On May 13 2016 01:33 Aldehyde wrote: This production is seriously terrible at this point.
You've missed the intro.
And you clearly missed the meaning of my sentence.
Besides the poor audio, I don't really see how the production is "terrible" so far.
Interrupting the panel mid-sentence for random shots of Fly being interviewed but no sound and then again for the interview with PPD and Kuroky seems pretty bad to me.
That along with the sound makes it pretty terrible.
My opinion is affected by the stream lagging a lot, though.
On May 13 2016 01:33 Aldehyde wrote: This production is seriously terrible at this point.
You've missed the intro.
And you clearly missed the meaning of my sentence.
Besides the poor audio, I don't really see how the production is "terrible" so far.
Interrupting the panel mid-sentence for random shots of Fly being interviewed but no sound and then again for the interview with PPD and Kuroky seems pretty bad to me.
That along with the sound makes it pretty terrible.
My opinion is affected by the stream lagging a lot, though.
On May 13 2016 01:24 Azarkon wrote: This is also what happens when you win too much. You don't even understand the weakness of your pick, so when you do get figure out, you have no way to change it.
China's lack of good drafters has been their undoing for much of the last 2 years. It's the reason, for all of their faults, Xiao8 & Rotk can always find teams. Fy looked really good on VG.R for actually adapting. But Newbee is less about the drafts and more about Chuan & Kaka's synergy & play. So keeping them off a good synergy with the Strategy coming at them is the important way to counter Newbee.
This accurately reflects my sentiment too. I wonder if old Vici failed because Fy felt pressure whenever he tried to experiment. His drafting became very conservative during TI5 and later.
When 6.86 hit, Fy seemed to have no clue what to draft for VG. He was pretty clearly, in the China tournaments, trying stuff he would normally do in scrims. It suggested to me that they'd stopped practicing. But they could get by because the Chinese drafters all know how each other operate.
Obviously, we saw at Shanghai how badly that works.
At this point in professional Dota 2, strong pre-draft planning is most of the Game. If you can identify either a hole in a draft or what strategy a team is going to do by the end of the first picks, you can produce a decisive advantage. EG spent most of 6.86 drafting Dark Seer + Earth Spirit in the first phase for this reason. They could play all of their strategies with those opening picks.
I think teams need both coaches and an analysis staff. Call them "scouts" if you want. The first team to really adapt to a full-time scout will have a pretty massive advantage.
On May 13 2016 01:39 Wineandbread wrote: Wow I go do work for like 20 minutes and NB get rekt by a drow strat, grats to OG. Draft looked incredibly well played by Fly (who had first pick?)
Anyway, let's see if NB can't refocus and adapt through the tournament :O
I wonder whether Newbee ever play against this sort of pick from Chinese teams. I think this is the first time I've seen them on pretty different heroes, except for Kaka, and it didn't work.
On May 13 2016 01:24 Azarkon wrote: This is also what happens when you win too much. You don't even understand the weakness of your pick, so when you do get figure out, you have no way to change it.
China's lack of good drafters has been their undoing for much of the last 2 years. It's the reason, for all of their faults, Xiao8 & Rotk can always find teams. Fy looked really good on VG.R for actually adapting. But Newbee is less about the drafts and more about Chuan & Kaka's synergy & play. So keeping them off a good synergy with the Strategy coming at them is the important way to counter Newbee.
This accurately reflects my sentiment too. I wonder if old Vici failed because Fy felt pressure whenever he tried to experiment. His drafting became very conservative during TI5 and later.
When 6.86 hit, Fy seemed to have no clue what to draft for VG. He was pretty clearly, in the China tournaments, trying stuff he would normally do in scrims. It suggested to me that they'd stopped practicing. But they could get by because the Chinese drafters all know how each other operate.
Obviously, we saw at Shanghai how badly that works.
