resistance). | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:50 Kuroeeah wrote: arteezy and bulba smiling down on PPD's misfortune. Universe was the real villain all along? | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:48 TheTenthDoc wrote: Chen Wisp is some dirty stuff Do TB illusions even copy passives like Huskar's? If not they're totally useless it does, but not that big of a deal. here's some reference: http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Illusions | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:51 TheTenthDoc wrote: I hope EG didn't plan to use Magnus at TI because this game probably gave Sumail a mental block ont he hero if he didn't have one already Admittedly having to play any mid hero without support against huskar wisp can cause a mental block. | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:50 TomatoBisque wrote: Universe was the real villain all along? Universe was the only reason EG had a chance with his early kills. | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:53 the bear jew wrote: Universe was the only reason EG had a chance with his early kills. I thought we were talking about EG's form in general | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:53 the bear jew wrote: Universe was the only reason EG had a chance with his early kills. The only reason he got the kills was because EG had to ditch top lane completely so he got help. | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:53 Dysisa wrote: I'm really glad to see that EG is back to playing like this again, very fine showing from them here. I hope they continue to play like this in the future too. Nice NiP flair. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
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SK completely poops inside of melee carries so hard its unbelievable but people never seem to really abuse it. Maybe now they will. | ||
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Thanks dude, I like your C9 flair. | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:50 TomatoBisque wrote: Universe was the real villain all along? Puppey is the true mastermind sending Universe as a mole to sabotage the team, but EG undermined themselves anyways. | ||
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Looking really strong as well. Would be a nice throwback to see Na'vi take another Starladder, hopefully they continue to show good doto | ||
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On July 23 2016 09:55 stuchiu wrote: wow fnatic did better vs Na`Vi than EG I think Fnatic is actually a lot better than people here give them credit for. If you start seeing Newbee / Liquid / Wings / OG / Na'Vi as top 5 teams their recent losses don't begin to look nearly as bad. | ||
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edit: oh wait is eg facing friends? nvm. | ||
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On July 23 2016 10:04 Vertical wrote: Oh my sweet baby pumpkin this is finally the long overdue w33 + misery grudge match was there that much bad blodd really? Seemed to go pretty smoothly | ||
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On July 23 2016 10:07 LemOn wrote: was there that much bad blodd really? Seemed to go pretty smoothly w33 and misery didn't think so. | ||
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On July 23 2016 10:08 DucK- wrote: Woke up to navi 1-0. Thought I could catch game 2 after my shower. Rofl guess not. Too quick XD Don't worry, you can watch the replay before the next series starts | ||
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On July 23 2016 10:08 DucK- wrote: Woke up to navi 1-0. Thought I could catch game 2 after my shower. Rofl guess not. Too quick XD Your shower session lasted too long. L2BuffaloBathing. | ||
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On July 23 2016 10:11 Kuroeeah wrote: how are 20 minute showers a thing? depends what you do while showering yeah ill leave it at that. | ||
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On July 23 2016 10:11 Kuroeeah wrote: how are 20 minute showers a thing? I love long showers too. Just love the feel of hot water. :D | ||
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On July 23 2016 10:11 Kuroeeah wrote: how are 20 minute showers a thing? I always use the toilet before showering... so that must be included in the running time. | ||
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On July 23 2016 10:11 Kuroeeah wrote: how are 20 minute showers a thing? Well, when i get around washing my hair, i am usually stuck in shower for half an hour, so they are a thing. | ||
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On July 23 2016 10:11 Kuroeeah wrote: how are 20 minute showers a thing? If you are very meticulous. If you're female 20 minute showers are nothing. | ||
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On July 23 2016 10:19 Kipsate wrote: has DC played Secret before in a bo3, my memory sucks. I don't think so. | ||
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On July 23 2016 10:19 Kipsate wrote: has DC played Secret before in a bo3, my memory sucks. Well i think someone in the panel said it is first time they're facing each other since they had the roster change. I could have heard wrong and can't verify sorry. | ||
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they haven't played each other since w33 and misery left period | ||
