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On May 11 2016 03:19 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 03:18 ref4 wrote:
why did sumail give aghs to beastmaster and not to disruptor -- disruptor aghs is 1 of the best aghs upgrade in the game plus they don't need the extra range on primal roar cuz glimpse + aether lense is already like 50 screens long anyway Because PPD told him to, I'm sure, which is why I think PPD's decisions that game weren't the best. They'll learn, I still feel they had the advantage in the pick against Newbee. They just didn't play well enough.
I liked EG's picks, but I do think Newbee's picks were about as good (if not slightly better).
Newbee had a great stalling game vs a team that needs certain cooldowns to stand a chance in the fight (Rage & Static Storm mostly). And in a full on fight EG had way too many targets to commit to. If you leave Naga alone she'll reset the fight, if you don't disable Weaver he can go ham, if you don't disable the Phoenix your entire team will melt and then you have an Invoker and Lion controlling things on top of all that. You could see in a lot of the team fights they had to all split up their focus, sometimes it worked but more often in the pitched fights it didn't.
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I bet late game aui would just eat ppd and keep him inside to prevent him dying before he got off spells you know?
Not saying that changes things just theorizing about how EG would play
As others have said i've never seen LS aghs in pro play
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Sanya12364 Posts
NewBee haven't even won the tournament yet. One of today's teams might even have two shots against them.
As long as good dota is played.
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On May 11 2016 03:26 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 03:24 Nedereden wrote:On May 11 2016 03:19 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:18 Nedereden wrote:
Never thought Id see the day when Azarkons posts are the most reasonable on the thread ... by a mile!
10/10 bait Is it? Is it really? Well, he did call Secret one of the two best Western teams. In a tournament with Team Liquid
And you srsly think this EG is the second?
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Alchemist isn't a Sumail hero. I bet my ass Aui would've won it for EG much easily with the start Sumail had. I mean, he bought a fucking Shivas and gifted bulba with a buff he doesn't need over Disruptor+Bain aghs which Newbee had no means to deal with.
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On May 11 2016 03:26 Orome wrote:
I would've liked to see that game go to maxed radiant alch with 4 fed aghs vs 6-slotted triple dire core.
you nasty man
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On May 11 2016 03:28 Nedereden wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 03:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:24 Nedereden wrote:On May 11 2016 03:19 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:18 Nedereden wrote:
Never thought Id see the day when Azarkons posts are the most reasonable on the thread ... by a mile!
10/10 bait Is it? Is it really? Well, he did call Secret one of the two best Western teams. In a tournament with Team Liquid And you srsly think this EG is the second?
This EG? To be honest, after accounting for patch, OG is better, unless Bulba plays DS.
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On May 11 2016 03:28 Nedereden wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 03:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:24 Nedereden wrote:On May 11 2016 03:19 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:18 Nedereden wrote:
Never thought Id see the day when Azarkons posts are the most reasonable on the thread ... by a mile!
10/10 bait Is it? Is it really? Well, he did call Secret one of the two best Western teams. In a tournament with Team Liquid And you srsly think this EG is the second?
I believe the point is that Liquid is clearly one of the top 2 so whoever the other is, it can't be both EG and Secret
On May 11 2016 03:29 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 03:28 Nedereden wrote:On May 11 2016 03:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:24 Nedereden wrote:On May 11 2016 03:19 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:18 Nedereden wrote:
Never thought Id see the day when Azarkons posts are the most reasonable on the thread ... by a mile!
10/10 bait Is it? Is it really? Well, he did call Secret one of the two best Western teams. In a tournament with Team Liquid And you srsly think this EG is the second? This EG? To be honest, after accounting for patch, OG is better, unless Bulba plays DS.
lel og
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On May 11 2016 03:29 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 03:28 Nedereden wrote:On May 11 2016 03:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:24 Nedereden wrote:On May 11 2016 03:19 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:18 Nedereden wrote:
Never thought Id see the day when Azarkons posts are the most reasonable on the thread ... by a mile!
10/10 bait Is it? Is it really? Well, he did call Secret one of the two best Western teams. In a tournament with Team Liquid And you srsly think this EG is the second? This EG? To be honest, after accounting for patch, OG is better.
EG may not even be top1 NA atm.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On May 11 2016 03:29 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 03:28 Nedereden wrote:On May 11 2016 03:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:24 Nedereden wrote:On May 11 2016 03:19 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:18 Nedereden wrote:
Never thought Id see the day when Azarkons posts are the most reasonable on the thread ... by a mile!
10/10 bait Is it? Is it really? Well, he did call Secret one of the two best Western teams. In a tournament with Team Liquid And you srsly think this EG is the second? I believe the point is that Liquid is clearly one of the top 2 so whoever the other is, it can't be both EG and Secret Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 03:29 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:28 Nedereden wrote:On May 11 2016 03:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:24 Nedereden wrote:On May 11 2016 03:19 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:18 Nedereden wrote:
Never thought Id see the day when Azarkons posts are the most reasonable on the thread ... by a mile!
