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ch33psh33p
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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bluzi
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On May 11 2016 09:05 Steelavocado wrote: Just so everyone is aware I am 95% confident that PPD was just testing newbee today to try a couple strats and poke at them to see what they are about. I watched the games again and you can tell that they are def trying to win, but trying some stupid shit or running stuff for the first time. Although they could have tried hard 100%, there is so much more to learn in a loss esp. against a hot team like NB. Being a fan of EG, theres an unusual feeling you get about todays game. I see EG>NB later in this tourny Oh its the famous saving strats for lower bracket run ? is that it ? LOL , do you really think EG wants to play another BO3 for their upper bracket life ? do you think they feel THAT confident ? they will run into Secret now , which is far from ez win , they are not on top of the Dota world anymore and I am 100% confident he picked the BEST he could to win the game and avoid the stress of another BO3 against Secret of all teams. The unusual feeling is the fact they got outplayed HARD by a better team for that series , and as a EG fan you are not used to it , thats all  | ||
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mutantmagnet
United States3789 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On May 11 2016 12:52 bluzi wrote: Oh its the famous saving strats for lower bracket run ? is that it ? LOL , do you really think EG wants to play another BO3 for their upper bracket life ? do you think they feel THAT confident ? they will run into Secret now , which is far from ez win , they are not on top of the Dota world anymore and I am 100% confident he picked the BEST he could to win the game and avoid the stress of another BO3 against Secret of all teams. The unusual feeling is the fact they got outplayed HARD by a better team for that series , and as a EG fan you are not used to it , thats all You don't understand what Peter does. I find it annoying what he does, sometimes, but it works for a reason. In Game 1, they did a "standard EG" draft. Gives away little of what they're really thinking this tournament & establishes a set of heroes. Further, it forces the other team to have a plan for EG. (All Tier 1 teams are required to, and that standard "plan" is pretty straight forward right now.) Newbee was prepared and won. It's what happens when you run the anti-EG strategy against "standard" EG. (Though I'm still pretty sure the CM pick was a resignation that he'd already lost the draft and knew it. He really should have picked Lion as their 3rd pick.) Game 2 is where we saw things change. EG rolled out a pretty different set of heroes and a different approach. That game was on a knife's edge late, as it really ended up coming down to 1-2 swings on the Egg. Both teams know how close it was (and just how high-level the Dota was). If they face up again, things will look fairly different, as both sides have new wrinkles to watch out for. | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On May 11 2016 12:10 ch33psh33p wrote: alright the BOYS are gonna take care of VP today and then beat EG BELIEVE i think you meant beliEEve FIGHT ON SECRET | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On May 11 2016 14:20 Taf the Ghost wrote: You don't understand what Peter does. I find it annoying what he does, sometimes, but it works for a reason. In Game 1, they did a "standard EG" draft. Gives away little of what they're really thinking this tournament & establishes a set of heroes. Further, it forces the other team to have a plan for EG. (All Tier 1 teams are required to, and that standard "plan" is pretty straight forward right now.) Newbee was prepared and won. It's what happens when you run the anti-EG strategy against "standard" EG. (Though I'm still pretty sure the CM pick was a resignation that he'd already lost the draft and knew it. He really should have picked Lion as their 3rd pick.) Game 2 is where we saw things change. EG rolled out a pretty different set of heroes and a different approach. That game was on a knife's edge late, as it really ended up coming down to 1-2 swings on the Egg. Both teams know how close it was (and just how high-level the Dota was). If they face up again, things will look fairly different, as both sides have new wrinkles to watch out for. if eg beats secret today i'll believe you otherwise back to the dumpster with the na boys. | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On May 11 2016 14:20 Taf the Ghost wrote: You don't understand what Peter does. I find it annoying what he does, sometimes, but it works for a reason. In Game 1, they did a "standard EG" draft. Gives away little of what they're really thinking this tournament & establishes a set of heroes. Further, it forces the other team to have a plan for EG. (All Tier 1 teams are required to, and that standard "plan" is pretty straight forward right now.) Newbee was prepared and won. It's what happens when you run the anti-EG strategy against "standard" EG. (Though I'm still pretty sure the CM pick was a resignation that he'd already lost the draft and knew it. He really should have picked Lion as their 3rd pick.) Game 2 is where we saw things change. EG rolled out a pretty different set of heroes and a different approach. That game was on a knife's edge late, as it really ended up coming down to 1-2 swings on the Egg. Both teams know how close it was (and just how high-level the Dota was). If they face up again, things will look fairly different, as