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On July 23 2016 10:17 Faruko wrote: if you have long hair and dont go full Neanderthal when showering you could spend 15-20 minutes tbh I only took 5 min to shower including my short hair Fuck me? | ||
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Rofl Rtz wastes a branch for an attempted block that fails. | ||
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On July 23 2016 10:38 TheEmulator wrote: nice Bulba still has a Liquid mousepad probably because he doesnt last enough in teams for the new stuff to get to his house | ||
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On July 23 2016 10:47 Faruko wrote: probably because he doesnt last enough in teams for the new stuff to get to his house not to sound like a certain bilbo lover but i think bulba and pld has been carrying this secret. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/495308388553596928/QU46khbG_400x400.jpeg) | ||
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On July 23 2016 10:23 ch33psh33p wrote: People thinking EG was actually back.. Alliance was back for 2 years before they were actually back. | ||
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On July 23 2016 11:01 stuchiu wrote: Alliance was back for 2 years before they were actually back. and after that brief period of actually being back, they have returned to being back | ||
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On July 23 2016 11:01 stuchiu wrote: Alliance was back for 2 years before they were actually back. how in the world is anyone supposed to have a good idea of who's strong and weak after this year's crazy shuffles? we had a major winner change rosters twice already. | ||
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On July 23 2016 11:03 Kuroeeah wrote: how in the world is anyone supposed to have a good idea of who's strong and weak after this year's crazy shuffles? we had a major winner change rosters twice already. liquid and OG are good i'm fairly certain of that | ||
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But god damn, they are bad. | ||
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On July 23 2016 11:04 Shaella wrote: liquid and OG are good i'm fairly certain of that I don't trust Na'vi enough to think they're actually good despite their results and I still think Alliance is bad, not back. I don't know where Secret and EG are either. This year is crazy | ||
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On July 23 2016 11:03 Kuroeeah wrote: how in the world is anyone supposed to have a good idea of who's strong and weak after this year's crazy shuffles? we had a major winner change rosters twice already. This is the least stratified of any year of Dota2. Except TI2? Not sure since I wasn't around for that. *I don't count TI1 for obvious reasons | ||
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On July 23 2016 11:07 Kuroeeah wrote: I don't trust Na'vi enough to think they're actually good despite their results and I still think Alliance is bad, not back. I don't know where Secret and EG are either. This year is crazy Just because those team suck does not mean this year is crazy. It's just the year of OG & Liquid | ||
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On July 23 2016 11:12 Vertical wrote: Just because those team suck does not mean this year is crazy. It's just the year of OG & Liquid This year is crazy, how does a winner of a major just radically change their roster after the fact? We don't even get the chance to see whether w33's Secret could have gone even further. I do agree this should be OG's year. I still think DC is the main beneficiary of the tri-shuffle. They went from being a team that lost to Archon to a team that actually looks pretty okay? | ||
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On July 23 2016 11:22 plasmidghost wrote: Saddest Storm play I've ever seen tbh mirana boots + bottle in minute 1 , blame the 9k player | ||
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On July 23 2016 11:24 pellejohnson wrote: Why are people expecting two open qualifier teams to do better than this? Oh c'mon now.... | ||
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On July 23 2016 11:25 sunrazgriz wrote: mirana boots + bottle in minute 1 , blame the 9k player Storm won mid creep stat-wise, actually. And Arteezy had his useless plays, but that's more of a hero. | ||
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On July 23 2016 11:27 lolfail9001 wrote: Storm won mid creep stat-wise, actually. And Arteezy had his useless plays, but that's more of a hero. Arteezy made some bad plays i'll be real | ||
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He played Storm Spirit, you cannot make good plays on that hero since 6.85. | ||
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The sad thing is the way the hero loses, he has just no impact whatsoever and feels like a burden for his team every time. | ||
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On July 23 2016 11:34 Kamisamanachi wrote: Wait what ? EG got stomped 2-0 by navi and secret is down 1 game ..wew. O P E N Q U A L I F I E R B O Y S | ||
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On July 23 2016 11:16 Kuroeeah wrote: This year is crazy, how does a winner of a major just radically change their roster after the fact? We don't even get the chance to see whether w33's Secret could have gone even further. I do agree this should be OG's year. I still think DC is the main beneficiary of the tri-shuffle. They went from being a team that lost to Archon to a team that actually looks pretty okay? And last year TI winner kicked their player right after winning it. It's just life, get on with it. | ||