10/10 bait Is it? Is it really? Well, he did call Secret one of the two best Western teams. In a tournament with Team Liquid And you srsly think this EG is the second? This EG? To be honest, after accounting for patch, OG is better, unless Bulba plays DS. lel og
Hey, n0tail did not exactly place n0herospheres in that void game, so OG are clearly better.
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How about we wait and see what happens tomorrow and the days after that.. Seems likely that we will have Secret vs EG and then Secret/EG vs TL, not to mention the rest of the tournament
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On May 11 2016 03:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
I bet late game aui would just eat ppd and keep him inside to prevent him dying before he got off spells you know?
Not saying that changes things just theorizing about how EG would play
As others have said i've never seen LS aghs in pro play
That seems dangerous? Wouldn't it put disruptor in terrible positioning for the fights. It seems more like you'd stack Alch in LS and LS in Beastmaster then go for Roar burst initiations.
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On May 11 2016 03:29 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 03:28 Nedereden wrote:On May 11 2016 03:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:24 Nedereden wrote:On May 11 2016 03:19 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:18 Nedereden wrote:
Never thought Id see the day when Azarkons posts are the most reasonable on the thread ... by a mile!
10/10 bait Is it? Is it really? Well, he did call Secret one of the two best Western teams. In a tournament with Team Liquid And you srsly think this EG is the second? This EG? To be honest, after accounting for patch, OG is better, unless Bulba plays DS.
Well, EG wouldn't lose to Liquid in a fashion OG did today, that's for damn sure.
Bane's Aghs is the fucking best item against Invoker-Naga with Alchemist+Naix in a team.
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On May 11 2016 03:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
I bet late game aui would just eat ppd and keep him inside to prevent him dying before he got off spells you know?
Not saying that changes things just theorizing about how EG would play
As others have said i've never seen LS aghs in pro play
I wud suggest Aghs assimilate Sufail and then infest into Bulba. Bulba roars then gets in close... Naix jumps out and goes to work... and then Raid Boss Alch jumps outta him to mop up the rest!
Whatsay you PPD??
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I don't think you could afford to ever have alch in LS outside of LS using it to save him
alch is too much of your map pressure
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7 west vs 1 china in EU soil, and so far it's looking really good for the Chinese :D
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On May 11 2016 03:31 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 03:29 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:28 Nedereden wrote:On May 11 2016 03:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:24 Nedereden wrote:On May 11 2016 03:19 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 11 2016 03:18 Nedereden wrote:
Never thought Id see the day when Azarkons posts are the most reasonable on the thread ... by a mile!
10/10 bait Is it? Is it really? Well, he did call Secret one of the two best Western teams. In a tournament with Team Liquid And you srsly think this EG is the second? This EG? To be honest, after accounting for patch, OG is better, unless Bulba plays DS. Well, EG wouldn't lose to Liquid in a fashion OG did today, that's for damn sure.
True, they would lose to 2 Lion picks in a row instead.
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On May 11 2016 03:32 Sn0_Man wrote:
I don't think you could afford to ever have alch in LS outside of LS using it to save him
alch is too much of your map pressure
Yeah fair enough.
You would maybe just save it to save heroes then. Eat whomever is hexed then let them burst out.
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On May 11 2016 03:26 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 03:19 Azarkon wrote:On May 11 2016 03:18 ref4 wrote:
why did sumail give aghs to beastmaster and not to disruptor -- disruptor aghs is 1 of the best aghs upgrade in the game plus they don't need the extra range on primal roar cuz glimpse + aether lense is already like 50 screens long anyway Because PPD told him to, I'm sure, which is why I think PPD's decisions that game weren't the best. They'll learn, I still feel they had the advantage in the pick against Newbee. They just didn't play well enough. I liked EG's picks, but I do think Newbee's picks were about as good (if not slightly better). Newbee had a great stalling game vs a team that needs certain cooldowns to stand a chance in the fight (Rage & Static Storm mostly). And in a full on fight EG had way too many targets to commit to. If you leave Naga alone she'll reset the fight, if you don't disable Weaver he can go ham, if you don't disable the Phoenix your entire team will melt and then you have an Invoker and Lion controlling things on top of all that. You could see in a lot of the team fights they had to all split up their focus, sometimes it worked but more often in the pitched fights it didn't.
I feel that PPD's strategy was harder to pull off, but it did have an answer to all that Newbee had, so the loss was on not being able to play well enough. There were several mistakes that game that led to it not working. But different from Secret's mistakes, these were mistakes made as a team, rather than a one player "throw." Besides Sumail's one time getting caught on Newbee's side, the other mistakes were all made in team fights and when to team fight. The last fight that decide the game is an example: why did PPD call for this fight, instead of doing it when all his team has what they need, and when Sumail has buy, I don't know. But that's the way it is and they will have to improve.
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Looking back at the fight with the clutch egg: https://www.twitch.tv/epicenter_en1/v/65602399?t=11h36m00s
I don't agree with purge, both EG cores would probably die even if the egg goes down. kp blows bb anyway and tps in on one of the heroes. With diffusal charges left, no chance they let aui or sumail escape.
After they push highground after this, phoenix seems kind of a nonfactor in their victory push. He rays invoker to try and keep him alive, but he dies anyway and buys back to seal the deal.
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