both sides have new wrinkles to watch out for. I don't think just by those 1-2 hits and crack the egg will make EG won the game they still might lose the battle with all three cores of NB alive and well, plus buy backs on invoker and weaver even if they do won that battle, it still does not guarentee they gonna take the game at best they will make NB fall back and regroup with 1-2 death on their team, just like NB ussually do, minimize damage EG fanboys are very delusional to think the "if" of the 1 more hit on the egg they gonna win EPICENTER and TI6,7,8 NB team fight, coordination, shot calling is just on another level, its not just 1 more hit on the egg the only NB weakness is their draft, the don't seem to do any "counter" draft or ready for pocket pick like huskar I still think Secret totally outdraft them in the 2nd game, NB just force the composure out of secret player by playing stable and safe | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On May 11 2016 14:31 ch33psh33p wrote: if eg beats secret today i'll believe you otherwise back to the dumpster with the na boys. Yeah back to the dumpster to join secret  | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On May 11 2016 14:49 Vertical wrote: I don't think just by those 1-2 hits and crack the egg will make EG won the game they still might lose the battle with all three cores of NB alive and well, plus buy backs on invoker and weaver even if they do won that battle, it still does not guarentee they gonna take the game at best they will make NB fall back and regroup with 1-2 death on their team, just like NB ussually do, minimize damage EG fanboys are very delusional to think the "if" of the 1 more hit on the egg they gonna win EPICENTER and TI6,7,8 NB team fight, coordination, shot calling is just on another level, its not just 1 more hit on the egg the only NB weakness is their draft, the don't seem to do any "counter" draft or ready for pocket pick like huskar I still think Secret totally outdraft them in the 2nd game, NB just force the composure out of secret player by playing stable and safe Good response until you botched it at the end. As for the Egg, the Naga would have been on buyback and Invoker was likely dead as well. (Not sure if Weaver had Time Lapse up.) EG would have let their supports respawn and then forced out further buybacks/taken some rax. It wasn't an auto-win from that point, but it was going to be a very painful hold by Newbee. And, while it's really hard to watch during a cast, the Vision Wars among top-level teams is always fascinating. Getting the jump is just so important. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
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Nedereden
777 Posts
On May 11 2016 14:20 Taf the Ghost wrote: You don't understand what Peter does. I find it annoying what he does, sometimes, but it works for a reason. In Game 1, they did a "standard EG" draft. Gives away little of what they're really thinking this tournament & establishes a set of heroes. Further, it forces the other team to have a plan for EG. (All Tier 1 teams are required to, and that standard "plan" is pretty straight forward right now.) Newbee was prepared and won. It's what happens when you run the anti-EG strategy against "standard" EG. (Though I'm still pretty sure the CM pick was a resignation that he'd already lost the draft and knew it. He really should have picked Lion as their 3rd pick.) Game 2 is where we saw things change. EG rolled out a pretty different set of heroes and a different approach. That game was on a knife's edge late, as it really ended up coming down to 1-2 swings on the Egg. Both teams know how close it was (and just how high-level the Dota was). If they face up again, things will look fairly different, as both sides have new wrinkles to watch out for. Im triggered. Are you guys for real? - Do you really believe that Pros at this level play for anything less that wining outright?? Its one thing to rationalize a teams inferiority if youre a fangay, but its a whole other ballgame to put drivel like this out in the public domain. - FYI the egg made little difference. If you noticed Naga was tping onto weaver there and with naga and weaver + illusions Vs both half strength heroes(Naix & Alch without rage & ulti respectively), they wud have melted irrespective of egg stun or ray. Dire supports were also around to ensure this. It was just a SuFAIL to not disengage the moment egg started. That is the only play thatd have saved both of them...maybe... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Watch from ~10:40 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Try and acknowledge NBs roflstomp in both games despite the draft inferiority(IMO) in Game 2. For the west only acknowledging NBs superiority, actively getting better and outdrafting them will ensure any modicum of success againt em in the future. In my mind there are only 3 captains out there who can hope to outdraft Kaka's genius -Puppan, KuroKy and PPD - so more power to them. And I can assure you that they (unlike their fangays) have acknowledgded the outplays and are actively working on stopping the NB juggernaut! GLHF | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On May 11 2016 15:02 Taf the Ghost wrote: Good response until you botched it at the end. As for the Egg, the Naga would have been on buyback and Invoker was likely dead as well. (Not sure if Weaver had Time Lapse up.) EG would have let their supports respawn and then forced out further buybacks/taken some rax. It wasn't an auto-win from that point, but it was going to be a very painful hold by Newbee. And, while it's really hard to watch during a cast, the Vision Wars among top-level teams is always fascinating. Getting the jump is just so important. I hate theorycrafting but 1. Naga already bought back, so he's fresh 2. Correct at best EG will pull back and wait support to respawn 3. I don't think Invoker will melt just like that, it could but I wont give any certainty like you do, NB always minimize dmg, it is very very rare for them to be team wiped or let alone lost 3 cores 4. If EG force by back then they will not have any rax, remember Alch also do not have buy back 5. if you watch Newbee vs Secret then you know painful hold is not enough to bring down newbee just watched it again secret vs NB, 2 clutch decision from NB is 1. 