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On July 23 2016 11:33 Xurr wrote: This was not on Rtz, the hero is just a pile of shit. Matumbaman tried it at the Summit, failed. Miracle tried it at the Summit, went ok for a bit, then imploded. Blink tried it at the Summit, failed. Now Sumail and Arteezy failed. lol secret actually picked storm ? | ||
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Yes, everyone mentioned played Storm and lost. | ||
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On July 23 2016 11:34 Kuroeeah wrote: unpopular opinion : i think puppey is the worst player on secret I'd agree, before they got Bubla. Solid 2nd now though. | ||
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On July 23 2016 11:39 Kamisamanachi wrote: It is weird tho ,because I have seen teams win with that hero many times in Chinese qualifiers maybe it's just teams who can't play around him Was not there a stat that Storm had like 30% winrate in Chinese quals? | ||
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sunrazgriz
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On July 23 2016 11:36 Vertical wrote: And last year TI winner kicked their player right after winning it. It's just life, get on with it. that shuffle RTZ has part in it also , what a coincidence | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On July 23 2016 11:40 lolfail9001 wrote: Was not there a stat that Storm had like 30% winrate in Chinese quals? Idk but I've seen quite a few teams pick him and win with it..I might be wrong . | ||
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sunrazgriz
Vatican City State1573 Posts
On July 23 2016 11:40 lolfail9001 wrote: Was not there a stat that Storm had like 30% winrate in Chinese quals? the plan was callback + ball lighting for high ground defense , but EG tired of waiting in their base | ||
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On July 23 2016 11:48 Kuroeeah wrote: why is twitch saying EE batrider? Is that not a Bulba bat? ee is secret's bat player i also have never seen bulba outside tide/ds | ||
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Vankuga
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On July 23 2016 11:48 Kuroeeah wrote: why is twitch saying EE batrider? Is that not a Bulba bat? I think its because EE has been spamming Bat when he streams. | ||
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tm_invincible
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lolfail9001
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Pain. Oh, Ursa too. | ||
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TomatoBisque
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On July 23 2016 11:58 Emnjay808 wrote: Dumb question: Is this tournament being held in the Summit house? What with TI6 literally around the corner, so everyone saves travel time. yes | ||
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a_flayer
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Puppey vs Misery RTZ vs W33 | ||
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goody153
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edit: i thikn my stream is a minute delayed | ||
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On July 23 2016 12:05 Emnjay808 wrote: how does secret's lategame fare vs DC's? I dunno this game feels like pl is just gonna eat secret later. And DC has lots of control and lots of magic damage | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On July 23 2016 12:09 TomatoBisque wrote: Thing is that pie can just disruption a random PL illusion and make his own army Army of illusions that last 8 seconds total. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
Also PL's going to need a second diffusal this game at some point. | ||
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On July 23 2016 12:21 Orome wrote: this is some shit-tier timber performance timbershit | ||
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Orome
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On July 23 2016 12:22 goody153 wrote: how do you deal pl illusions as ursa , does battlefury work ? or do you buy mjolnir ? or just hope that you are hitting the real pl something like that I think you go hex or rely on teammate disable to blow him up before he can doppel/kite/swarm you. You're not fighting the fully functional PL army no matter what. | ||
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goody153
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On July 23 2016 12:26 Orome wrote: I think you go hex or rely on teammate disable to blow him up before he can doppel/kite/swarm you. You're not fighting the fully functional PL army no matter what. Hmm i thought i've seen sven/jugg manfight PL with just cleave a couple of times no problem but it's probably cause jugg/sven has a really high dps. | ||
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Kuroeeah
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On July 23 2016 12:37 Orome wrote: meanwhile, mvp has a 7k networth offlane bristle at 10 minutes new patch, same mvp. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
On July 23 2016 12:37 Orome wrote: meanwhile, mvp has a 7k networth offlane bristle at 10 minutes Against a T3 Chinese team though. | ||