At this point in professional Dota 2, strong pre-draft planning is most of the Game. If you can identify either a hole in a draft or what strategy a team is going to do by the end of the first picks, you can produce a decisive advantage. EG spent most of 6.86 drafting Dark Seer + Earth Spirit in the first phase for this reason. They could play all of their strategies with those opening picks.
I think teams need both coaches and an analysis staff. Call them "scouts" if you want. The first team to really adapt to a full-time scout will have a pretty massive advantage.
IMO i believe 70% of the game is won based on drafting.
On May 13 2016 01:24 Azarkon wrote: This is also what happens when you win too much. You don't even understand the weakness of your pick, so when you do get figure out, you have no way to change it.
China's lack of good drafters has been their undoing for much of the last 2 years. It's the reason, for all of their faults, Xiao8 & Rotk can always find teams. Fy looked really good on VG.R for actually adapting. But Newbee is less about the drafts and more about Chuan & Kaka's synergy & play. So keeping them off a good synergy with the Strategy coming at them is the important way to counter Newbee.
This accurately reflects my sentiment too. I wonder if old Vici failed because Fy felt pressure whenever he tried to experiment. His drafting became very conservative during TI5 and later.
When 6.86 hit, Fy seemed to have no clue what to draft for VG. He was pretty clearly, in the China tournaments, trying stuff he would normally do in scrims. It suggested to me that they'd stopped practicing. But they could get by because the Chinese drafters all know how each other operate.
Obviously, we saw at Shanghai how badly that works.
At this point in professional Dota 2, strong pre-draft planning is most of the Game. If you can identify either a hole in a draft or what strategy a team is going to do by the end of the first picks, you can produce a decisive advantage. EG spent most of 6.86 drafting Dark Seer + Earth Spirit in the first phase for this reason. They could play all of their strategies with those opening picks.
I think teams need both coaches and an analysis staff. Call them "scouts" if you want. The first team to really adapt to a full-time scout will have a pretty massive advantage.
IMO i believe 70% of the game is won based on drafting.
30% is on execution
I think that's a lot of confirmation bias because you never see the same draft twice let alone 3+ times. Especially because for drafts that are possibly equal people tend to revision themselves into believe the winning team had the stronger draft.
On May 13 2016 01:24 Azarkon wrote: This is also what happens when you win too much. You don't even understand the weakness of your pick, so when you do get figure out, you have no way to change it.
China's lack of good drafters has been their undoing for much of the last 2 years. It's the reason, for all of their faults, Xiao8 & Rotk can always find teams. Fy looked really good on VG.R for actually adapting. But Newbee is less about the drafts and more about Chuan & Kaka's synergy & play. So keeping them off a good synergy with the Strategy coming at them is the important way to counter Newbee.
This accurately reflects my sentiment too. I wonder if old Vici failed because Fy felt pressure whenever he tried to experiment. His drafting became very conservative during TI5 and later.
When 6.86 hit, Fy seemed to have no clue what to draft for VG. He was pretty clearly, in the China tournaments, trying stuff he would normally do in scrims. It suggested to me that they'd stopped practicing. But they could get by because the Chinese drafters all know how each other operate.
Obviously, we saw at Shanghai how badly that works.
At this point in professional Dota 2, strong pre-draft planning is most of the Game. If you can identify either a hole in a draft or what strategy a team is going to do by the end of the first picks, you can produce a decisive advantage. EG spent most of 6.86 drafting Dark Seer + Earth Spirit in the first phase for this reason. They could play all of their strategies with those opening picks.
I think teams need both coaches and an analysis staff. Call them "scouts" if you want. The first team to really adapt to a full-time scout will have a pretty massive advantage.
Team structure in Dota is indeed bad. Teams still look to their players, such as Puppey, PPD, etc. to come up with the strategy and the pick, when in League of Legends it's always the coach.
On May 13 2016 01:24 Azarkon wrote: This is also what happens when you win too much. You don't even understand the weakness of your pick, so when you do get figure out, you have no way to change it.