58:30 when Secret wants to gank the relocating back Wisp + Aurel. NB counter initiates that play a prime example how NB saves their carry from doom by skin of the teeth, then reengage back into battle 2. 67.00 the most game decider decision is right after a (un)successful high ground defence NB offensively relocate to chase the retreating secret that is ultimately game ending decision by NB, most team will be satisfied by just surviving the siege I call it unsuccessful because basically although Secret is pulling back, they already bait 3 buy backs but the reaction NB have after is the game changer but still NB won't as far as winning TI6 with these plays almost every 2nd game they looked like dropping some performance secret and EG put them to the edge in game 2 even CoL in game 2 push NB to their limit | ||
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Nedereden
777 Posts
Embrace the dankness. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
They played surprisingly well yesterday taking a game off Liquid. | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
On May 11 2016 15:20 Nedereden wrote: - FYI the egg made little difference. If you noticed Naga was tping onto weaver there and with naga and weaver + illusions Vs both half strength heroes(Naix & Alch without rage & ulti respectively), they wud have melted irrespective of egg stun or ray. Dire supports were also around to ensure this. It was just a SuFAIL to not disengage the moment egg started. That is the only play thatd have saved both of them...maybe... I disagree! Because the egg went off, they had to deal with the 2.5s stun AND, maybe more important, the Sun Ray! They had around 1/3 to 1/2 health. Much to go through for the heroes of NB, if the HP-based Sun Ray wasn't there! Especially with Armlet-Toggle. Not to mention they would have hit back big time! Weaver had an AC, but would have melted to Alch and Lifestealer! It was a close call. That's DotA for you! | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On May 11 2016 15:20 Nedereden wrote: Im triggered. Are you guys for real? - Do you really believe that Pros at this level play for anything less that wining outright?? Its one thing to rationalize a teams inferiority if youre a fangay, but its a whole other ballgame to put drivel like this out in the public domain. - FYI the egg made little difference. If you noticed Naga was tping onto weaver there and with naga and weaver + illusions Vs both half strength heroes(Naix & Alch without rage & ulti respectively), they wud have melted irrespective of egg stun or ray. Dire supports were also around to ensure this. It was just a SuFAIL to not disengage the moment egg started. That is the only play thatd have saved both of them...maybe... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=112eXgRMcjw Watch from ~10:40 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Try and acknowledge NBs roflstomp in both games despite the draft inferiority(IMO) in Game 2. For the west only acknowledging NBs superiority, actively getting better and outdrafting them will ensure any modicum of success againt em in the future. In my mind there are only 3 captains out there who can hope to outdraft Kaka's genius -Puppan, KuroKy and PPD - so more power to them. And I can assure you that they (unlike their fangays) have acknowledgded the outplays and are actively working on stopping the NB juggernaut! GLHF very true EG fangays were so salty that the egg hatched, they forget EG still have to fight 3v2 even without phoenix with Naix and Alch only have half HP, and Kael & Weaver still have 80% HP and Siren still at full HP On May 11 2016 15:44 Geisterkarle wrote: I disagree! Because the egg went off, they had to deal with the 2.5s stun AND, maybe more important, the Sun Ray! They had around 1/3 to 1/2 health. Much to go through for the heroes of NB, if the HP-based Sun Ray wasn't there! Especially with Armlet-Toggle. Not to mention they would have hit back big time! Weaver had an AC, but would have melted to Alch and Lifestealer! It was a close call. That's DotA for you! at best EG will have naix dead and alch running away, so its a 4 man wipe and NB will go highground to force buy back (not sure if roshan have respawned). please note full HP illusion items Siren already on the premises whether the egg hatched/cracked. the best thing EG could have is a reset, not winning the game as what the fangays claiming | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
if alliance lose here, are they back to the dumpster? | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
NewBee picks we've mostly seen before. Secret and EG not so much. G2 secret is first pick dazzle and last pick huskar and G2 EG is just Alch strat things. We're going to see some churn in the ban/pick stage. The relocate fight after holding high ground by NewBee was balls. Also a tale of two mids. G2 Secret was RTZ getting lost in NewBee base. G2 EG was Sumail getting lost in Dire Jungle. | ||
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