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sure but it's not like we haven't seen mvp run over tier 1 teams with wisp bristle before either | ||
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guess it's not secret either | ||
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On July 23 2016 13:21 Kaj wrote: This game is so over for DC right now. Alch is possibly the hardest carry this game, and with how farmed he is, once he gets oct, it will be impossible for DC to burst him down. And he can still gift aghs to his team when it goes a bit later. basically GG. Props to RTZ tho, he played so well without getting caught once while farming all his items. i don't know, the entire game is weighed on rtz. | ||
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Shaella
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mistakes that would ruin anyone else just don't matter. | ||
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TomatoBisque
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On July 23 2016 13:28 Shaella wrote: alchemist is basically the donald trump of dota. mistakes that would ruin anyone else just don't matter. jesus | ||
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OuchyDathurts
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ch33psh33p
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They simply have no understanding of late game execution. Mental midgets that crumble at the slighest sign of pressure. Plan to bomb 3 straight LANs going into Ti6 last place finish well on course. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
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On July 23 2016 13:29 Kuroeeah wrote: what did this draft look like again? was AA banned? Secret last banned AA right after taking Alch | ||
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goody153
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pretty sure last time i watched the score was like 1-12 | ||
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Shaella
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On July 23 2016 13:30 goody153 wrote: uhm how did this happen again ? i was reading stuff and when i tuned in again secret got rax pretty sure last time i watched the score was like 1-12 Alchemist is the donald trump of dota thats how | ||
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goody153
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On July 23 2016 13:29 Z-BosoN wrote: Yea Secret lost this, whatever, gonna put my chicken in the oven and prepare the rice. Wtf??? 2-13 kill score high ground push? replace the putting chicken in the oven with reading a book with me i had the same reaction | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On July 23 2016 13:30 goody153 wrote: uhm how did this happen again ? i was reading stuff and when i tuned in again secret got rax pretty sure last time i watched the score was like 1-12 they were pushing highground at like 3-12 it was just pure 4+1 with Alch as 1 | ||
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Alpino
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On July 23 2016 13:30 goody153 wrote: uhm how did this happen again ? i was reading stuff and when i tuned in again secret got rax pretty sure last time i watched the score was like 1-12 if alch is unkillable he's just a deathzone pushing into your base | ||
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On July 23 2016 13:31 TomatoBisque wrote: they were pushing highground at like 3-12 it was just pure 4+1 with Alch as 1 i know that rtz got like 13 minutes radiance so i assume secret just went lgd-mode with rtz and dodged fights | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On July 23 2016 13:32 zev318 wrote: what was rtz's gpm www.dotabuff.com 1k it looks like | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On July 23 2016 13:33 goody153 wrote: i know that rtz got like 13 minutes radiance so i assume secret just went lgd-mode with rtz and dodged fights they didn't dodge fights after alch finished farming. they just won fights(without getting many kills though) because alch was 10k+ ahead of everyone. DC were the ones that were scared to fight | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On July 23 2016 13:33 goody153 wrote: i know that rtz got like 13 minutes radiance so i assume secret just went lgd-mode with rtz and dodged fights rtz never died so he just got huge while the rest of the team went around and got picked off, and then they had like mek and pipe with a 6 slotted alch and just rofl'd on DC because DC couldn't take down alch and radiance+veno aids killed everyone Like secret would just 5 man push and DC was scared to fight because RTZ could just run at them | ||
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goody153
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On July 23 2016 13:34 Alpino wrote: they didn't dodge fights after alch finished farming. they just won fights because alch was 10k+ ahead of everyone. DC were the ones that were scared to fight soo the next fight was when rtz was 6slot ? damn he got maxed fast | ||
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On July 23 2016 13:35 Kuroeeah wrote: i underestimated puppey's damage that game. he actually did almost as much damage as rtz considering he was just feeding all game. venocancer mate i think aghs veil veno deals like 3k or something damage | ||
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GOHF
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Kuroeeah
