EPTOn May 11 2016 04:00 Nyan wrote:
it doesn't matter how good a team was when a patch changes the game.
it doesn't matter how good a team was when a patch changes the game.
At this point, adapting to the patch is part of dota.
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Plansix
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At this point, adapting to the patch is part of dota. | ||
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On May 11 2016 04:01 Plansix wrote: I am pretty sure the BKB just gets baited out and kited. He was nearly immortal that in most fights and was half an attack from getting that egg. Yeah the only time he died in fights was when he was isolated AND even then both of his late game deaths were from Supernova & Sun Ray combos. | ||
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Plansix
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TanGeng
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And Shivas is very good compared most item options. Mostly EG got completely pulled out of formation and killed in a big line because Sumail chased after the naga. | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
On May 11 2016 03:53 ForTehDarkseid wrote: What's more useful for a fights against Lionvoker+Phoenix+Naga Radiance burn Shivas+Octarine or a fucking BKB+Basher? heck, even mjornir would be better. did you ever even play alch? you need armor. you need octa. especially vs naga+weaver+invoker. the only thing that's partially debatable is the aghs choice, and giving it to disruptor doesnt automatically win them the fights/game. | ||
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United States7542 Posts
On May 11 2016 04:28 Andre wrote: did you ever even play alch? you need armor. you need octa. especially vs naga+weaver+invoker. the only thing that's partially debatable is the aghs choice, and giving it to disruptor doesnt automatically win them the fights/game. It's also worth pointing out there's only 2 items worth muting with Disruptor Agh's: Weaver's BKB and Lion's Force Staff. You can't underestimate the extra damage output for sure or the ability to catch weaver, but it's not like they were against a team with 2-3 BKB cores. The item muting property would really only be there to try and catch out Hao and that's it. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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On May 11 2016 04:28 Andre wrote: did you ever even play alch? you need armor. you need octa. especially vs naga+weaver+invoker. the only thing that's partially debatable is the aghs choice, and giving it to disruptor doesnt automatically win them the fights/game. Shivas+Oct is 11k. 30+k nw close to zero dps waste. It's unoptimal as fuck. You have survivablity/sustain with Manta+Armlet toggle. But yeah having armor and getting sunburnt to death while being perma-disabled is a much better choice than jumping on Newbee with a dmg items intead. I have nothing against Oct, if the next item is a dps one, honestly. Or even a aghs for a team. | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
Gold costs really don't matter at this point, going bkb+whatever item MIGHT have had a positive short term effect on EG's fighting capabilities but it wouldn't matter one bit. You're still fighting 3 elusive heroes+naga splitpush, good luck. Not to mention alch suffers the most from going mid game/fighting items when they don't pay off as you approach the later stages of the game due to so much gold. I really don't know what you mean by unoptimal, shiva was the best item he could've gotten at that point. Without shiva he dies instantly in fights. armor+ AS reduction+cd are too good vs the team he played against to pass. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
Only damage item from weaver was desolator (not sure if i can count AC as a damage item, it gives as, i guess) | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On May 11 2016 03:36 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Western teams are really meh at the moment if they are losing with a superior drafts to a standard Newbee ones. I don't think ppd gives too much fuck about it though, lgd still sucks....na seriously maybe you wait who wins the tournament, before you say they suck. secret and eg are not that strong right now. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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Without BKB he gets kited and does zero DPS on top on that. If he had a dps and utility against Naga (basher/mjornir) it doesn't matter if he dies - he takes at least one core with him. And Aui finishes the deal. I mean, you can get Shivas on top of that - but then sell your Armlet. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On May 11 2016 03:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Go on and act like ppd told Sumail to build Shivas and Octarine before Aghs. I mean ppd thought it was going to be KPII's Phoenix offlane (with kaka on a team, lel), he was really high this series. And yet they almost did it because of team's synergy. forthedarkseid smarter then ppd confirmed | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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I fucking love ppd. And I know he doesn't care about group stages that much every single non-major tournament. Look at last ban WD. Please try to explain it. You can't say a drafter is in serious mood when he considers Lion/WD core. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On May 11 2016 05:11 ForTehDarkseid wrote: @hunter_x, S A L T. I fucking love ppd. And I know he doesn't care about group stage whatsoever. Look at last ban WD. Please try to explain it. You can't say a drafter is serious mode one when he considers Lion/WD core. why do you think im salty? people always think that lol. i just saw a dumb comment and answered that;) | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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On May 11 2016 05:13 hunter_x wrote: why do you think im salty? people always think that lol. i just saw a dumb comment and answered that;) Obviously a remark about LGD, lol. As long as they beat iG tmrw, they are playing nice bracket with all top Chinese team for Summit 5 invite, we'd see how they fare. It's really irrelevant to the point how uninspired TS's plays were today. RTZ is simply abysmal on his supposedly comfort heroes, what else to say. Suma1l outplays him in a mid 9 times out of 10 unless miracle happenned. | ||
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blobrus
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hunter_x
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ForTehDarkseid
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I mean, the idea that iceice's Wings can body 75% of Western teams isn't something to puru-puru about. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On May 11 2016 05:26 ForTehDarkseid wrote: @hunter_x, well, Wings wasn't a even a clear tier 2 team in a Chinese scene to begin with. Swept ESL finals with a 3-0. VG won easily with a coach in mid. Newbee is yet to lose a game. Compared to Secret's heavily underperforming, Liquid tilting, and every other Western team bar EG being random in general, it doesn't bode well for a future major. I mean, the idea that iceice's Wings can body 75% of Western teams isn't something to puru-puru about. vg won that tournament against pretty weak opponents. esl one manila was one of these tournaments, like vega winning esl new york. i doubt wings will do much more in the future. and what liquid tilting? just wait until they played, then we can talk again. obviously im biased as a liquid fan, but i think they can beat newbee. we will see... also there is still time until the major, eg and secret are still quite new. remember last time, when everyone thought secret are done for, while ehome dominated the west? we all know what happened after that;) | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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>every good Western team aside from freshly reformed EG/TS + LGD which eventually took 3rd. Last time I checked, Vega didn't win 3-0. And didn't you notice the vast array of strats Wings used to achieve that? Liquid are losing the games after getting a lead early on every single tournament, don't know the reasons really. Will be interesting to see how they play against Newbee, true. | ||
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