China's lack of good drafters has been their undoing for much of the last 2 years. It's the reason, for all of their faults, Xiao8 & Rotk can always find teams. Fy looked really good on VG.R for actually adapting. But Newbee is less about the drafts and more about Chuan & Kaka's synergy & play. So keeping them off a good synergy with the Strategy coming at them is the important way to counter Newbee.
This accurately reflects my sentiment too. I wonder if old Vici failed because Fy felt pressure whenever he tried to experiment. His drafting became very conservative during TI5 and later.
When 6.86 hit, Fy seemed to have no clue what to draft for VG. He was pretty clearly, in the China tournaments, trying stuff he would normally do in scrims. It suggested to me that they'd stopped practicing. But they could get by because the Chinese drafters all know how each other operate.
Obviously, we saw at Shanghai how badly that works.
At this point in professional Dota 2, strong pre-draft planning is most of the Game. If you can identify either a hole in a draft or what strategy a team is going to do by the end of the first picks, you can produce a decisive advantage. EG spent most of 6.86 drafting Dark Seer + Earth Spirit in the first phase for this reason. They could play all of their strategies with those opening picks.
I think teams need both coaches and an analysis staff. Call them "scouts" if you want. The first team to really adapt to a full-time scout will have a pretty massive advantage.
IMO i believe 70% of the game is won based on drafting.
30% is on execution
I think that's a lot of confirmation bias because you never see the same draft twice let alone 3+ times. Especially because for drafts that are possibly equal people tend to revision themselves into believe the winning team had the stronger draft.
Actually in 6.85 we have seen plenty of pretty much exact drafts win games over and over.
On May 13 2016 01:24 Azarkon wrote: This is also what happens when you win too much. You don't even understand the weakness of your pick, so when you do get figure out, you have no way to change it.
China's lack of good drafters has been their undoing for much of the last 2 years. It's the reason, for all of their faults, Xiao8 & Rotk can always find teams. Fy looked really good on VG.R for actually adapting. But Newbee is less about the drafts and more about Chuan & Kaka's synergy & play. So keeping them off a good synergy with the Strategy coming at them is the important way to counter Newbee.
This accurately reflects my sentiment too. I wonder if old Vici failed because Fy felt pressure whenever he tried to experiment. His drafting became very conservative during TI5 and later.
When 6.86 hit, Fy seemed to have no clue what to draft for VG. He was pretty clearly, in the China tournaments, trying stuff he would normally do in scrims. It suggested to me that they'd stopped practicing. But they could get by because the Chinese drafters all know how each other operate.
Obviously, we saw at Shanghai how badly that works.
At this point in professional Dota 2, strong pre-draft planning is most of the Game. If you can identify either a hole in a draft or what strategy a team is going to do by the end of the first picks, you can produce a decisive advantage. EG spent most of 6.86 drafting Dark Seer + Earth Spirit in the first phase for this reason. They could play all of their strategies with those opening picks.
I think teams need both coaches and an analysis staff. Call them "scouts" if you want. The first team to really adapt to a full-time scout will have a pretty massive advantage.
IMO i believe 70% of the game is won based on drafting.
30% is on execution
i would say 50:50. if u just execute better as a team, you can overcome worse draft pretty easy
Except a flood of "draft won", "newbee threw" and "5manning OP" posts (unfortunately le balanced bird excuse has been retired due to recent events)
except the last game truly was due to draft advantage
not to say it put them in a superb ahead lead, but i'd say around 60/40. newbee kinda shot themselves in the foot with their own draft and itemisation.
On May 13 2016 01:24 Azarkon wrote: This is also what happens when you win too much. You don't even understand the weakness of your pick, so when you do get figure out, you have no way to change it.
China's lack of good drafters has been their undoing for much of the last 2 years. It's the reason, for all of their faults, Xiao8 & Rotk can always find teams. Fy looked really good on VG.R for actually adapting. But Newbee is less about the drafts and more about Chuan & Kaka's synergy & play. So keeping them off a good synergy with the Strategy coming at them is the important way to counter Newbee.