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On July 23 2016 13:36 goody153 wrote: venocancer mate i think aghs veil veno deals like 3k or something damage i don't think puppey reached aghs or veil. there was one crucial teamfight outside of dcs base where he landed a 5 man ult to aids everyone to death. it's just kinda strange to see that he nearly matched rtz in damage. | ||
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goody153
44125 Posts
On July 23 2016 13:36 OuchyDathurts wrote: Veno has always been an absolute god of damage. It doesn't matter at all if he dies, if he gets his 2 spells off its fine he won. he's the real suicide bomber not techies On July 23 2016 13:38 Kuroeeah wrote: i don't think puppey reached aghs or veil. there was one crucial teamfight outside of dcs base where he landed a 5 man ult to aids everyone to death. it's just kinda strange to see that he nearly matched rtz in damage. he hasn't even reached aghs yet and he did that damage lol i've seen this veno bullshit before with aghs+veil it's ridiculous | ||
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Kuroeeah
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On July 23 2016 13:38 goody153 wrote: he's the real suicide bomber not techies and he hasn't even reached aghs yet lol i've seen this veno bullshit before with aghs+veil it's ridiculous don't get me wrong, i know veno is the god of damage but it's just sorta a reminder that even though I thought puppey was feeding the entire game (and no one can dispute he gave away unnecessary kills), he just walked up to the center of DC, ulted and everyone died. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
And fucking PPD lost to Eastern European team again, damn, but hey, we all know what happens to his team when they lose. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On July 23 2016 13:41 Azarkon wrote: This is just Arteezy showing the guy he replaced his place. And fucking PPD lost to Eastern European team again, damn, but hey, we all know what happens to his team when they lose. Third place? | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On July 23 2016 13:38 M.S.Bismarck wrote: Why give the Alch aghs to Shadow Demon instead of Venomancer? SD's aghs is highly underrated. Yeah it wasn't super good this game, but it still removes jugg crit and void bash. Also it's 3 charges of that person is 100% dead, if you get purged you're just done nothing is saving you. It wasn't a massive deal though this game he could have given it to veno too, the game was done regardless. | ||
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goody153
44125 Posts
On July 23 2016 13:40 Kuroeeah wrote: don't get me wrong, i know veno is the god of damage but it's just sorta a reminder that even though I thought puppey was feeding the entire game (and no one can dispute he gave away unnecessary kills), he just walked up to the center of DC, ulted and everyone died. i was probably tabbed out on that part .. i just tuned in and got confused on how the fuck are secret ended up highground pushing and the killscore was so behind so navi vs secret winners bracket finals eh | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On July 23 2016 13:40 Kamisamanachi wrote: Puppey looks like the worst player on secret ...even pie plays better than him. That's a pretty misplaced "even". Pie carried his team to a Major win and has been among the very best support players in the world since joining Secret. Yeah Puppey is the worst player on Secret from an execution and positioning point of view. But he brings a lot of interesting stuff to the team with his heropool besides being a godly captain. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On July 23 2016 13:41 Azarkon wrote: This is just Arteezy showing the guy he replaced his place. You don't get the same MMR as Miracle and have no skill to show for it. And fucking PPD lost to Eastern European team again, damn, but hey, we all know what happens to his team when they lose. They get last place , just as in Manila major . Stop overhyping shit open qualifier teams | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On July 23 2016 13:43 Alpino wrote: That's a pretty misplaced "even". Pie carried his team to a Major win and has been among the very best support players in the world since joining Secret. But yeah Puppey is the worst player on Secret from an execution and positioning point of view. But he brings a lot of interesting stuff to the team with his heropool besides being a godly captain. Yes..pie has been pretty good player since last few months and I dig it..I just found Puppey to be a punching bag in most of their games .that's all. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On July 23 2016 13:41 Azarkon wrote: This is just Arteezy showing the guy he replaced his place. You don't get the same MMR as Miracle and have no skill to show for it. And fucking PPD lost to Eastern European team again, damn, but hey, we all know what happens to his team when they lose. lol ur hero can't get 1k gpm and make illusions know your place. both teams played bad. rtz didn't because he didn't actually have to play dota at all. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On July 23 2016 13:43 Kamisamanachi wrote: They get last place , just as in Manila major . Stop overhyping shit open qualifier teams gr8 b8 m8 | ||
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goody153
