EPTIMO the pick ban phase needs some sort of revamp. There are too many versatile heroes to open up a draft and OP situational heroes to follow up. By the time you understand the opponent's gameplan with their 3rd or 4th pick, it might be too late to do anything.
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babysimba
10466 Posts
IMO the pick ban phase needs some sort of revamp. There are too many versatile heroes to open up a draft and OP situational heroes to follow up. By the time you understand the opponent's gameplan with their 3rd or 4th pick, it might be too late to do anything. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On May 13 2016 01:48 babysimba wrote: The team who executes better usually understands the game better and draft better. IMO the pick ban phase needs some sort of revamp. There are too many versatile heroes to open up a draft and OP situational heroes to follow up. By the time you understand the opponent's gameplan with their 3rd or 4th pick, it might be too late to do anything. Secret is notable exception to the first sentence, since most of the time they rely on execution over draft quality. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On May 13 2016 01:41 Azarkon wrote: I wonder whether Newbee ever play against this sort of pick from Chinese teams. I think this is the first time I've seen them on pretty different heroes, except for Kaka, and it didn't work. DatDota is having problems still, but DotaBuff suggest, in the last 6 months, they've played against 6 Drows and were 3-3. | ||
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malcram
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konadora
Singapore66202 Posts
On May 13 2016 01:49 lolfail9001 wrote: Secret is notable exception to the first sentence, since most of the time they rely on execution over draft quality. and usually they fail... feelsbadman | ||
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ymir233
United States8275 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On May 13 2016 01:44 haxhax wrote: ALERT The damage control is now in full effect Except a flood of "draft won", "newbee threw" and "5manning OP" posts (unfortunately le balanced bird excuse has been retired due to recent events) It's only a bo3 btw, no way OG would win a bo7 against newbee, newbee are still jetlagged, kaka was sick, the booths are not soundproof, the air conditionning was not settled, the couple next door at the hotel made too much noise last night, newbee's practice games were leaked, the patch is still young, the computer screens are only 30Hz, Hao's mouse was stolen, Mu had an hangover. If any of this did not happen, ez win for newbee. | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On May 13 2016 01:48 babysimba wrote: The team who executes better usually understands the game better and draft better. IMO the pick ban phase needs some sort of revamp. There are too many versatile heroes to open up a draft and OP situational heroes to follow up. By the time you understand the opponent's gameplan with their 3rd or 4th pick, it might be too late to do anything. If this is the case, is it a flaw of the drafting phase or Icefrog's approach to balance? A certain homogenization of heroes' strengths/weaknesses has been happening for a while. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On May 13 2016 01:45 lolfail9001 wrote: 1. 5manning OP 2. Newbee did not throw, because they were not in advantage, they just conceded the game with the fight at top. 3. Draft was down to execution. This is pretty much it. OG did well. They almost undermined their early advantage by feeding some deaths to NewBee. Mu blowing an early ravage on a Wisp kill wasn't great and ceded control of game. NewBee itemization was poor after that. OG executed well in all aspects the game. And I have no idea what the Dark Seer pick was about. NewBee needed wave clear more than more team fight. | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
On May 13 2016 01:49 lolfail9001 wrote: Secret is notable exception to the first sentence, since most of the time they rely on execution over draft quality. That's why i said usually. They often draft specifically to players not heroes. Their gameplan against CIS teams is pretty much always the same over the years because they know they suck at using the map. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On May 13 2016 01:51 TanGeng wrote: This is pretty much it. OG did well. They almost undermined their early advantage by feeding some deaths to NewBee. Mu blowing an early ravage on a Wisp kill wasn't great and ceded control of game. NewBee itemization was poor after that. OG executed well in all aspects the game. And I have no idea what the Dark Seer pick was about. NewBee needed wave clear more than more team fight. Dark Seer was a Hail Mary. There's a reason the pick came down to the last few seconds. They'd Pick/Banned themselves into a corner and there wasn't much of a way out. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 13 2016 01:49 Taf the Ghost wrote: DatDota is having problems still, but DotaBuff suggest, in the last 6 months, they've played against 6 Drows and were 3-3. I think it's just a matter of those teams not having the skill that OG does. This is why having several top teams in a region is important. Else you think your strategy works, but it's just a matter of the other team having less skill. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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Danzo
2820 Posts
On May 13 2016 01:38 Aldehyde wrote: Interrupting the panel mid-sentence for random shots of Fly being interviewed but no sound and then again for the interview with PPD and Kuroky seems pretty bad to me. That along with the sound makes it pretty terrible. My opinion is affected by the stream lagging a lot, though. Well, the standard of production for Dota tournaments is lower than any of the other esports I watch. Way lower. Are you new? Of course Dota 2 tournaments have been piss poor. Look at Shanghai Major. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On May 12 2016 10:40 goody153 wrote: wait lower bracket is b03 ? Yay thank jesus! We all want that Secret EG matchup in the losers finals! | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On May 13 2016 01:54 Azarkon wrote: I think it's just a matter of the teams they play against not having the skill that OG does. This is why having several top teams in a region is important. Else you think your strategy works, but it's just a matter of the other team having less skill. I'm always amazed when Regional Pocket Picks suddenly works. /Huskar nightmares. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On May 13 2016 01:51 TanGeng wrote: This is pretty much it. OG did well. They almost undermined their early advantage by feeding some deaths to NewBee. Mu blowing an early ravage on a Wisp kill wasn't great and ceded control of game. NewBee itemization was poor after that. OG executed well in all aspects the game. And I have no idea what the Dark Seer pick was about. NewBee needed wave clear more than more team fight. It seems like their whole draft was an overestimation of Phoenix, which is odd given they just beat Phoenix the game before. Like their only draft synergy and plan out would be Phoenix going ham until Slark comes online in a big way. Like they built up this big Wombo Combo with the majority of the damage coming from Phoenix... but seems oblivious to OG's draft heading towards a lot of good fight disruption especially against Phoenix. | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
On May 13 2016 01:55 LemOn wrote: Yay thank jesus! We all want that Secret EG matchup in the losers finals! Secret vs Newbee comes first heh | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On May 13 2016 01:55 LemOn wrote: Yay thank jesus! We all want that Secret EG matchup in the losers finals! secret will have to make it farther than that to find EG  | ||
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