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bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
May 12 2016 16:29 GMT
#1021
Lets see how EG handle the 5 man , you bet your ass Liquid is gonig to bring it with Lycan/BM/Razor/NP , should be a good series of clash of styles , 5 man liquid vs no fight 20 min style of EG.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
May 12 2016 16:29 GMT
#1022
On May 13 2016 01:29 MSanch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2016 01:21 blobrus wrote:
On May 13 2016 01:19 MSanch wrote:
Those 5 man starts are so painful to watch... Even a sick comeback wouldn't stop the boredom of this game


A lot of other strats have basically been killed in some form or another.


Yes, that's why I watch (and play) way less Dota than before. I even find 4 protect 1 more interesting to watch, it can let players show their game-feel, ganks, rotation and a few team-fights.
With this 5 man push strats you only see teamfights and a lot of parts the game aren't an option anymore.

Buff kotl of the light!
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 12 2016 16:29 GMT
#1023
On May 13 2016 01:28 Nedereden wrote:
Sorry Azarkon. This was a straight up draft loss. Even a tier 2/3 team wud have raped NB with such a draft advantage.


They got out pick two out of three games and even the second game was close to it. You simply can't do the same strategy again and again, and hope it works. You get out pick when you get figure out.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
May 12 2016 16:29 GMT
#1024
calling it, liquid 2-0 EG
POGGERS
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
May 12 2016 16:30 GMT
#1025
It seems like I haven't seen enough drow strats on this patch. Missed the other time it got played too.
Moderator我们是个踏实的赞助商模式俱乐部
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-12 16:30:43
May 12 2016 16:30 GMT
#1026
Against drow strats I feel you should not be contesting then when they are 5man pushing your T2. You should be trading their T1s. Basically keep trading towers. Drow strats thrive on getting an early gold lead through towers, but you minimise it by taking their towers too.

The only time you contest should be at T3 and roshan. The latter in particular is very important to deny them.
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
May 12 2016 16:30 GMT
#1027
On May 13 2016 01:29 bluzi wrote:
Lets see how EG handle the 5 man , you bet your ass Liquid is gonig to bring it with Lycan/BM/Razor/NP , should be a good series of clash of styles , 5 man liquid vs no fight 20 min style of EG.


EG will probably get their ass handed to them. EG seems to fall short against Drow strats or heavy push strats in general.
Getting too old for this..
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 12 2016 16:30 GMT
#1028
On May 13 2016 01:24 Azarkon wrote:
This is also what happens when you win too much. You don't even understand the weakness of your pick, so when you do get figure out, you have no way to change it.


China's lack of good drafters has been their undoing for much of the last 2 years. It's the reason, for all of their faults, Xiao8 & Rotk can always find teams. Fy looked really good on VG.R for actually adapting. But Newbee is less about the drafts and more about Chuan & Kaka's synergy & play. So keeping them off a good synergy with the Strategy coming at them is the important way to counter Newbee.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
May 12 2016 16:30 GMT
#1029
On May 13 2016 01:29 konadora wrote:
calling it, liquid 2-0 EG

But for Bulba
Moderator我们是个踏实的赞助商模式俱乐部
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
May 12 2016 16:30 GMT
#1030
I am more interested in how many TL moderators that are eating humble pie atm. It must be a feast.
LiangHao
Aldehyde
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden939 Posts
May 12 2016 16:31 GMT
#1031
On May 13 2016 01:28 the bear jew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2016 01:24 Doraemon wrote:
On May 13 2016 01:23 Azarkon wrote:
Azarkon was right, Newbee was left.


nah. nb made too many significant mistakes, if it wasn't for those, OG wouldn't have won

/s


What does that even mean? Every game, people will make mistakes, teams make mistakes. You win by capitalizing on your opponents mistakes and minimizing yours. OG put themselves in a good position to do exactly that.

What was Newbee going to do that game? Slark can't 1 v 5 early and OG would be together, best way to keep slark under control is to not give him pick off opportunities. Even if Newbee took better early fights, OG could just push, take towers, take rosh whenever Newbee's ults were on cooldown. It wasn't play mistakes as an outdraft.


Pretty sure he was doing his version of Azarkon's explanations/excuses whenever a western team loses to a Chinese one.
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4564 Posts
May 12 2016 16:31 GMT
#1032
On May 13 2016 01:28 TanGeng wrote:
Scripts that run on websites. Enabled by tools such as greasemonkey.



http://www.liquiddota.com/blogs/491245-mute-annoying-users-in-lr-threads


For those people who didn't know
Mute user function on TL; http://www.liquiddota.com/blogs/491245-mute-annoying-users-in-lr-threads
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
May 12 2016 16:32 GMT
#1033
Nerf overall xp gained as more group up might be an option
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
May 12 2016 16:32 GMT
#1034
dayymmm those TL jerseys are so nice... to bad I've fallen to the dark side
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
May 12 2016 16:32 GMT
#1035
On May 13 2016 01:29 MSanch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2016 01:21 blobrus wrote:
On May 13 2016 01:19 MSanch wrote:
Those 5 man starts are so painful to watch... Even a sick comeback wouldn't stop the boredom of this game


A lot of other strats have basically been killed in some form or another.


Yes, that's why I watch (and play) way less Dota than before. I even find 4 protect 1 more interesting to watch, it can let players show their game-feel, ganks, rotation and a few team-fights.
With this 5 man push strats you only see teamfights and a lot of parts the game aren't an option anymore.


It's why OG and Newbee are doing very well this patch.
OG love to play 5 man fights based around Miracle.

And Newbee loves 5 man teamfight since TI4.

Also, it's why Alliance will be back to the dumpster.
And EG will adapt.

Play your best
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
May 12 2016 16:32 GMT
#1036
On May 13 2016 01:30 TanGeng wrote:
It seems like I haven't seen enough drow strats on this patch. Missed the other time it got played too.


Remember Drow strats with Troll Warlord, scary times.
Getting too old for this..
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
May 12 2016 16:32 GMT
#1037
On May 13 2016 01:31 LennX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2016 01:28 TanGeng wrote:
Scripts that run on websites. Enabled by tools such as greasemonkey.



http://www.liquiddota.com/blogs/491245-mute-annoying-users-in-lr-threads


For those people who didn't know

Oh, that's why I get so few answers.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
May 12 2016 16:33 GMT
#1038
On May 13 2016 01:32 Danzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2016 01:30 TanGeng wrote:
It seems like I haven't seen enough drow strats on this patch. Missed the other time it got played too.


Remember Drow strats with Troll Warlord, scary times.

I do. I'm going to hide under my bed now.
Moderator我们是个踏实的赞助商模式俱乐部
Aldehyde
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden939 Posts
May 12 2016 16:33 GMT
#1039
This production is seriously terrible at this point.
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
May 12 2016 16:33 GMT
#1040
EG>Liquid 2-1 plz.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
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