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On July 23 2016 13:43 Alpino wrote: That's a pretty misplaced "even". Pie carried his team to a Major win and has been among the very best support players in the world since joining Secret. Yeah Puppey is the worst player on Secret from an execution and positioning point of view. But he brings a lot of interesting stuff to the team with his heropool besides being a godly captain. Well tbh it's always puppey's other support(kky/pld) that showcases plays and stellar positioning in his teams not him but for sure what he brings to the team is irreplacable even he like feeds 6 times in a row like artstyle. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On July 23 2016 13:43 Kamisamanachi wrote: They get last place , just as in Manila major . Stop overhyping shit open qualifier teams Or they win it all. We will see. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On July 23 2016 13:45 Kabras wrote: lol ur hero can't get 1k gpm and make illusions know your place. both teams played bad. rtz didn't because he didn't actually have to play dota at all. They couldn't shut him down because? It's not though the hero hasn't been tried time and time again by other teams, including the best teams at the moment, and not work. | ||
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Kuroeeah
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On July 23 2016 13:45 goody153 wrote: Well it's always puppey's other support(kky/pld) that showcases plays and stellar positioning in his teams not him but for sure what he brings to the team is irreplacable even he like feeds 6 times in a row like artstyle. puppey might have the greatest mind in dota but as of recently even during their winning games, it's weird to see how puppey gets a free pass even though the rest of secret gets the full brunt of the criticism. "oh it's ee's fault", "bulba sucks", "pieliefeed" | ||
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goody153
44125 Posts
On July 23 2016 13:49 Kuroeeah wrote: puppey might have the greatest mind in dota but as of recently even during their winning games, it's weird to see how puppey gets a free pass even though the rest of secret gets the full brunt of the criticism. "oh it's ee's fault", "bulba sucks", "pieliefeed" Well if it helps i'm one of the biggest puppey critic lol he does this walk into the entire enemy team from time to time which is really annoying from what i've noticed pie actually gets the least shit out of all of them and the most who gets shit is bulba then rtz/ee | ||
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Kuroeeah
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On July 23 2016 13:51 goody153 wrote: Well if it helps i'm one of the biggest puppey critic lol from what i've noticed pie actually gets the least shit out of all of them and the most who gets shit is bulba then rtz/ee i can't even fathom how anyone could even criticize pie. every secret game i've watched, pie actually plays like a god, always being in the right place behind EE or RTZ, proper spell usage and of course pieliedie space. he's been playing like pieliedie god mode when everyone called him the best player during mlg columbus. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On July 23 2016 13:47 Azarkon wrote: They couldn't shut him down because? It's not though the hero hasn't been tried time and time again by other teams, including the best teams at the moment, and not work. because they were killing the rest of his team left and right while he hid in the woods for 25 minutes? dc lost this game because they shit the bed when it mattered the most. when alchemist finally came to fight jugg wasted the aegis and died again and the best chrono we've seen all game was a 1 hero one. dc played bad enough to lose to a pve draft but if you think secret played well idk what to tell you. | ||
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Kaj
Singapore269 Posts
RTZ also played extremely well. I mean he was decently shut down, with a 9 min armlet on Alch and he managed to farm a radiance in 14 mins without getting caught. Those kills on veno and other heroes are inconsequential to the overall gameplan. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
I said Arteezy did well, and show why they chose him. And yes, knowing how to farm fast and what to do when you have farm, is a skill. | ||
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On July 23 2016 13:53 Kuroeeah wrote: i can't even fathom how anyone could even criticize pie. every secret game i've watched, pie actually plays like a god, always being in the right place behind EE or RTZ, proper spell usage and of course pieliedie space. he's been playing like pieliedie god mode when everyone called him the best player during mlg columbus. Yeah he actually rarely makes mistakes and is the most reliable in both w33/misery and rtz/bulba roster. Though at some point during his c9 period and after he got kicked from he wasn't that spectacular anymore but as he joined secret he suddenly like gained back the pie-god gameplay. It must have just been motivation issues or something cause at one point with c9 he made some really sloppy mistakes like when they were highground siege-ing he placed the highground ward after his carry starts to siege not as the siege is about to happen lol | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On July 23 2016 13:56 Azarkon wrote: I didn't say Secret did well. I said Arteezy did well, and showed why they chose him. And yes, knowing how to farm fast and what to do when you have farm, is a skill. he didn't do anything special, not that game at least. any pro can hit creeps for 25 mins and be efficient at it if the rest of his team is throwing bodies at the enemy to make sure you get space. this really isn't the game to hype him up, wait till he plays a hero that pvps at least. | ||