This accurately reflects my sentiment too. I wonder if old Vici failed because Fy felt pressure whenever he tried to experiment. His drafting became very conservative during TI5 and later.
When 6.86 hit, Fy seemed to have no clue what to draft for VG. He was pretty clearly, in the China tournaments, trying stuff he would normally do in scrims. It suggested to me that they'd stopped practicing. But they could get by because the Chinese drafters all know how each other operate.
Obviously, we saw at Shanghai how badly that works.
At this point in professional Dota 2, strong pre-draft planning is most of the Game. If you can identify either a hole in a draft or what strategy a team is going to do by the end of the first picks, you can produce a decisive advantage. EG spent most of 6.86 drafting Dark Seer + Earth Spirit in the first phase for this reason. They could play all of their strategies with those opening picks.
I think teams need both coaches and an analysis staff. Call them "scouts" if you want. The first team to really adapt to a full-time scout will have a pretty massive advantage.
IMO i believe 70% of the game is won based on drafting.
30% is on execution
I think that's a lot of confirmation bias because you never see the same draft twice let alone 3+ times. Especially because for drafts that are possibly equal people tend to revision themselves into believe the winning team had the stronger draft.
Actually in 6.85 we have seen plenty of pretty much exact drafts win games over and over.
That's pretty vague and not data driven though. Even if true, it doesn't imply anyhting about how many drafts end up like that; like no one would dare say drafts can't decide a game, just that we don't have data on them. Even worse is the teams tend to be the ones running similar drafts at which point it's unclear if it's the team (with that draft) or the draft itself.
On May 13 2016 01:24 Azarkon wrote: This is also what happens when you win too much. You don't even understand the weakness of your pick, so when you do get figure out, you have no way to change it.
China's lack of good drafters has been their undoing for much of the last 2 years. It's the reason, for all of their faults, Xiao8 & Rotk can always find teams. Fy looked really good on VG.R for actually adapting. But Newbee is less about the drafts and more about Chuan & Kaka's synergy & play. So keeping them off a good synergy with the Strategy coming at them is the important way to counter Newbee.
This accurately reflects my sentiment too. I wonder if old Vici failed because Fy felt pressure whenever he tried to experiment. His drafting became very conservative during TI5 and later.
When 6.86 hit, Fy seemed to have no clue what to draft for VG. He was pretty clearly, in the China tournaments, trying stuff he would normally do in scrims. It suggested to me that they'd stopped practicing. But they could get by because the Chinese drafters all know how each other operate.
Obviously, we saw at Shanghai how badly that works.
At this point in professional Dota 2, strong pre-draft planning is most of the Game. If you can identify either a hole in a draft or what strategy a team is going to do by the end of the first picks, you can produce a decisive advantage. EG spent most of 6.86 drafting Dark Seer + Earth Spirit in the first phase for this reason. They could play all of their strategies with those opening picks.
I think teams need both coaches and an analysis staff. Call them "scouts" if you want. The first team to really adapt to a full-time scout will have a pretty massive advantage.
IMO i believe 70% of the game is won based on drafting.
30% is on execution
I think that's a lot of confirmation bias because you never see the same draft twice let alone 3+ times. Especially because for drafts that are possibly equal people tend to revision themselves into believe the winning team had the stronger draft.
Actually in 6.85 we have seen plenty of pretty much exact drafts win games over and over.
That's pretty vague and not data driven though. Even if true, it doesn't imply anyhting about how many drafts end up like that; like no one would dare say drafts can't decide a game, just that we don't have data on them. Even worse is the teams tend to be the ones running similar drafts at which point it's unclear if it's the team (with that draft) or the draft itself.
The point is that while it's true that exact draft likely don't win games, but exact drafts pretty much never happen, while overall strats do rule the patch with iron fist.
EPT