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Kuroeeah
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On July 23 2016 14:00 goody153 wrote: Yeah he actually rarely makes mistakes and is the most reliable in both w33/misery and rtz/bulba roster. Though at some point during his c9 period and after he got kicked from he wasn't that spectacular anymore but as he joined secret he suddenly like gained back the pie-god gameplay. It must have just been motivation issues or something cause at one point with c9 he made some really sloppy mistakes like when they were highground siege-ing he placed the highground ward after his carry starts to siege not as the siege is about to happen lol supporting bone7 is an endeavor that could turn even the strongest men insane. | ||
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goody153
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On July 23 2016 14:04 Kuroeeah wrote: supporting bone7 is an endeavor that could turn even the strongest men insane. lol but seriously bone7 wasn't that absolutely bad (except for the later c9 times where he was just i don't even .. ) he had some times where he was doing super well as an offlaner ofc most of the time he bordered from being bone-chan and bone322 | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On July 23 2016 14:01 Kabras wrote: he didn't do anything special, not that game at least. any pro can hit creeps for 25 mins and be efficient at it if the rest of his team is throwing bodies at the enemy to make sure you get space. this really isn't the game to hype him up, wait till he plays a hero that pvps at least. Hm. I think he played pretty amazing. Not only he recovered from a bad early game while ditching his own lane but he understood the balance of power and hero movement very well in the game. His decision making was flawless. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Teams have to play around their players, and Secret chose to play around Arteezy, and Arteezy showed that they weren't wrong in doing so, that's all I'm going to say. Of course, the team has other problems, so it's not though they became one of the best with that win. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On July 23 2016 14:11 Azarkon wrote: People think too little of the ability to find farm when your team is getting killed all over the map, and the ability to make use of that farm to carry your team - and this used to be THE strategy in Dota. That is the quality Arteezy is best known for. It IS his skill. He's not Miracle. He doesn't make the plays Miracle does because he doesn't have the same skill in that area. But his farm is around the same speed and on more heroes. That's what makes him what he is. Teams have to play around their players, and Secret chose to play around Arteezy, and Arteezy showed that they weren't wrong in doing so, that's all I'm going to say. Of course, the team has other problems, so it's not though they became one of the best with that win. you know, if you're gonna take half a screen to say 25 mins of pve it's still 25 mins of pve. any pro player can do that. every single one. even ones that don't play core heroes could get that gpm on alchemist in that particular game where 4 people fed their asses off to keep him safe. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On July 23 2016 14:24 Kabras wrote: you know, if you're gonna take half a screen to say 25 mins of pve it's still 25 mins of pve. any pro player can do that. every single one. even ones that don't play core heroes could get that gpm on alchemist in that particular game where 4 people fed their asses off to keep him safe. This | ||
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Singapore269 Posts
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zolasell
Greece288 Posts
On July 23 2016 14:24 Kabras wrote: you know, if you're gonna take half a screen to say 25 mins of pve it's still 25 mins of pve. any pro player can do that. every single one. even ones that don't play core heroes could get that gpm on alchemist in that particular game where 4 people fed their asses off to keep him safe. Not really.AS we have seen in a lot of games most pros would either brake under presure and feed,or they would get farmed but it would be something like 30/35 mins.Very few pros can farm with the speed and the eficiency that RTZ can farm. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On July 23 2016 17:00 sweatbomb wrote: Wow I thought maybe EG was back from the dumpster but getting 0-2ed by NaVi is pretty damn bad.. They were back from the dumpster for a series and then again got put into the dumpster a day after ..might be back from dumpster today against fnatic | ||
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goody153
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On July 23 2016 18:42 Kamisamanachi wrote: Ye ..it starts in 6 hrs damn well it's saturday i can finally watch in time (even though it's gonna happen midnight here) no classes and drinking session that would obstruct me now | ||
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France15845 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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